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Posted By: Kiteboarder on 02/12/10 07:46pm

I am new and thinking about buying a used coach. What has a better build quality a fleetwood revolution 2004 40c or a holiday rambler 40ft scepter both same miles with 350 cummins?


Posted By: hershey on 02/12/10 08:15pm

One has to agree that the Holiday Rambler is considered a much higher end RV than a Fleetwood product. But after over 5 years of fulltiming in a Fleetwood Expedition I haven't had any issues with it other than a couple of converters and two leaky jacks.


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Posted By: The Texan on 02/12/10 08:17pm

They both would be about equal in build quality and materials. The Rev is built on the American Coach line and is not in the same league as other Fleetwood products under it. The Scepter is in the top 1/2 of the HR line up and is very good in both build quality and materials. You should be happy with either one.


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Posted By: steveownby on 02/12/10 08:36pm

I live full time in an '03 Monaco product so I am bias toward the Holiday Rambler. Go to this link: www.holidayrambler.com/products/productarchive/04scepter/scepter.html and check it against the Fleetwood. Then drive them both. The RR8S chassis under the Holiday Rambler is very roadworthy.

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Posted By: SunflyerA on 02/12/10 08:54pm

The Sceptor and the Revolution are very similar on the food chain. Fleetwood is still in business....might make a difference to you. I would go with the floor plan that best suited me.






Posted By: steveownby on 02/12/10 09:03pm

Monaco is also in business and offers tech support to owners of older coaches as does Fleetwood.

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Posted By: Fishinghat on 02/12/10 10:25pm

The Scepter is still being built by the new Monaco LLC. It was and still is a very good RV.


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Posted By: mblaster on 02/12/10 11:16pm

Both good rigs. I'd go over the specs, options, and overall condition of each rig vs the floorplan to determine which one I liked best. Basically go over each one with a fine toothed comb inside and out, top to bottom.


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Posted By: hottubkid on 02/12/10 11:43pm

Just hope I finished with the last problem on my 2004 fleetwood southwind. The sat dish has never worked. Didn't even try it till after the coach was over three years old. Never had sat. Ends up fleetwood put in a coxal cable from the switch box to the sat dish. I'm gussing that it was fourty feet long, with three inline connectors in it. I replaced it with about a 20 foot long cable but had to remove the tv, topsof two cabnets and then work on the roof. They also never put a battery in the sensor. At one point I had two or three type written pages on what was wrong. I bought this coach new and will never do that again. But, also don't want to deal with fleetwood's home office again. In fact they still owe me a window. I will get around to replacing it myself instead of dealing with fleetwood. Complained so much on the fleetwood forum that they didn't want me back. Think they only want to hear what is good with fleetwood. IF you want to hear more email me or PM me


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Posted By: southpark on 02/13/10 12:03am

I would get out there and drive them. I believe the '04 Rev had a Freightliner chassis. I would take the Roadmaster all day long between the two. JMO.


Posted By: Executive on 02/13/10 01:03am

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Posted By: caymann on 02/13/10 06:07am

SunflyerA wrote:

....Fleetwood is still in business....might make a difference to you....


Fleetwood is in business..but i thought they sold off their MH division, right?


Posted By: Johng on 02/13/10 06:12am

The Texan wrote:

They both would be about equal in build quality and materials. The Rev is built on the American Coach line and is not in the same league as other Fleetwood products under it. The Scepter is in the top 1/2 of the HR line up and is very good in both build quality and materials. You should be happy with either one.


Agree with the Texan, go for the floorplan your DW likes best.

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Posted By: jones4110 on 02/13/10 08:50am

caymann wrote:

SunflyerA wrote:

....Fleetwood is still in business....might make a difference to you....


Fleetwood is in business..but i thought they sold off their MH division, right?


Sold off motorhome division now known as FleetwoodRV and they are debt free and hiring Decator employees back. And they stood behind existing warranties. End of story!


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Posted By: Buck62 on 02/13/10 09:17am

The 2004 Revolution should have a Freightliner chassis and I am not sure which line it was built on. The LE's have the same Spartan chassis as the American Coach and is built on the American Coach assembly line. Fleetwood originally was going to introduce the LE's as entry level American Coach but decided to put it under the Fleetwood brand. There is a Yahoo Revolution Owners group and you can go and ask what other owners think of their 2004. As others have said test drive both and get the one with the floorplan you like the best.


Posted By: Jack M. on 02/13/10 10:50am

Fleetwood Motorhomes is the number one ranking coach for 2009 with 18.2% of the market, and apparently has won the ranking 22 of the last 23 years. If the '04 Revolution is an 'LE' it has the optional, at that time, Liberty/Spartan chassis. All Revolutions have been built on the American Coach assembly line.


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Posted By: JFG on 02/13/10 11:06am

Between the two get the Scepter


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Posted By: boba on 02/13/10 01:20pm

i own and am very happy with our fleetwood. having said that either of the motorhomes you mention could be well or poorly maintained. if all is equal go with the floorplan that makes you happy


Posted By: malibufam on 02/13/10 02:11pm

SunflyerA wrote:

The Sceptor and the Revolution are very similar on the food chain. Fleetwood is still in business....might make a difference to you. I would go with the floor plan that best suited me.


Why do people keep saying that Monaco is out of business?


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Posted By: gonesouth on 02/16/10 09:05pm

malibufam wrote:

SunflyerA wrote:

The Sceptor and the Revolution are very similar on the food chain. Fleetwood is still in business....might make a difference to you. I would go with the floor plan that best suited me.


Why do people keep saying that Monaco is out of business?


Monaco went through Chapter 7 and sold all it's assets to Navistar, who then made a new company. The old Monaco was then wound up, and the old warranties are just some of the claims that went unsatisfied when it was wound up. This new company has restarted production, but they have specifically disavowed any warranty responsibility for rigs built by the old Monaco and initially, it seemed they would not even provide free tech support to 'old Monaco' owners. This has now been relaxed, and they are providing parts support and tech support, but some owners are still annoyed. Especially since the new Fleetwood company made a decision to honor past Fleetwood warranties.

I don't know the legal names of the various companies or I'd have used them, but that is the gist of it.


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Posted By: SunflyerA on 02/17/10 05:10pm

gonesouth wrote:

malibufam wrote:

SunflyerA wrote:

The Sceptor and the Revolution are very similar on the food chain. Fleetwood is still in business....might make a difference to you. I would go with the floor plan that best suited me.


Why do people keep saying that Monaco is out of business?


Monaco went through Chapter 7 and sold all it's assets to Navistar, who then made a new company. The old Monaco was then wound up, and the old warranties are just some of the claims that went unsatisfied when it was wound up. This new company has restarted production, but they have specifically disavowed any warranty responsibility for rigs built by the old Monaco and initially, it seemed they would not even provide free tech support to 'old Monaco' owners. This has now been relaxed, and they are providing parts support and tech support, but some owners are still annoyed. Especially since the new Fleetwood company made a decision to honor past Fleetwood warranties.

I don't know the legal names of the various companies or I'd have used them, but that is the gist of it.


The old Monaco may not have been managed particularly well, hence they went out of business. But they are the ones who built the coaches that are on the road now and they are the ones who developed the positive reputation that a Monaco coach enjoys. Navistar (as Monaco) is a new start up company and as of yet the quality and reputation are unknown. They are the ones, however, who are dithering on the workhorse brake problems....not a great start to a quality reputation. Are the new Monacos going to be built on the Road master chassis? I don't know, but if they are not, then the old and new Monaco will be very distant cousins.


Posted By: cmaserv on 02/17/10 05:22pm

Agree The Roadmaster chassis far superior to Freightliner. Rev's a nice coach and not same as lower end fleetwood products, but nicer Now with the Liberty Chassis under it..


Posted By: B Bob on 02/17/10 09:24pm

Some very good friends of ours have had two Holiday Rambler motor homes and speak very highly of them. We looked closely at Fleetwood motor homes a few months ago but they were 2008 models. We liked the Fleetwood floor plans a lot.

IMHO both of these are good rigs. So drive them. The one you feel the most comfortable with the fastest should get high marks. And as several other posters have added, your wife's opinion on floor plan should hold a lot of weight.

We drove a whole bunch of motor homes a few months back. What I found is that all of the ones 38' + drove well, or at least acceptably.


Posted By: bpassmore on 02/20/10 10:08pm

cmaserv wrote:

Agree The Roadmaster chassis far superior to Freightliner. Rev's a nice coach and not same as lower end fleetwood products, but nicer Now with the Liberty Chassis under it..


weird to hear this. The freightliner chassis is not second fiddle to anyone IMO.

Fleetwood makes a great product... so does monaco.


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