chasfm11
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jeff929 wrote:With no reform school
That was the part that made the least sense. What could you possibly hope to "reform" in a 6 year old kid who was just over-enthusiastic about being a Cub Scout and having a neat new device to show for it?
There are some kids who are "street savvy" at an early age, understanding weapons and what to do with them. This little guy wasn't one of them.
While the school board rescinded the stupid policy, their amendment only half solved the problem. They just advanced the age at which the stupidity could be applied.
One of the purposes of school is to help kids improve their judgment by providing them insight in laws and history (values, another important point of that judgment is best left for families to provide.) Expecting a 6 year old kid to show good judgment (and suffer the consequences of he doesn't) undermines the whole premise of education, IMHO.
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I understand it was a fork and spoon but it was also a pocket knife. I have kids that same age and in no way would let them play with a pocket knife, let alone take it to school. Do any parents take responsibility for the kids anymore.
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blessdx11
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I also have kids the same age, and they do indeed have pocket knives (we do require them to be about 12 before we buy them K-Bars). I do take responsibility for my kids and that is why they know how to safely use them.
Schools have such idiotic policies covering just about everything - would move out of the country before subjecting my kids to such stupidity 
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Vakeel wrote:If you don't like the rule, then you go and try to change the rule. You don't whine about it after you get caught breaking it, and assume everyone who is simply enforcing the rule they told you about before hand is a moron, because you either cannot understand the rule, cannot follow the rule or do not like the rule.
In plain English: Zero tolerance means what it says.
As for common sense: It comes into play with you as a parent at your home. If you want to buy your child a knife, that is fine. But, have enough common sense to teach him/her about the rule of not taking it to school. Have enough common sense to realize that you should monitor your child because he or she is a child and may not listen to you. And finally, have enough common sense to realize that if you do not do both of the above and your kid gets expelled because he/she took the knife to the school, it is no one else's fault but yours!
And no, I am not a teacher or a school administrator. Just a parent with a kid in a school who realizes the times now are different than the times when we all grew up. If you don't believe me, just look at the CNN headline today about the three kids who deliberately lit another kid on fire because the kid owed them $40 and told the police when they stole his dad's bike!
EVERY generation says "times are different now than...". Zero Tolerance means, ditch the Constitution and Bill of Rights and "Show me your papers, please!" The PC issues discussed here are roof positive that it's time to stand up and privatize our schools while we still have legs!
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dennisieckert
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Bring back the good old days when every kid had a pocket knife. The kids with switch blades got suspended. You could also go hunting before or after school and leave your gun on the gun rack of your truck. Dennis
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I was talking to my boy about this when it was on the news.. He is 6 and in 1st grade.
He said you cannot have a knife at school. That's why they give you a spork.
He has a little pocket knife Grandpa gave him. makes me wonder..
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blessdx11 wrote:I also have kids the same age, and they do indeed have pocket knives (we do require them to be about 12 before we buy them K-Bars). I do take responsibility for my kids and that is why they know how to safely use them.
Schools have such idiotic policies covering just about everything - would move out of the country before subjecting my kids to such stupidity
While I can't comment on Montana, unfortunately in California I'm not allowed to create my own "school policies" in regards to bringing a knife to school. The California Educational Code (law) states that if someone brings a knife, gun or other dangerous item, then that warrants a suspension. Now the number of days is determined by the site and administrator. And age, prior suspensions and circumstances are always taken into account. But I am speaking for myself. Now if it is brandished, then expulsion is the required outcome.
In regards to how the situation was handled,I will agree that the consequence was over the top. What I find unfortunate, and I guess surprising to see in a forum where most topics and posters tend to be supportive and helpful of one another, is the amount of bashing and labeling of ALL administrators and educators into the same group based on the actions of the administration in this situation.
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For show and tell in pre-school my son brought in a kaliedescope that had a pull trigger on the end to make it easier for little kids to look at it and move the part on the end. The teacher took it away from him and said they have a zero tolerance for guns at school. It wasn't even shaped like a gun. It was clearly a kaliedescope. Pretty crazy. He cried so hard that day because they took that thing away from him and isnsisted it was a gun. He was 4 and knew the difference!
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DanJoan
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Schools are SUPPSOSED to teach young people how think and have proper deducting skills. Obviously public schools are unable to teach creative thinking skills. If I continue I'll get deleted so.......
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Vakeel wrote:If you don't like the rule, then you go and try to change the rule. You don't whine about it after you get caught breaking it, and assume everyone who is simply enforcing the rule they told you about before hand is a moron, because you either cannot understand the rule, cannot follow the rule or do not like the rule.
In plain English: Zero tolerance means what it says.
As for common sense: It comes into play with you as a parent at your home. If you want to buy your child a knife, that is fine. But, have enough common sense to teach him/her about the rule of not taking it to school. Have enough common sense to realize that you should monitor your child because he or she is a child and may not listen to you. And finally, have enough common sense to realize that if you do not do both of the above and your kid gets expelled because he/she took the knife to the school, it is no one else's fault but yours!
And no, I am not a teacher or a school administrator. Just a parent with a kid in a school who realizes the times now are different than the times when we all grew up. If you don't believe me, just look at the CNN headline today about the three kids who deliberately lit another kid on fire because the kid owed them $40 and told the police when they stole his dad's bike!
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What makes you think that privatizing schools will make them tolerant of bringing knives and guns to school?
Yes, 50 years ago, you could bring a knife and/or gun to school - but guess what - there weren't school killings like Columbine back then. Rules have to be adjusted for the current climate. Unfortunately, this is the times we are dealing with. Kids used to bring fishin' poles too, so they could hit the pond on the way home from school - that isn't happening much any more either.
Was the punishment harsh? Probably...but NO TOLERANCE means NO TOLERANCE. If your children or yourselves cannot follow the rules, then maybe you should homeschool, where you can make up all the rules.
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