Horsedoc
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"Urea is a good fertalizer too. A little is good, a little bit more is better, but too much will burn the lawn."
Very true! The same is true of bull manure . It makes the grass green and grow. There has to be some mighty tall, green grass around some of these threads.
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RV-1/2n-FUN
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I wonder if the men, who 100's of years ago sailed the oceans of this planet, were privy to the pollution I saw on the horizon and in the water on the recent Panama Canal cruise my wife and I returned from last week?
I can remember many here on this forum who said that there was no recession happening and for all I know, might still feel that everything is fine and dandy. In denial there is a false comfort.
To believe that the existence of man has no negative impact on the ecological condition of this planet seems illogical and irresponsible to me. I do not believe the earth is capable of cleansing itself from the waste mankind has imparted on it and continues to do so.
For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction and mankind's actions have not been all that healthy for our Big Blue Marble.
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8.1 Van
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RV-1/2n-FUN wrote:I wonder if the men, who 100's of years ago sailed the oceans of this planet, were privy to the pollution I saw on the horizon and in the water on the recent Panama Canal cruise my wife and I returned from last week?
I can remember many here on this forum who said that there was no recession happening and for all I know, might still feel that everything is fine and dandy. In denial there is a false comfort.
To believe that the existence of man has no negative impact on the ecological condition of this planet seems illogical and irresponsible to me. I do not believe the earth is capable of cleansing itself from the waste mankind has imparted on it and continues to do so.
For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction and mankind's actions have not been all that healthy for our Big Blue Marble.
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It would be nice to stay on topic.
I don't know anybody who is against cleaning up pollution wherever and whenever possible.
Keep in mind that every drop of water that ever has been on the planet is still here. That doesn't mean it is drinkable, but it is here. What water we have that is clean, we most assuredly need to KEEP clean, and we need to clean up the water that has been polluted in the past.
CO2 makes up less than 1% of the atmosphere. Of that less than 1%, just over 97% is natural, not human caused. CO2 is absolutely necessary for plant life. Plant life (which gives off oxygen) is absolutely necessary for animal life.
What some of us are not too sure of is whether man-caused CO2 has any effect on global climate. It seems that some of the so-called "proofs" are now being shown to be, well, not QUITE accurate. (That's a nice way of saying they are lies!) Many well qualified, competent, climate scientists are "abandoning ship", and stating that the hysteria is not justified. Some are even saying that climate change will happen no matter what mankind does. Be sure to note that it is now "climate change". "Global warming" is now out of date.
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To think that man can, in his extremely short life span on Earth, have any lasting effect on the global weather is silly.
True, we can have short term effects on cities with localized pollution like L.A. and some others, but not the entire earth.
To completely eliminate mans effect on global weather you need to REMOVE MAN from the equation. Someday this could happen, through a global catastrophe, but short of that happening we will just muddle along.
In the winter in Reno, we would experience local Smog, if you will, caused by an inversion layer and the wood burning stoves etc which stayed until the winds picked up and blew it all the California.
Throughout earths history, as the chart has shown, there were warming AND cooling periods, even before man was around to muck things up.
Money is a driving power for many things in our modern society and weather conditions is just one. Al Gore is an example of someone who has gained much wealth form weather predictions, to mention only one.
So the topic, "Climatologists baffled by Global warming stall", is just another statement in a long list of predictions and there will be more and more revelations in the search for "The Truth about Earth and it's environs.
We expect the climate to suddenly change just because we are speaking about it here, but it don't work that way, nope.
You want to stop Smog, stop ALL the Smog producers, just don't fine them.
They need to either FIX IT UP or CLOSE IT UP.
Look outside of the earths atmosphere for things that effect our climate FAR MORE then puny man.
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50 years from now, they can blame it all on me, and I won't care..
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RV-1/2n-FUN
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Johno02 wrote:50 years from now, they can blame it all on me, and I won't care..
If things are worse in 50 years from now, the problems will rest on the shoulders of our children and grandchildren. Wouldn't that be a nice thing to leave them. 
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BCSnob
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mowermech wrote:It would be nice to stay on topic.
CO2 makes up less than 1% of the atmosphere. Of that less than 1%, just over 97% is natural, not human caused.
Question: If atmospheric CO2 levels were stable (280 ppm) up till 1850 and then started to rise (380 ppm in 2006) what natural occurrences of CO2 production increased? Did volcanic activity increase and continue to increase starting in 1850?
Greenhouse Gases, Carbon Dioxide And Methane, Rise Sharply In 2007
Focusing on just what's in the atmosphere is NOT thinking globally. CO2 is not just in the atmosphere, it is also absorbed by the earth (soils), oceans, and ice sheets.
Oceans' Uptake of Human-Made Carbon May Be Slowing
It is irrelavent how small a percentage CO2 is of the total atmosphere; what is important is at what amount it starts to have an impact. For example, dissolved salts make up about 3.5% of sea water; our bodies need salts. Is that small amount of salts in sea water safe to drink?
The amount of available water is also increasing with CO2. Fossil fuels and trees have sequestered CO2 and water for years.
Fuel + O2 -> CO2 + water + other products + heat
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Doug4.7
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There are several problems with that theory. The first being that CO2 levels have spiked in the past. Those spikes could not have been caused by man because it was before man was even around. Second problem is that there is research out there that shows that CO2 and global temperatures are NOT linked. Third, the major "global warming gas" is NOT CO2, but is water vapor. All of the models assume that water vapor tracks CO2, but there is no proof of that. The research out there on the link is contradictory at best, which means we really don't have a handle on the science yet.
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8.1 Van
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Johno02 wrote:50 years from now, they can blame it all on me, and I won't care..
I bet Glenn Beck would say the same thing.
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