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RE: GM trucks will get updated interiors like 2021 tahoe

I figured this would happen when I bought my 2020. I talked to a Chevy rep about a year ago and he thought the interior would stay until 2022 in the HD. I wouldn't be surprised if the half ton got the upgrade in 2021 and HD in 2022.
2001400ex 03/01/20 10:39pm Tow Vehicles
RE: Is Ram Ditching Aisin Tranmissions

Actually watched it on the internet and provided the links. It's funny how you guys have to defend the ram for whatever reason. It's a great pulling pickup. I was close to buying one. Chose GM cause it drives better unloaded. GM has their weaknesses too, a lot were addressed in the new generation but still the RAM does some things better. Such as the air ride, the big screen, etc.. I bought a one year old 1993 RAM/Cummins, then a new 2001.5 and finally a new 2015. For 26 years I just have not realized that I was driving a sub par daily driver, as each one having been better than to one before it. https://thumbs.gfycat.com/OfficialFrigidCommongonolek-size_restricted.gif I'm specifically talking about the Aisin transmission. I also almost bought a ram in 09 as well. Went with a used Ford 6.0 cause they were dirt cheap. I'm not against RAM. Just saying the Aisin isn't the best transmission for daily driving.
2001400ex 02/29/20 10:01am Tow Vehicles
RE: Is Ram Ditching Aisin Tranmissions

A long stroke I-6 is not a dragster engine. A short stroke V-8 will almost always be quicker. People do not buy a RAM with the Cummins I-6 as a sports truck, they buy it was a towing machine! Yes that's exactly what I said. The Aisin is the worst of the three for a daily driver. They are great at towing. But the other two are better for those of us like me who tow a few times a year. But need a one ton when you need a one ton. I have to ask how many AISIN’s have you daily driven? Actually watched it on the internet and provided the links. It's funny how you guys have to defend the ram for whatever reason. It's a great pulling pickup. I was close to buying one. Chose GM cause it drives better unloaded. GM has their weaknesses too, a lot were addressed in the new generation but still the RAM does some things better. Such as the air ride, the big screen, etc..
2001400ex 02/28/20 08:58pm Tow Vehicles
RE: Is Ram Ditching Aisin Tranmissions

A long stroke I-6 is not a dragster engine. A short stroke V-8 will almost always be quicker. People do not buy a RAM with the Cummins I-6 as a sports truck, they buy it was a towing machine! Yes that's exactly what I said. The Aisin is the worst of the three for a daily driver. They are great at towing. But the other two are better for those of us like me who tow a few times a year. But need a one ton when you need a one ton.
2001400ex 02/28/20 07:03pm Tow Vehicles
RE: Is Ram Ditching Aisin Tranmissions

Here is an 18 with the Aisin and 4:10. There is a drag race a few minutes in. I wouldn't call it fast. https://youtu.be/dGKnlIAqKJg Uphill the lower powered RAM matched the Ford in time and used less fuel. They gave the RAM 60 points and the Ford 59 at the end. Yes, if you read the thread. The RAM with the Aisin is great at pulling. But not the best as a daily driver. Others stated that it's as quick as the Ford with the 4:10 gears. I'm showing that is not correct.
2001400ex 02/26/20 10:05pm Tow Vehicles
RE: Is Ram Ditching Aisin Tranmissions

Super slow 0-60. You obviously don't have a 4:10 behind it. In this test it was 3:42. Other tests I've seen are similar. Regardless of gear ratio, everyone says it drives like a semi unloaded. But drives great loaded. https://news.pickuptrucks.com/2018/07/whats-the-best-one-ton-heavy-duty-truck-for-2018.html I would challenge anyone to drive a HO Cummins/Aisin with a 4:10. Get on it at a light. Nothing slow about it. Here is an 18 with the Aisin and 4:10. There is a drag race a few minutes in. I wouldn't call it fast. https://youtu.be/dGKnlIAqKJg
2001400ex 02/26/20 06:51pm Tow Vehicles
RE: Is Ram Ditching Aisin Tranmissions

They better danged well be considering some kind of upgrade to more gears or the market is going to pass them by. While I agree that they need to update and get more gears, they did do better than the GM on the Ike. It's not pulling hills that the extra gears help, it's cruising unloaded on the freeway where the extra gears result in lower RPM's. Here's a hot shot driver sharing his experience with a new Ford 10 speed and it's benefits with pulling a load over three major passes and strong fuel economy performance. Link Very cool link, thanks for sharing. I drive that section of road towing a lot in the summer, 3-4 times a year. On the mpg, one thing to remember if 3 forks, where he started, is like 4,500 feet, and post falls is closer to 2,000 feet, so a net downhill. Also that load was not very wind resistant. That being said, for a 16,000 or so pound load, that's impressive. Weird on the tranny in cruise. I also felt it was hunting for gears a lot. I'll be curious to see how my Denali does this summer on the same stretch.
2001400ex 02/24/20 08:47pm Tow Vehicles
RE: 2020 IKE raw and unedited

I understand precisely what you are saying. One question: Does Ford do SAE testing procedures with a SAE witness or not? If not, then you can dis the SAE standards all you want. The Fact would be that Ford tests without any "benchmark" standards. IOW, They can make up their own test standards. Using a witness does not matter in what I am talking about since none(zero,zip, zilch, nada) of the SAE tests is sustained power. It is only short burst power. So having a witness has nothing to do with it. Also, the tests standards(witness or not) have the same correction factors. Ford or any manufacturer could use the best correction factors today without a witness and then use the very same best correction factors next year with a witness and it would still be legit. A witness does not mean squat in this because it is legal to do witness or not, and a witness would still sign off on using the best correction factors because it is within the test parameters. I don't think you understand how the process works because you would not be saying what you are saying if you did.So why then did the Dmax with less HP smoke the higher rated Ford for so many years? Fact is with out a SAE witness to the testing, they can do anything they want. And get pretty much any rating they want... I remember a MASH episode where Col. Potter was having trouble passing his drivers test, and wanted a "make up test". his instructor, Rizzo said"Great idea, you can make up your own test, I bet you get a 100%." It is definitely not uncommon for a lower powered vehicle to win a race. Bench racing only gets you so far. You can plug in as many formulas, weights, gear ratios etc you want but it doesn't mean anything until that tire is pushing asphalt. There is a reason we still go through the exercise of actually lining up the cars as the starting line. Horsepower at the crank is fairly meaningless. That's not necessarily true, but what matters is the horsepower to the ground. GM over the years has done a great job getting the horsepower to the ground. Toyota in their cars and crossovers do a great job as well. They are efficient. Drivetrain loss, or lack thereof, is as important as HP at the crank. That being said, this test in these conditions, the Ford beat both the RAM and Chevy. Hopefully everyone ups their game.
2001400ex 02/24/20 08:16pm Tow Vehicles
RE: 2020 IKE raw and unedited

I take it you think the winning truck would be the one with the greatest cooling capacity. That could very well be. More than likely all the engineers, regardless of manufacturer, are using the same formulas to determine how much cooling they need per hp they are designing for. I'm sure Ford hasn't designed the Super Duty to only put out peak HP at sub freezing temperatures. Not necessarily. It is becuase what is tied to the cooling system rather than the cooling system itself. The GM and Ram do not have their intercooler connected or reliant upon the coolant system even if temps got to 240F, it would have no effect on their intake temps like it would with the Ford. There is a direct correlation with intake temps and EGT's. I also would not put it past any of the big three to only advertise peak power numbers that you would only get at certain conditions to win "best in class" titles if it meant selling more trucks. I don't think Cummins would do that which means Ram can't even if they wanted to. Defueling or reducing power to save the engine when temps get to high is nothing new. It happens to gassers all the time especially turbocharged gassers or N/A gassers that require premium fuel. There is noting in the rule books that says Ford or any manufacturer cannot advertise short burst power levels. In fact, the SAE test is just that. A short burst runs to max rpm and back again. There is no sustained power level test when manufacturers perform the SAE power levels dynos. They can very well give you 475 hp for a short period of time then dial it back if temps get too hot and it would be 100% legal under advertising laws. I will say that even some emissions deleted 6.7L Powerstorkes probably could not sustain 475 hp pulling the Ike under that load so how they got an emissions intact truck to do it is beyond me. SAE does set the parmeters for the dyno test, and in order to advertise the power numbers as SAE, they must use an SAE witness for the test. While you can argue about the validity of this... It doesn't apply to Ford. As far as I know Ford still doesn't do SAE dyno testing. So they can make up any rules they want. I don't think you understand what I was saying. It doesn't matter who has a witness or not. The test itself has many correction factors built into it that the manufacturers can take advantage of (witness or not) and it is only a short burst power being tested, not sustained power. That's why on my old 08, for example, I had a 120 HP tune. But on hot days pulling heavy, I had to back off myself part way up the hill. I would have blown it up if I didn't. But early in the hill and unloaded for a burst, I had every bit of that 120 HP.
2001400ex 02/24/20 09:11am Tow Vehicles
RE: 2020 IKE raw and unedited

One other point I noticed was they failed to reset the lie O meter on the Ram at the beginning of the climb. Was at 7.7 and slowly went down to 2.5. Yeah these guys aren't the best. Really I want to see in hot weather, two tests. One pulling a fifth wheel RV with 16k pounds from 1 ton SRW. Then this similar test with duallies and 30k pounds but in hot weather. Same day. I'd also like to see three or 4 66 mile tests rather than just one. Also they need to hook up a banks idash to monitor whatever they want, such as the gear they are in, intake temps, EGTs, etc.
2001400ex 02/23/20 06:06pm Tow Vehicles
RE: 2020 IKE raw and unedited

Watched the entire video.. Have to chuckle at those guys. Right at the beginning the RAM was bouncing hard. They commented how the GM was bouncing hard when they ran it a couple weeks ago. But then watching during the GM run, around the 29-30 minute mark. They commented how nice the GM was running. Something about ramps not tied down on an earlier GM run causing it to run rough. Lol I think for whatever reason they hate GM. My take aways. Fully loaded when cold, the Ford ran away, but was loud. Fully loaded the ram did great downhill. All three under 20k can probably do the speed limit anywhere. All three have their pluses and minuses but all are great pickups. Great time to be in the market for a new pickup. I personally like the ram interior the best. GM interior little better than Ford. But the GM drives the best for my driving style. And the HUD and camera in the mirror made the decision for me.
2001400ex 02/23/20 05:34pm Tow Vehicles
RE: 2020 IKE raw and unedited

I wonder if the Ford (or any for that matter) would de-fuel if outside temps were hotter and therefore post a longer time. Yeah that's the question we've all been wondering. I know my 08 ran much hotter when it was hot out. I had to back off (EFI live so there was no limits).
2001400ex 02/23/20 12:51pm Tow Vehicles
RE: Is Ram Ditching Aisin Tranmissions

Super slow 0-60. You obviously don't have a 4:10 behind it. In this test it was 3:42. Other tests I've seen are similar. Regardless of gear ratio, everyone says it drives like a semi unloaded. But drives great loaded. https://news.pickuptrucks.com/2018/07/whats-the-best-one-ton-heavy-duty-truck-for-2018.html So you had the same feeling when you test drove one? And when you bought the GM product you were ok with: The Bad Insufficient information: While the Chevrolet Silverado 3500 provides some information to the driver about what the truck is doing, it falls well short of the Ford and Ram in giving complete info. For instance, the diesel exhaust fluid gauge has only two readings: "enough" and "refill now." You can't see what gear you're in when in Drive; you must shift the transmission into Manual to see the gear in use displayed on the information screen. Awkward cabin layout: We've complained before about the offset position of the steering wheel and it's still a problem, one that we hope will be addressed when the next generation of heavy-duty Chevrolet trucks arrive in the next year or two. Mediocre cameras: The Chevrolet Silverado 3500 lacks a bed camera, and there's no way to activate the rearview camera while you're going forward as you can in the others. Our top-of-the-line vehicle was not equipped with the aftermarket extra side cameras (which activate when using your blinkers), but we're not sure that would have compared well anyway with either of the other systems. Diesel exhaust fluid mess: We dislike just about everything regarding the DEF system on the Chevrolet Silverado 3500. Barnes was unequivocal: "The DEF system needs work on every part — the fill location under the hood is the worst in the industry, the DEF tank's low position is the worst in the industry and the in-dash DEF gauge itself is the worst in the industry." As noted earlier, it has two positions: "enough" and "refill immediately." Not good enough. Lackluster storage: "There's nowhere to really slip a cellphone that has it accessible and still powered up," Bragman noticed. "Kudos for having lots of USB ports, but then it's odd that there's nowhere to securely put the thing you've just plugged in." **OH, yours is two model years newer!** I like my RAM for the reason they listed! The Good Comfortable interior: "Everything was easy to reach, the driver's seat was most comfortable for me, and the rear seats were heated and had vents," Barnes said. "It has a bumpin' sound system, too," Bragman added. "That Alpine unit sounds sick!" That's a good thing. Thoughtful storage solutions: The Ram 3500 had plenty of nooks to store and hide gear. "Hidden storage and under-rear-seat configurations are a nice touch. I especially like the thoughtful lighting under the rear seats," Williams said. Bragman appreciated the functional cellphone or tablet holders in the center console. Smooth ride: Everyone had big praise for how the Ram 3500 rides, thanks to its rear air suspension in conjunction with the common leaf springs. "Road feel when towing was about as smooth and confident as I've felt in this segment," said Williams. "It has been a while since I've driven a one-ton single-rear-wheel axle with the airbags, but between the leaf springs and bag pressure, this is incredibly well-dialed in." Towing stability: Of the three trucks, the Ram 3500 felt the most at home towing a heavy trailer. Barnes said the Ram was the "most stable truck while towing; there were no vibrations or other issues, making the Ram the most confident tow vehicle of the three tested." It also handled itself best under panic braking when the trailer brakes were switched off, stopping a stunning 20 feet shorter than the third-place Ford, with perfect poise and control. Lol I just said the RAM with the Aisin drives like a semi. And is slow off the line unloaded. Both are facts and pretty much every review says the same. Nice rant otherwise. All three pickups are awesome, but that's what kept me out of the RAM as mine is mostly a daily driver.
2001400ex 02/23/20 12:41pm Tow Vehicles
RE: 2020 IKE raw and unedited

I wonder why the Ford cooling fan was used so much? The powerstroke was putting out about 15% more power than the other engines but I don't think that would be enough to require that much more cooling. The other possibility is that the cooling fan was needed to keep the intercooler running efficiently? What was happening with the Ram transmission? I think the torque converter must have been unlocking and locking? For the cooling fan part, it's just basic math in a diesel engine. The more fuel you put at it, the hotter it is. The Duramax went from 235/500 in 01 to 445/910 now (for comparison, the new 3.0 is 277/460). It's the engine has changed over the years, they've added emissions, and beefed up the tranny. But the biggest difference is the amount of cooling they added to the engine. Look at the cooling stack now compared to prior years. All Ford really did was add fuel and then cooling. That's the main reason I wanted to see the whole video of them pulling and see the DB readings (which they didn't take). Yes pulling 30k, the Ford did better, but it was much louder doing so. For most of us pulling under 20k, I would imagine both can go the speed limit the entire pass. My 08 Duramax pulling 15k would pull every mountain pass at the speed limit other than when it was 95 degrees out.
2001400ex 02/23/20 11:06am Tow Vehicles
RE: Is Ram Ditching Aisin Tranmissions

Super slow 0-60. You obviously don't have a 4:10 behind it. In this test it was 3:42. Other tests I've seen are similar. Regardless of gear ratio, everyone says it drives like a semi unloaded. But drives great loaded. https://news.pickuptrucks.com/2018/07/whats-the-best-one-ton-heavy-duty-truck-for-2018.html
2001400ex 02/23/20 10:37am Tow Vehicles
RE: Is Ram Ditching Aisin Tranmissions

Everything I've read. The Aisin is great when pulling, even with the gear disadvantage. But drives like a semi when empty. Super slow 0-60. That kept me out of the RAM as I only pull heavy 4-5 times a year. They need to find a tranny that does great pulling and around town as a lot more heavy duty pickups are daily driven than ever before.
2001400ex 02/22/20 11:36pm Tow Vehicles
RE: 2009 Silverado 3500 HD Duramax LMM overheating

On that year Duramax, it's normal to get up to 230 degrees water temp, fan kicks on then cools down and starts over again. As others have noted, kick the tranny in manual mode to be around 2,500 RPMs up the hill and it will run cooler. If it's truly overheating, you'll get a fuel filter error message. I had that once when I didn't shift down early enough on a long 35 mph pull. To reduce temps, get a cold sir intake. I had an S&B and it ran cooler after getting it. You can also get bigger exhaust to get the air out quicker.
2001400ex 02/09/20 07:33pm Tow Vehicles
RE: F350 Super Duty vs 3500 Denali vs The Ike Pulling 30k lbs

todays trucks are all so capable (even over capable) of hauling big loads and high enough reliability such that these differences for me are so minor that my buying decisions have been based on other things like creature comfort, how quite the truck is, and other features long before I get to the "which truck is faster" criteria. That's exactly right. My 08 Duramax 2500 towed my 14k (weight at a scale) fifth wheel up every mountain pass I drive over in the Northwest/Montana at the speed limit. When it was stock and after I tuned it. And I only tow a few times a year, so daily driving is my main focus when I bought miy 2020 Denali. I really wanted the RAM, but the Aisin drives like a big rig even unloaded. If I used it mostly to pull, I probably would have bought the RAM.
2001400ex 02/02/20 12:15pm Tow Vehicles
RE: 2020 Ford 7.3L Ike Gauntlet

Looks like Ford's new 2020 trucks are hitting grand slams and the GM trucks are falling short along with the terrible front end styling on all models. I don't like admitting this, but from a performance standpoint, your right. I don't think Ford has ever done this well on the Ike test. It has taken forever, but Ford finally delivered on their spec sheet. As for the looks, that is subjective, and personally I have grown to like the GM HD look. Others may not...o well. The performance gap is what I am not happy about. I knew the aspbeating with the 6.6 gas was coming (the lack of gears and/or the 3.73's in the gas engine made it a predictable outcome). I am surprised/concerned at the Duramax performance in comparison. After years of the GM trucks being dominate on the hill, I guess turn a bout is fair play, hopefully this calls GM out to find an answer. If I liked driving the first loser...I would drive a GT350 instead of a ZL1. Sorry... Fish, gotta get a win where I can right now...lol. Well how the Ford performed was subjective. Yes if you want to pull 30,000 pounds a minute quicker than yes Ford wins. But it was a lot louder doing so with the fan on most of the ride. I want to see a more realistic 18k pounds or something with a fifth wheel RV. That's the most common purpose for consumers (not businesses). And measure everything including sound level, EGTs, etc. For the gas engines, Chevy has always been behind in the HD segment. If I wanted a gas engine to do work, Ford would be my choice. I had one 6.0 gas Chevy and was over it pretty quickly.
2001400ex 02/01/20 01:37pm Tow Vehicles
RE: F350 Super Duty vs 3500 Denali vs The Ike Pulling 30k lbs

^^^ Its really hard to say. Maybe GM is wanting cooler temps so the cooling fan never shut off. My Ford runs up to 205 *F in minus 5*F weather cruising down the level highway without a trailer. The GM ran in its peak hp range the whole way up the hill and yet put less power to the pavement than the Ford did running at 2200 rpm. If that big cooling fan was running continuous it may have robbed an awful lot of HP.I kind of doubt the GMs fan ran all the time. In the Ford, when it came on, it was VERY loud. The GM was quiet inside. And if that huge fan had been running, it should have made some noise, and I would think that they would have talked about it like they did with the Ford. The low trans temp doesn't suprise me, as my 2011 also runs cool even towing in AZ in the summer. It's amazing to me on the original video. They didn't mention that as a negative when they scored them both. That's a huge negative to Ford. I usually don't call out placed for bias, but they seemed awfully biased in this assessment. The Ford won up the hill, they should have scored better but not 82 to 59 or whatever.
2001400ex 01/29/20 11:45am Tow Vehicles
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