Corkey05
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I had the same situation on my Admiral. Now that I have the Endeavor with Air ride I can see a big difference in leveling. The spring ride starts leveling at ride height, it can only go up from there to level. For the air ride, I (we) drop air first lowering the coach very close to the ground, then level. With the air ride, leveling usually winds up somewhere close to ride height only level.
So, the answers you get will vary quite a bit depending on the leveling process.
But like you said, manual always works, and it did work better for me on the Admiral spring ride, much better.
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I have manual HWH so can't compare with automatic. Manual works well and is pretty fast. My only issue is that the level light on the unit don't seem to consistently indicate level properly. I have wondered if it is flexing of the frame or just a poor level indication. Having my MH for nine years I haven't bothered to look into it further so it must be one of those minor issues.
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texasbaskets
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MI Director wrote:HWH and manual always since thats the way the system was made. Start with the front first then the back.
Not always.
I don't know about them all, but if you have the Bi-Axis HWH levelers (the ones that travel in pairs), when necessary, you level side to side first then front to back always starting with the lowest side or end which mimics the automatic system.
 
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Sully2 wrote:If you use manual leveling and you ARE actually level...with no wheels off the ground...then the automatic method should do exactly the same or else it isnt working properly. Level..is Level..period.
But, one could be level at "x" height AND level at "x + y" height.
Where I park in our driveway, there is a slight slope down to the front. When using the AUTO function, the system puts down the front jacks and raises the front to the point of level, THEN puts down the rear jacks, so as soon as the rear raises, the front is now low again. It hen has to raise the front more to get it level AGAIN, higher than before.
The AUTO system logic starts with the front, but if I manually start with the rear, I can drop the rear jacks just enough to make contact, then raise the front ONCE enough to attain level at a lower overall height.
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DDinCincy wrote:The AUTO system logic starts with the front, but if I manually start with the rear, I can drop the rear jacks just enough to make contact, then raise the front ONCE enough to attain level at a lower overall height.
That's my beef with the auto system. It doesn't seem to recognize or accept just making contact with the ground as an acceptable position for any of the jacks.
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Yeh I went to the bubble-level thing early on as well. The LED indicators can be calibrated, but spending a few bucks at WW and sticking them on was much more painless than crawling around dinking with the controller. Always works and no worries since.
I think that some auto systems (not air levelers) get fooled too often, which is why it gets you too high. The sensors can't send a wait-a-sec-reset message like our brain and senses can. So it continues to correct in the same directions. That is why as one said yep, x+y is also level. Since the first trip or three, I've been a manual dude also.
Regarding front or back first, etc. If you have a four-point system I think you always want to level sides first. They will only work in pairs. Then do the front or back that's low. Lastly do the opposite of front-back to get the 4th jack to the ground.
When being given my "check-out" way back, the boob at the RV dealer said always back down first. Absolutely not true on this rig. Surmised later he must have been told on a three-point system like Monaco used. He didn't know better. I know it's more fun not to, but yes, sometimes, RTFM.
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Corkey05
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Steve, my 08 Endeavor (Monaco) three point system is front first, then back (side to side, then front again to finish.
After air is dropped the rear can't do side to side unless the front raises the coach from the suspension stops first, creating a pivot for the rears to work. It's good logic, and I'm glad the systems are kept as simple as possible and still get to a somewhat level condition. Less to go wrong that way, but sometimes we don't get true benefit from the auto, and manual prevails.
The four point system on my 05 and 07 Admiral (Monaco) was in reality a three point system working the same way. The front two jacks are fed from the same hydraulic line, and work together, not independently.
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Sully2 wrote:
If you use manual leveling and you ARE actually level...with no wheels off the ground...then the automatic method should do exactly the same or else it isnt working properly. Level..is Level..period.
Sully,
I would have thought so. What happens is essentially what DDinCincy stated. When it starts it sets the front jacks onto the ground then stops and sets the rear jacks onto the ground afterwhich it starts the actual leveling process. When it levels it seems to do it in fairly big chunks that then requires the system to match it.
It seems to act with more acute adjustments when the campsite is quite less than level to begin with.
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texasbaskets wrote:MI Director wrote:HWH and manual always since thats the way the system was made. Start with the front first then the back.
Not always.
I don't know about them all, but if you have the Bi-Axis HWH levelers (the ones that travel in pairs), when necessary, you level side to side first then front to back always starting with the lowest side or end which mimics the automatic system.
Same with my HWH on both my Winnebago MH's. Side's first then front to rear.
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I use both when the auto is set correctly it is great when it falls out of level then you need to reset it and that, in my case is a manual reset. A couple things I have found over the years is that; -- the level never lies -- but then in our coach neither does the water closet door. If when we set up and think it's level the door to the WC will sit still in every position, this along with the level is the easiest test to be sure you are level.
Generally, I have found that the auto-level gets out of level after 5-6 setting and will need to be reset, as long as you get it reset correctly it will be great.
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