bomre340
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I have been posting my day to day experience after total brake failure on 2003 Workhorse W22 chassis. After the brakes failed, I took the coach to Cummins Cal Pacific in Ventura, CA. They "fixed" the brake problem by changing the brake fluid at a cost of $340 including the diagostic. After getting the M/H back, I drove it home and the ABS light came on. I took it back in on Monday of this week. Today, Thursday the service writer told me that they had reinspected it and the same codes came up indicating that I was "riding the brakes" but this time they were going to contact Workhorse to find out what to do and for advise. I am supposed to hear back early next week. 11-09-2009
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Toolslinger
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I have a 2003 W22 which also experienced brake failure last spring just a week before the recall notice. I went to a brake shop and after inspection we decided to replace the rear calipers with rebuilt ones. When the recall notice came out we followed instructions from Workhorse and sent all the info to them. Last week a check came for reimbursement which was over $1,100. They said they were 4-6 months out in dealing with all the requests but they did come through.
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hwybnb
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I find it VERY interesting and revealing that the "Riding The Brakes" code would show up a second time after driving it just from the repair shop to your home and back. To me it strongly indicates that code, which seems to be the basis for denial of some claims for reimbursement, is bogus.
I hope that you will post your story on the irv2 Workhorse Chassis forum, if you have not already done so.
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othertonka
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If there is such a "Code" as riding the brakes, would'nt a stuck caliper that is putting pressure on the pads trying to apply the brakes without you even touching the brake pedal give the same code as riding the brake pedal? That it what it is trying to do, put the brakes on for that one wheel even without you being any where near the brake pedal. I don't buy it and would ask any mechanic to prove that I was riding the pedal. Of course I know people who "Left foot brake" that do indeed ride the pedal unconciously while the right foot is on the throttle. We have all followed then by noticing that the BRAKE/STOP lights are ON even when they are passing you or the stop lights keep blinking off and on while they are driving down the road.
One other thing that could happen is that the "Bell Crank" that conects the brake pedal rod to the rod that then goes to the master cylindar could be sticking ON due to a lack of lubrication at the bell crank itself. It has happened.
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rvjer
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Toolslinger wrote:I have a 2003 W22 which also experienced brake failure last spring just a week before the recall notice. I went to a brake shop and after inspection we decided to replace the rear calipers with rebuilt ones. When the recall notice came out we followed instructions from Workhorse and sent all the info to them. Last week a check came for reimbursement which was over $1,100. They said they were 4-6 months out in dealing with all the requests but they did come through.
bomre340
Please do post you story on IRV2.com workhorse chassis forum. There is a thread over there that is saying NO ONE EVER gets reimbursed. They need to know that it DOES happen, even if rarely.
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othertonka wrote:If there is such a "Code" as riding the brakes, would'nt a stuck caliper that is putting pressure on the pads trying to apply the brakes without you even touching the brake pedal give the same code as riding the brake pedal? That it what it is trying to do, put the brakes on for that one wheel even without you being any where near the brake pedal. I don't buy it and would ask any mechanic to prove that I was riding the pedal. Of course I know people who "Left foot brake" that do indeed ride the pedal unconciously while the right foot is on the throttle. We have all followed then by noticing that the BRAKE/STOP lights are ON even when they are passing you or the stop lights keep blinking off and on while they are driving down the road.
One other thing that could happen is that the "Bell Crank" that conects the brake pedal rod to the rod that then goes to the master cylindar could be sticking ON due to a lack of lubrication at the bell crank itself. It has happened.
The bell crank assembly on the 2003 units does not have the zerk grease fitting to lubricate it. They have to be taken apart to apply grease which will allow it to move freely. I believe that in 2004 they started installing a zerk fitting on the bell crank shaft to make it easier to keep the bell crank moving freely.
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newxmar
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There is all this talk that the owner/application/maintenance is responsible for W-22 brake failures.
But----we have the W-24 with the same type of users/conditions/maintenance without the brake failure problems.
Maybe Workhorse/Bosch should look at the W-24 calliper design. What is different? Why does this design work without failures????
Seems like a simple and short investigation leading to conclusions and a W-22 fix..
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FrontRangeRVer
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bomre340 wrote:I have been posting my day to day experience after total brake failure on 2003 Workhorse W22 chassis. After the brakes failed, I took the coach to Cummins Cal Pacific in Ventura, CA. They "fixed" the brake problem by changing the brake fluid at a cost of $340 including the diagostic. After getting the M/H back, I drove it home and the ABS light came on. I took it back in on Monday of this week. Today, Thursday the service writer told me that they had reinspected it and the same codes came up indicating that I was "riding the brakes" but this time they were going to contact Workhorse to find out what to do and for advise. I am supposed to hear back early next week. 11-09-2009
We appreciate the post here....lots of us are Workhorse owners here, and aren't interested in the irv2 cheerleading site. We want real world experiences, good and bad without the Workhorse Ambassador(s) there waving pom poms.
The code of "riding the brakes" would be an interesting topic, and I believe that Workhorse is using this to blame the consumer for this caliper sticking issue.
Newxmar hit on a good point in that us W-22 Workhorse owners would love the Bosch 4 piston calipers that the W-24 uses!
Also, make sure you have a bell crank grease zerk...if not, you might be under the recall to have one of those installed.
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wilanddij
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Quote:The bell crank assembly on the 2003 units does not have the zerk grease fitting to lubricate it. They have to be taken apart to apply grease which will allow it to move freely. I believe that in 2004 they started installing a zerk fitting on the bell crank shaft to make it easier to keep the bell crank moving freely.
You can do this job yourself fairly easily. Just drill a 1/4" hole into the outer bell crank housing and install a self tapping zerk fitting. Then grease it each time you change oil and service the chassis.
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bomre340 wrote:I have been posting my day to day experience after total brake failure on 2003 Workhorse W22 chassis. After the brakes failed, I took the coach to Cummins Cal Pacific in Ventura, CA. They "fixed" the brake problem by changing the brake fluid at a cost of $340 including the diagostic. After getting the M/H back, I drove it home and the ABS light came on. I took it back in on Monday of this week. Today, Thursday the service writer told me that they had reinspected it and the same codes came up indicating that I was "riding the brakes" but this time they were going to contact Workhorse to find out what to do and for advise. I am supposed to hear back early next week. 11-09-2009 I can assure you changing the fluid didnt fix a thing. This riding the brake code is now the latest " blame the customer" for their problems. You dont have to take anything apart to grease, Just add zerk fittings. I've had zerk fittings since 2004 that I grease at every oil change and still had 3 failures so It might not help but it couldnt hurt. Good luck
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