DavidP
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Was hoping for some help. I currently have a Reese Dual Cam with Sway that uses the round bars. I used 750 lbs bars on my previous trailer.
My new trailer (Jayco 26p) has a dry weight of 5700, hitch weight as spec’d of 760 and Gross weight of 6750.
TV is a 2005 with tow package Nissan Armada. Rated at 9k tow capacity and 900 lbs hitch weight.
My question is; will I need higher rated bars like 1000 lbs with my new trailer?
I’m driving out of state to pick it up and the dealer does not have 1000 bars in stock and would have to order them in. I could get them local but I do not want to have to buy them if I do not need them. I talked to a couple dealers and they thought the 750's would be fine. Any suggestions?
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I moved up to a TT that is 5400lb dry and 6700GVWR and a tounge weight of 800lbs. I too had round bars with 750 capacity with my old rig. I tried to use the 750's but had some reduced control. When I bought 1000lb bars the problem went away. I have concluded that being close to the max capicity or slightly over was not a good thing.
I'm sure you will get opinions to the contrary but I would recommend that you move up to the 1000lb bars.
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I'd get 1000 lb bars for that rig. If you use 13% of GVWR your tongue weight can get up to 875 lbs or more. If that is the case you have found a match to your tow vehicle's maximum capabilities!
Ps. carry most of the weight in the trailer and you won't overwork the tow vehicle suspension.
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NHguy wrote:I'd get 1000 lb bars for that rig. If you use 13% of GVWR your tongue weight can get up to 875 lbs or more. If that is the case you have found a match to your tow vehicle's maximum capabilities!
Ps. carry most of the weight in the trailer and you won't overwork the tow vehicle suspension.
Keep in mind that 900 lbs is Max hitch weight allowed without the use of a WDH. With the use of a WDH some of the hitch weight will be transferred to the trailer and front axles so I’m not too worried about maxing the tongue number out or the 1500 lbs payload capacity by being sensible while loading. My trailers GVW of 6750 will be 2400 Lbs under the trucks 9100 capacity. I think if anything I left enough of a reserve with this combo and certainly not maxing it out.
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DavidP wrote:NHguy wrote:I'd get 1000 lb bars for that rig. If you use 13% of GVWR your tongue weight can get up to 875 lbs or more. If that is the case you have found a match to your tow vehicle's maximum capabilities!
Ps. carry most of the weight in the trailer and you won't overwork the tow vehicle suspension.
Keep in mind that 900 lbs is Max hitch weight allowed without the use of a WDH. With the use of a WDH some of the hitch weight will be transferred to the trailer and front axles so I’m not too worried about maxing the tongue number out or the 1500 lbs payload capacity by being sensible while loading. My trailers GVW of 6750 will be 2400 Lbs under the trucks 9100 capacity. I think if anything I left enough of a reserve with this combo and certainly not maxing it out.
I think that you might want to check into your Max hitch rating on the TV again. That 900# is most certainly WITH weight distribution. The weight carrying rating is going to be less. Usually about 1/2 of the weight distribution rating.
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Huntindog wrote:DavidP wrote:NHguy wrote:I'd get 1000 lb bars for that rig. If you use 13% of GVWR your tongue weight can get up to 875 lbs or more. If that is the case you have found a match to your tow vehicle's maximum capabilities!
Ps. carry most of the weight in the trailer and you won't overwork the tow vehicle suspension.
Keep in mind that 900 lbs is Max hitch weight allowed without the use of a WDH. With the use of a WDH some of the hitch weight will be transferred to the trailer and front axles so I’m not too worried about maxing the tongue number out or the 1500 lbs payload capacity by being sensible while loading. My trailers GVW of 6750 will be 2400 Lbs under the trucks 9100 capacity. I think if anything I left enough of a reserve with this combo and certainly not maxing it out.
I think that you might want to check into your Max hitch rating on the TV again. That 900# is most certainly WITH weight distribution. The weight carrying rating is going to be less. Usually about 1/2 of the weight distribution rating.
That is not stated anywhere in any documentation that I have or have researched that it is required but it is recommended. Many guys on some of the boating forums are pulling very large boats with no issues at or close to that 900 hitch weight number.
The numbers are max 650/6500 lbs with no tow package and 900/9000 with tow package. Nissan does recommend WDH with trailers over 5000 lbs. There is no mention or requirement of a WDH to be used over a specified tongue weight that I have read.
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DavidP wrote:The numbers are max 650/6500 lbs with no tow package and 900/9000 with tow package. Nissan does recommend WDH with trailers over 5000 lbs. There is no mention or requirement of a WDH to be used over a specified tongue weight that I have read.
It may very well be that Nissan does not say anything about using a WD hitch because the receiver and truck are not designed to be used with one. It there are not two sets of numbers on the receiver, one for weight carrying and one for WD use, then the receiver is most likely NOT designed for WD use and I certainly would advise not doing so.
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DavidP wrote:NHguy wrote:I'd get 1000 lb bars for that rig. If you use 13% of GVWR your tongue weight can get up to 875 lbs or more. If that is the case you have found a match to your tow vehicle's maximum capabilities!
Ps. carry most of the weight in the trailer and you won't overwork the tow vehicle suspension.
Keep in mind that 900 lbs is Max hitch weight allowed without the use of a WDH. With the use of a WDH some of the hitch weight will be transferred to the trailer and front axles so I’m not too worried about maxing the tongue number out or the 1500 lbs payload capacity by being sensible while loading. My trailers GVW of 6750 will be 2400 Lbs under the trucks 9100 capacity. I think if anything I left enough of a reserve with this combo and certainly not maxing it out.
Take a closer look. the RECEIVER will have a 500 or possibly 600 lb. maximum without WD system in place regardless of WHAT the tow vehicle is rated for. USe 15% of the GVWR to determine the loaded tongue weight and size the bars for that or just above it.
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you need the 1000lb bars for sure..plain and simple your tonge weight should not exceed the bar rating...
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BarneyS wrote:DavidP wrote:The numbers are max 650/6500 lbs with no tow package and 900/9000 with tow package. Nissan does recommend WDH with trailers over 5000 lbs. There is no mention or requirement of a WDH to be used over a specified tongue weight that I have read.
It may very well be that Nissan does not say anything about using a WD hitch because the receiver and truck are not designed to be used with one. It there are not two sets of numbers on the receiver, one for weight carrying and one for WD use, then the receiver is most likely NOT designed for WD use and I certainly would advise not doing so.
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Yes the truck is designed for WDH. It has a class IV 12k/1200 lbs tongue weight hitch from the factory that is rated higher then the 9k/900 lbs Armada rating. Use of WDH is discussed in the manual and is widely used on the Armada/Titan platform. The truck, just as the Titan, is very stout and more than capable of pulling the trailer I purchased, that is not the question I posed. Many on this site pull heavier trailers than mine with both the Titan and Armada staying within Nissan's specs with no issues. It’s no different than any other ½ ton truck; in fact the Armada has one of the highest tow ratings in its class.
I’m right on the threshold of 1000 lbs bars or the 750’s I have. I will most likely try the 750’s and see how they do and then decide.
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