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JIMNLIN
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5000 mile oil changes ?? WOW. Haven't done that since the '70's.
All '03 to '07 HO Dodge/Cummins has a 7500/15000 mile oil change schedule.
How much more mpg's can a diesel get than a gasser. Much depends on the diesel. My truck in sig gets 21-21.5 mpg average on long highway commutes and averages 12-12.5 towing a 11200 gvwr 5er. All pencil figures over many tank averages.
Of the two brands mentioned the 6.6 DMAX gets the better mpgs on average when looking at their truck webs perspectivley.
The 6.0 GM is a smallblock so comparing it to the diesels is apples vs oranges. The 6.0 is very thirsty compared to the DMAX plus it doesn't have the big towing power of the DMAX.
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dave17352
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SoCalDesertRider wrote:All of those trucks have very high mileage for their ages and high prices too. I would not choose any of them.
Thats what I thought!
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Golden_HVAC
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mhawk4 wrote:A friend of mine wants to get a diesel truck to pull his TT. Today we looked at several trucks all crew cab like he wants them, here is the list
2005 f350 dually fx4 lariat 168k $18,900 This will have a cargo rating of about 5000 pounds. I would not want it, because of problems with the truck just being worn out, things like steering joints, transmission seals, steering box getting worn out, that kind of thing that might happen at 200,000 miles, a short 40,000 miles away.
2005 2500 chevy duramax 4x4 120k $19,900 This will have a cargo rating of about 2,000 pounds.
2004 2500 chevy duramax 2wd 113k This will have a cargo rating of about 2,000 pounds.$17,900
2004 f350 not dually fx4 lariat 108k This will have a cargo rating of about 1,900 pounds. This truck's GVWR is only 9,900 pounds, and the empty truck is about 8,000 if it is 4 wheel drive.$18,900
2002 f250 7.3 lariat 4x4 188k $16,900 This will have a cargo rating of about pounds. This will have a cargo rating of about 875 pounds. GVWR is really low, and still about 8,000 pounds empty.
2006 f250 2wd 120k $22,900 This one has the highest GVWR of all the single rear wheel trucks, and should carry about 3,000 pounds. While still a little higher mileage than I would like to see, for this price, I guess the dealers are going to ask a $5,000 premium for the diesel engine.
My questions are,
How much more mileage can i get from a diesel vs a gas truck?
we looked at a 2004 chevy 2500 6.0 gas with less miles than all of them and it was priced at $13000, why so much difference?
My wife and i would like to have a diesel truck also but right now i will keep my v10 xcursion (for a few long years), but if i decide to buy a diesel now like my friend is doing what should i look for?
I know about body conditions , tires, etc.. but i do not know so much about diesel.
What do you think?
Personally I would rather have the gas engine, and pay the little extra for fuel each month, instead of $100 more on each monthly car payment for the next 5 years. I also like that the gas engine is quieter, less expensive to get an oil change, and no twice a year $100 fuel filters.
I put about 50,000 miles on my motorhome in 14 years, and am very glad I did not get a diesel. Oil change is about $35. Call a dealer and ask the price of the diesel engine change. Ask for the cost of a fuel filter too. Be sure to carry one with you when you drive anyplace, because if you get "Tanked" and get a tank of poor quality fuel with lots of bacteria in it, the engine will drop in horsepower, and require a new fuel filter in 1 tank of bad fuel.
How long do you plan on keeping the pickup? If you can keep them for 10 years, then they do last a long time, but the gas engine will also last 20 years and 200,000 + miles. And you can replace the gas engine for a small amount of money, while the diesel is really expensive.
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OlderThanSand
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I have an 02 F250 7.3 Good truck but if I had it to do over again I would have gotten the V10. Cheaper to maintain, cheaper to buy, quieter.
Those prices seem high to me. I paid about the same for my 02 as the one you're looking at 2 years ago and mine has way less miles.
They say the best truck is one with the Dodge motor, Chevy trans and Ford body. Hope I find one ;-)
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turninghawk
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SoCalDesertRider wrote:All of those trucks have very high mileage for their ages and high prices too. I would not choose any of them.
I agree 100% (and I'm a dealer). Those prices are way too high considering the mileage on the vehicles. Has he tried AutoTrader.com? Search a reasonable mileage radius and I think he'll find some much better deals. Take it from me, you don't have to pay the prices you showed for diesels with that kind of mileage. Good luck to you (and him).
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DMax 08 crew. hard city 13 mpg, hwy 20mpg, tow 11000+ flat 10.4, hills 8 +.
01 v10 Ex, hard city 8.6mpg, hwy 10.6, tow 11000+ 6-7 flat mpg.
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Bumpyroad
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Golden_HVAC wrote:snip
Personally I would rather have the gas engine, and pay the little extra for fuel each month, instead of $100 more on each monthly car payment for the next 5 years. I also like that the gas engine is quieter, less expensive to get an oil change, and no twice a year $100 fuel filters.
and just because the engine will last 300,000 k, everything else will wear out before that.
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I agree - I've owned two Cummins ('01 & '07) and would have loved to still own one - but at a $7-$10K hit and higher diesel fuel prices (than gas) the payback just isn't there anymore...
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Lantley
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Bumpyroad wrote:Golden_HVAC wrote:snip
Personally I would rather have the gas engine, and pay the little extra for fuel each month, instead of $100 more on each monthly car payment for the next 5 years. I also like that the gas engine is quieter, less expensive to get an oil change, and no twice a year $100 fuel filters.
and just because the engine will last 300,000 k, everything else will wear out before that.
bumpy
This really depends on how much you camp/tow. I can sometimes save $100.00 per trip buying diesel vs. gas.
My last gas engine lasted almost 180K before everything was worn out. This is on a F 250 work truck that was run at max GVW every day of its life. My current diesel work truck will reach at least 300K before it is worn out. Again ran at max GVW everyday.
Finding that worn out point is relative to the life left in the engine. You will put a new trans or front end in a truck with a solid engine you will hesitate to invest in a tired engine.
I agree the new diesels with DPF are costing quite a bit more than gas versions. What is not being said is big block gassers are being eliminated leaving many no choice but to go diesel. The 8.1 is gone and the V-10 is leaving. Granted gearing and transmissions have improved but you cannot compare the towing performance of a small block gasser to a diesel. Comparing the price of a diesel to a small block is kind of pointless as well. They are just to different animals designed for different applications. If you are towing heavy and need a diesel a small block gasser will never do.
This price discussion is similar to discussing RV quality most consumers do not want to pay for a quality made RV. We are only willing to spend so much and suffer with the poor quality we see in most units.
The only advantage the gas engine has over the diesel is price.
The diesel is superior in every other category and at the end of the day you get what you pay for.
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Never seen a $100 fuel filter for a diesel pickup. I buy mine for my Cummins fron Geno's Garage for under $30.00 each and every 15,000 mile change. JMHO
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