Mike and Trish
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DelCamper wrote:Fwzziwig
No oil is used for electrical generation. They switched from oil to coal and now to natural gas. Both 6 oil (bunker C to you old salts) and #2 (which is like gold) has not been used for decades.
Yeah, um ... not quite true. See this.
"Always," "never," "none," "all" ... these are words that too-easily trip up an otherwise-valid argument. Natural gas is indeed catching up to coal (though that's partly a function of currently low nat gas prices), and there is very little (but not zero) oil used for generation these days.
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tomman58
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How accurate do you think those cut off switches in the gas nozzles are? I mean if you are tring to see how much gas you are using and don't want to fill to the brim (diesel this doesn't matter because it won't over flow).
What do you think a quart, pint, oz. ?
Just wondering. Michigan diesel North $4.14 to $4.09
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It must be time to go, the suns out and I've got a full tank of diesel!
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DelCamper
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Point taken.
As part of the debate being solar power will displace oil used to generate electricity my claim is valid. We started up our gas turbine on oil running it for 15 minuets before switching to NG. Some remote location peaking gas turbines may use oil because nothing else is available. The use of oil is insignificant in electrical generation.
Basically "never say never".
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tomman58
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LindsayRichards wrote:When the federal subsidies soon run out the wind industry can not survive. It is all about the subsidies which are about 70 times per megawatt generated the tax cuts given to oil and gas.
Link below shows a RV wind turbine that generates 400 watts in a 28 mph wind. This still won't run a coffee maker. It cost $1300. No way for an AC. A some point people have just got to face it, that this stuff isn't ready for prime time.
Realizing the state of alternatives doesn't make you anti alternatives, it just make you a realist. I plan on buying the first alternative on my block when they make sense, but now they don't.
http://www.earthtechproducts.com/air-breeze-marine-wind-turbine-boats.html
Well before 2008s stimulus there were hundreds and thousands of wind mills in the USA. Do you "really" think these were put up to lose money? There was one put up earlier by the big Mac bridge and 4 or 5 years later the first had made enough to buy a second one. In the thumb of Michigan there have been hundreds of mills there for years and guess what the farmers are dragging in big cash for leaseing the land. Time to rethink your statements.
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LindsayRichards
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Quote:Do you "really" think these were put up to lose money?
Nope, they were put up to take advantage of the huge federal subsidies. Without these subsidies, the power generated is worth less than the cost of the capital to pay them off. Right now the cost to generate electricity from wind in a great location is about 3 times plus the cost to produce the same power via natural gas. Please post information about the ones you say are profitable without the subsidies. I'd love to see the information and you would love to show me to be wrong. I wish it was, I'd have one myself. I gave you a link to a personal windmill for home use. Their phone number is listed and they accept major credit cards. Why not buy one yourself? $1300 for 600 watts at 28 mph. Let us know how it works out please.
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tomman58
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LindsayRichards wrote:Quote:Do you "really" think these were put up to lose money?
Nope, they were put up to take advantage of the huge federal subsidies. Without these subsidies, the power generated is worth less than the cost of the capital to pay them off. Right now the cost to generate electricity from wind in a great location is about 3 times plus the cost to produce the same power via natural gas. Please post information about the ones you say are profitable without the subsidies. I'd love to see the information and you would love to show me to be wrong. I wish it was, I'd have one myself. I gave you a link to a personal windmill for home use. Their phone number is listed and they accept major credit cards. Why not buy one yourself? $1300 for 600 watts at 28 mph. Let us know how it works out please.
Thank You.
As I stated these were put in "prior" to any subsidies!
Article today on lower CO2 because of PHs going to NG. A good thing also!
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LindsayRichards
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Are you under the impression that wind power subsidies started in 2008? By the way, most of the rest of the world is build coal fired power plants at a rapid pace. China is building one a week. All of the world's air gets mixed together and the CO2 is basically the same world wide. Unfortunately it is presently illegal in the US to compress natural gas for export to other countries. Doing so would be a huge boon to our economy thanks to horizontal drilling and fracking.
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Hmmm, several stations have lowered their prices by 2ยข a gallon from $3.89 to $3.87. Wonderful.....
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And now we here rumblings of a release from the strategic petroleum reserve. I guess the key word here would be "strategic." Not a good idea right now. The country might need it for its intended purpose if Israel strikes Iran.
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LindsayRichards
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What I don't understand that releasing the reserves is supposed to reduce the price of gasoline, but drilling for more oil or putting in the Keystone XL pipeline is said to have affect. Both increase supply, Why do people say one helps and one has no affect? Makes no sense.
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