Yahooligan
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MH4Two wrote:
Another note about "Upgrading" if you use an upgrade version of Win7, and you ever have to re-install Win7, you must install and activate your previous qualifying version first, and then re-install Win 7. It used to be that you merely had to enter the old license number for a re-install, but not now, must re-install and activate online your old OS first.
There's actually a trick you can do that works with both Vista and Win 7 where you can do a clean install of either by using the Upgrade media AND product key. It's perfectly legal and silently "supported" by MS. 
The steps are:
1) Boot the Upgrade CD
2) Do a custom or new install but DO NOT enter the product/license key, tell it you'll activate later.
3) After the install completes and your system is running, still NOT activated, insert the Upgrade CD and "upgrade" your fresh install to the same version.
4) After "upgrading" and rebooting you'll activate the OS, which will be flagged in the OS as an upgrade and not clean install.
I've done this with Vista and the same method applies to Win 7. The EULA doesn't say that you have to upgrade from an older or different version of Windows, it simply states it has to be an upgrade, which could be from Vista to Vista or Win7 to Win7. 
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DoubleClutcher
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Yahooligan wrote:MH4Two wrote:
Another note about "Upgrading" if you use an upgrade version of Win7, and you ever have to re-install Win7, you must install and activate your previous qualifying version first, and then re-install Win 7. It used to be that you merely had to enter the old license number for a re-install, but not now, must re-install and activate online your old OS first.
There's actually a trick you can do that works with both Vista and Win 7 where you can do a clean install of either by using the Upgrade media AND product key. It's perfectly legal and silently "supported" by MS.
The steps are:
1) Boot the Upgrade CD
2) Do a custom or new install but DO NOT enter the product/license key, tell it you'll activate later.
3) After the install completes and your system is running, still NOT activated, insert the Upgrade CD and "upgrade" your fresh install to the same version.
4) After "upgrading" and rebooting you'll activate the OS, which will be flagged in the OS as an upgrade and not clean install.
I've done this with Vista and the same method applies to Win 7. The EULA doesn't say that you have to upgrade from an older or different version of Windows, it simply states it has to be an upgrade, which could be from Vista to Vista or Win7 to Win7.
I knew there was a reason I started this thread in the first place. That's a good one! I have several other older pieces of software that work with variations of this. Thanks!
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Chris Bryant
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strollin wrote:
VM software has been around for years but XP Mode is more tightly integrated into Win 7 to make it more seamless with better performance.
That can be a good thing, or a bad thing- with normal VM software, it is trivial to take a snapshot and restore, plus a virus/trojan/malware, et. al. has zero affect on the host OS. Win7 *may* integrate XP too much in XP mode.
The way I use XP under Virtualbox, I have the XP task bar at the bottom of the screen, my main OS task bar at the top, and any XP application I want to run simply shows up as a standard window. The only caveat is in moving files between host and VM- I have to use a special folder which shows up in both OSs.
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Yahooligan
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Chris Bryant wrote:strollin wrote:
VM software has been around for years but XP Mode is more tightly integrated into Win 7 to make it more seamless with better performance.
That can be a good thing, or a bad thing- with normal VM software, it is trivial to take a snapshot and restore, plus a virus/trojan/malware, et. al. has zero affect on the host OS. Win7 *may* integrate XP too much in XP mode.
The way I use XP under Virtualbox, I have the XP task bar at the bottom of the screen, my main OS task bar at the top, and any XP application I want to run simply shows up as a standard window. The only caveat is in moving files between host and VM- I have to use a special folder which shows up in both OSs.
"XP Mode" is simply a special version of Virtual PC for Win 7, it's still a true VM and completely isolated from the host OS. You can also run XP Mode apps in their own window, you don't need to run it inside an XP desktop.
Something else Win7 has is integrated support for VHDs (Virtual hard drives), but I believe only in Pro/Enterprise/Ultimate. What's cool about that, you say? Check this out...
You can create a VM inside Virtual PC running whatever. Vista, Linux, XP, Win7, etc. You can then run a tool to add the resulting VHD for the VM to the Win7 boot menu. Yes, you can boot a VHD as a native OS and it will use the physical hardware and associated drivers, etc.
One of the best uses for this that I can think of is for a kids PC. Let them run a VHD as the native OS and if you ever need to restore it to a clean state just revert the last snapshot. No more lengthy OS and app reinstalls thanks to spyware, viruses, etc.
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