rgriley
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Are you aware in Ontario Canada 5th wheels weighing over 4600 KG ( approx 10,140 pounds) require Class A R for recreational vehiles..This came in effect in June 2008.Insurance companies are not honouring your truck insurance if you fail to have a Class A R drivers license.
For further information check the MTO site .
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RDSKNFN_57
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In california if you tow a travel trailer over 10,000 lbs. or fifth over 15,000 lbs you must have a class A license
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Trailer Trash 2
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RDSKNFN_57 wrote:In california if you tow a travel trailer over 10,000 lbs. or fifth over 15,000 lbs you must have a class A license
Class C with an endorcement, or a class A noncomercal, is what you ment wasn't it.
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balvert
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Actually the law requiring a Class A license when towing a trailer over 4600 kg has been in effect for many years. It is only recently that the MTO put 15 pages on their website specifically aimed at people pulling RVs. Which tells me they are likely to start enforcing this legislation. The R portion is new so that anyone getting a Class AR now is restricted to the size of rig used to take the test. There is another thread on this
HERE The R portion prevents people from going out and taking the test with a fifth wheel RV and just by getting the additional air brake endorsement, go out and drive transport trucks. I obtained my class A when I bought my current trailer a few years ago, but I have no restriction, although I don't have the air brake portion. I was hoping that they would lighten up on the medical requirements somewhat when they brought out the R version of the A licence but nothing so far. The A license requires a medical and road test every year after age 65 which will be a real pain.
By the way, you also need to license the truck for the combined weight of the truck and trailer if your trailer is over a 2,800 kg axle weight. Most fivers would fall over the trigger weight. MTO goes by the weight on the axles to determine the trailer weight. Again that law has been in place for some time now but most license offices don't seem to know it. My license fees went from $109 to over $400 annually.
And rgriley is probably right about the insurance coverage issue. Best check with your insurance company so you are not hung out to dry if you are involved in a collision.
Ontario drivers should read page three on this Insurance Newsletter
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As Casey stated, this is not new and you'll find it's the same (or almost) in just about every province. My Quebec permit has a 4500 kg vehicle limit except for motorhomes.
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I believe the 4500 kg on our class 5 Qc license refers only to the weight of the tow unit not the combined truck and trailer. At least that is what I was told bt the SQ.
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In Saskatchewan a class 1G license is required if the unit being towed (5th wheel) exceeds 4500Kg (10,000#)
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Greentreena
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In BC it is also 10 000 lbs. The basic requirment is endorsment #51 which involved as written test and a road test pulling the 5th.
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Jack_Diane_Freedom
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I was told by the Main MTO office in Toronto that police will not be pulling over heavy 5ers to check for the license. But if you are pulled over for any other reason or accident and do not have the 'A' or 'A R' then you would be considered an 'unlicensed driver' and not be allowed to leave with your trailer in tow. They also indicated that there would probably be insurance implications if one had an accident and the insurance company also took the stand that they were an 'unlicensed' driver for the combination. I got my Class A a few years ago as the 4600kg rule has been around for years.
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