kakampers
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Skylos...the only one "deluding" themselves here is you. We all know that an accident can happen at anytime. Having a reliable piece of equipment that can give me a "heads up" concerning a situation that might cause that accident, in my opinion, is a very good financial decision...regardless of what you think!
As for the TPMS having systems for self-test...yes it does...If you'd investigated it a little you'd know that. It will even let me know when the batteries are low and need replacing...so much for your theory!
My check list does include checking tire pressures prior to leaving...that's the very first thing we check...using the Pressure Pro TPMS. It's easy to tell that it's working properly because temperature variations cause the pressure to rise and fall...cold in the morning, pressure is at the set-point which is established when installed...pressure rises as tires and temps heat up! Each tire is set separately and can be checked easily by removing sensor for five minutes and replacing. A 10% drop in pressure will immediately trigger an alarm...that's how I knew I had a slow leak
I'm really glad you feel that the TPMS isn't a good financial decision for you, however, your constant put down of those of us who do is childish. As for it not saving me money...believe me it has. Like not having to replace a shredded tire, because it gave me an early warning when I picked up the screw, and was able to repair the tire instead of replacing it.
As far as I'm concerned it is insurance...insurance against most catastrophic tire failures, which saves me time, money and frustration. JMHO!
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skylos
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We'll never know who is right, Kakampers, until we see the 'amount of money spent on insurance claims because of tire failures preventable by tpms' vs. 'cost of installing and maintaining tpms systems in all those insured vehicles'
Don't count on the insurance companies coughing that up any time soon.
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jetboater454
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Well I learned one thing in this forum,if I was to buy,or already have a tire pressure monitoring system....I ain't telling anyone 
"If momma not happy  ....Who cares.I have my TH AND my toys  .
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JIMNLIN
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jetboater454 wrote:Well I learned one thing in this forum,if I was to buy,or already have a tire pressure monitoring system....I ain't telling anyone
LOL. Ain't that the truth. It doesn't make any difference what aftermarket product or a option is mentioned or the owner just brags on it we always have the "snake oil" type comments from those that have never used the product or don't want to.
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kakampers
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skylos wrote:We'll never know who is right, Kakampers, until we see the 'amount of money spent on insurance claims because of tire failures preventable by tpms' vs. 'cost of installing and maintaining tpms systems in all those insured vehicles'
Don't count on the insurance companies coughing that up any time soon.
I wouldn't bet on that...I believe it will eventually go the way of the "alarm system" for theft. Insurance companies will eventually start offering discounts for the use of TPMS...again, JMHO. All it will take is one simple question during the "accident/claim interview" where tire problems are involved...,i.e., "were you using a TPMS?"...
If it does...guess what we'll all be saving more money on vehicle insurance!!!
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skylos
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The discounts are small enough that you need other motivation than the discount alone to justify the purchase of the item - is certainly true for car alarms. The portion of your insurance that amortizes theft rates is small compared to the cost of an alarm. Is no doubt true for tpms, as the cost of the system is a sizable portion of the annual premium. I'm betting the insurance company spends orders of magnitude more on liability payments and damage from overhead and sideswipe collision payments than they do in tire failure damage payments.
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Gadget Guy
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skylos wrote:I do know that the one time I did have a blowout on a trailer, I noticed. It suddenly felt wrong. I stopped to see what was up? Sidewall shreds were attached to one of the rims.
I am seconds from possible crash, rollover and death every second I'm driving at speed on a freeway in a tall vehicle. If you think you're not, you're fooling yourself. Just grab the wheel and spin it hard either direction at 60mph, see what happens. The difference between "driving on the freeway" and "driving on the freeway with a big trailer behind me" doesn't rate that much higher a risk to my view. I have to pay attention to my equipment and drive in a way that matches my risk tolerance to the risk exposure.
Is your checklist missing the "Check tire pressure before leaving campground" line? If so, perhaps it should be revised? That is the one time that you have no excuse whatsoever for not knowing that your tires are leaking.
Anyway, I'm glad you think its so awesome you spent the money on the TPMS. Its entirely happy to be happy with a bad financial investment or risk anaysis due to other factors than its financial returns - like emotional comfort. And you can pay for emotional comfort, that is entirely legitimate. Its just not a financial investment, its an emotional one. So call it an emotional investment with potential secondary financial side effects. Just don't call it insurance.
What levels of self-test and failure analysis are available in the TPMS system? In order to be assured of its proper operation it needs to show that it can detect the transition to low pressure state. (for instance, what if its stuck in the 'OK' mode?) I imagine you'd need to drain enough air from each tire to trigger the TPMS feedback, then refill it to the proper level and once again get the proper TPMS feedback. Yes it detects that you lost pressure and yes it returns to normal. Then you can be relatively sure that it will function in the actual scenario. (unless its freshly stuck or the battery died)
I can wonder how the risk factors change over time as you go longer without testing the system for proper operation. It would be an interesting analysis.
Skylos
One thing that is plainly obvious from your comments is that you know absolutely nothing about the Pressure Pro system and how it works.
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skylos
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Thats awesome gadget guy, thanks for being so informative about how it works.
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fpresto
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skylos - Not only do you know nothing about TPMS especially the Pressure Pro system, it is obvious that you have no desire to know. A simple search on Goggle or any other search engine will give you a wealth of knowledge.
I assume you are aware, or maybe not, that the Federal Government has mandated that all new cars, trucks, multipurpose vehicles and buses weighing 10,000 lbs or less have a TPMS. Of course if you buy a new vehicle I am sure that you will disconnect yours.
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masterblaster3261 wrote:... Also if a bearing was going bad tire would be warmer and help you catch that also if the system you ran monitored temperature.
Excellent point that hadn't occurred to me. I had a bearing go bad on my camper 3-4 years ago. Thinking back on it, it had been going bad the night before but I was driving through Denver and blamed the smoke on water. (It had rained a little earlier.) So I drove through Denver and Colorado Springs at 65 mph or more with a wheel that was ready to fly off and kill someone in the oncoming lanes. I discovered it the next morning near Pueblo, and as soon as I tried to back it up, the wheel popped off.
That was a Saturday morning, and we couldn't find anyone who could fix it before the next Monday, so we ended up buying a whole new camper and continued on to Tucson. Before we got back to Pueblo we blew a tire on the new camper.
I don't have a tire monitoring system, but it's on my want list.
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