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RE: Travel Trailer vs. Motorhome (my situation)

2manytoyz Thanks for all that info. That's a beautiful motorhome you have. I might still go that route. I know that the HD trucks are expensive (I would probably need an F250), but big truck + big TT is still significantly less than big RV + Jeep. The Jeep Wranglers aren't cheap, either, and I would want the 4 door version (more $$$). There are a few points you raised that I would quibble with. 1 - You start off comparing a new big truck to a lightly used big RV. Sure, you can save money if you go used, but then you can go used on the big truck and it's still cheaper. We need to compare apples to apples. Used to used or new to new. The last thing I would probably buy is a used motorhome. I think there are too many more expensive gotchas that could bite me later and I'm not an expert at inspecting all of those things (and I don't know how to pick an "expert" I would trust). It's new or nothing for me. 2 - You talk about how much easier it is to set up the motorhome, but you don't mention the toad. Is there a button you can push to unhook the toad without getting wet in the rain? Apples to apples again. I'm not going to travel in a motorhome unless I pull a Jeep. If I'm going to buy and tow a Jeep I want to unhook it when I get to the campground. I guess you can unhook it later when the rain stops if you have a big enough space to wait, but I think a lot of RV parks don't have spaces that long or you'd probably have to pay extra for them. 3 - You make the class A sound safer than a big truck in a head on collision. At high speed nothing is very safe, but I would feel safer with the engine compartment in front of me instead of under me. And a big HD truck sits pretty high, too. It's not like the car in your example. One other pro for the big truck + big TT that I left off my initial post is that (I think) you can find more mechanics who know how to work on an HD truck than a Class A motorhome engine, but I may be wrong about that. That's what my brother tells me about his Class C motorhome, that it's easier to find service because it's based on a Ford or Chevy truck. Class C is another can of worms that I had considered earlier, but it's probably not for me. Steve Thanks for taking the time to read and respond! 1. When you say "big truck", that obviously means something different to you. When I think big truck, I'm thinking an F350 dually with a diesel! When you price those, and a big 5ver, that can easily exceed the cost of a Class A (gasser) + Jeep. I did buy my Class A used, with 10K miles. It came with a transferable factory warranty for the chassis/drivetrain from Ford. It's still good for another year yet. The coach itself only had a 30 day warranty, but I could have purchased one of three available levels via Lazy Days (dealer). Having owned RVs for so many years, and doing almost all of my own repairs, mods, and upgrades, there was no reason for "me" to do this. Obviously YMMV. I don't know many people willing or able to do the stuff I find fun. I'm weird that way. 2. The slick thing about the TOAD is not having to wait to unhitch at the campground, especially when it's raining. I can simply go to the nearest gas station, with covered pumps, pull in, and unhitch. The process takes about 2-3 minutes. Incredibly easy, and the towbar arms collapse, and fold. They stay attached to the back of the motorhome. No heavy lifting. Once I've backed the motorhome into the site, pushed all the magic buttons, I press the one for the awning, and now the wife has a covered carport to park the Jeep. Cheating, but when you live in Florida, where rain can be a daily event, you tend to be creative. How do you like them apples? :W http://2manytoyz.com/328TS/awning.jpg width=640 When we depart, we have the same options for hitching. BUT, since I'm going to need to disconnect the shore connections, I typically throw on the poncho, and take care of everything at once. Not as slick for sure. 3. The engine is still in front of the driver on our Class A. https://o.aolcdn.com/images/dims3/GLOB/legacy_thumbnail/800x450/format/jpg/quality/85/http://www.blogcdn.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2007/11/08f53_chassis_passenger_1_opt.jpg width=640 But it is lower than the driver. The engine cover is only a few inches above the floor. From the outside, it's hard to see the very long dash between the driver, and the front of the vehicle. The windshield at the front of the rig gives a false impression of where it's located. This evening I took a tape measure to get an accurate reading on the height of the driver in our Class A. The interior floor of the motorhome is almost 48". The seat is another 18". That puts my butt 5.5' or about 66 inches in the air. This is why my eye level is about the same as a full sized tractor trailer rig. The average car is well shorter than that, which is why I made the comment. There are no winners in an accident, but the odds are better if most of the collision is where you're not. The F53/F550 chassis is by far the most common. The V10 6.8L gas engine has been around a long time for RVs and trucks, and can be serviced at ANY Ford dealership, and probably every other shop as well. Kind of like finding someone to work on a Chevy 350. Doesn't require a "diesel mechanic", or some weird authorized service center. It even has the standard OBDII computer port for diagnostics. Everyone will have a different opinion. My recommendation is to listen to those who actually own/use a particular setup, and take complaints about something they don't own with a block of salt. I've been on this forum a very long time, and you wouldn't believe the number of people who told me what I was already doing wouldn't work, despite pictures and videos to the contrary! But your preferences are yours, and yours alone. Whatever you think works best for you, probably will. Go kick the tires, take 'em for a drive, try to get a little seat time before you commit a big chunk on a new setup. Renting for a week is another consideration. Happy Shopping!
2manytoyz 07/16/19 07:26pm Beginning RVing
RE: 6 people in an F350

An easy solution would be have the second adult drive an additional vehicle, and put a couple of belly buttons in that.
2manytoyz 07/16/19 01:18pm Tow Vehicles
RE: Ford F-150 what do I need for towing?

When I bought our new 2010 F150 FX4 (4x4) Super Crew Cab, I chose the Max Tow Package. It included a built-in brake controller, with trailer sway control. A tighter turning radius, wider rear springs, different gearing, a transmission cooler, a larger (36 gallon) fuel tank, an 11,100# tow capacity, an 1810# bed capacity, a Class IV hitch, and a 4 & 7 pin towing receptacles. I have always used an Equalizer hitch when towing our travel trailer, which is an excellent addition. Because I sized my truck to fit my needs, I was able to also carry a 900 lb golf cart in the bed of the truck. Notice no squatting of the rear springs. http://www.2manytoyz.com/camp/fw2013/1.jpg width=640 http://www.2manytoyz.com/camp/fw2013/2.jpg width=640 In a couple of weeks, our TT will go to our niece. I have 105K miles on my truck, and have no regrets. It's still my daily driver. Whatever F150 setup you choose, make sure it has the Max Tow Package. Can't add it after the fact. FWIW, the 2018 F150 with this package is rated at 13,200#. Not too shabby!
2manytoyz 07/16/19 01:04pm Travel Trailers
RE: Travel Trailer vs. Motorhome (my situation)

Might want to check new "big truck" prices. My F150, super crew cab, max towing package, 5.4L gasser, blah blah, was $45K in 2010! Prices have jumped since then, and mine is limited to 11,100 lbs. Not a "big truck". The ones I've seen cost more than my used Class A. My last setup was the truck mentioned, and a travel trailer. It was great, but had its pros/cons. This is my second Class A. Bought this one 3 years old, paid $75K. Already had the Jeep. I retire in less than 1.5 years, and we plan on doing a lot of traveling. Things I like about a Class A over a trailer. * Built in generator. When we stop at rest stops, the rig is ALREADY cool, and everything works, just like being connected to utilities. Make a sammich, take a shower, take a nap, our choice. * Backing a Class A is easier. There are no blind spots. It doesn't bend in the middle. I can always see down both sides, and the rear view camera can see the rest. * When I back into the site, I put the motorhome in park, shut off the engine, and leave the generator running. A button is pushed, and the rig self levels. The wife drives out the slides. It doesn't matter if it's raining outside or not. If it is, I can wait until later to connect to shore utilities, then shut off the generator. * Once we are at a campground, we have the nimble Jeep to go in town, or go off-roading. This can go many places a full sized truck either won't fit well, or not at all. * If the engine dies in the tow vehicle (motorhome in my case), I always have a powered life-boat available. * The motorhome has a big truck chassis (F550 on ours), V10 engine, and beefy transmission. Some people tow trailers with trucks struggling to handle the max rated load. My BIL was a good example! The only way I can tell the Jeep is still attached is to look at the rear view camera monitor. No perceptible difference towing it or not. * Big comfy captain's chairs in the motorhome. Lots of room for everything, without having the cab packed with food, a cooler, and things we need quick access to. Plenty of room for 2 people, or 8, plus our dog. * Sitting up as high as tractor trailers gives us a much better view of traffic ahead. Gawd forbid if we are in a head on accident with a car... but at least the worst of it will be well below us. * The motorhome we have has an 80 gallon gas tank. More than double what my F150 has. Makes for a greater range before needing to look for fuel. Usually not a big deal, but was VERY handy in 2004 when we evacuated due to a hurricane with our then 1999 Class A. Gas stations were either empty or packed in FL. * Our motorhome came with 4 house batteries, and an inverter. We can shut the engine and generator down, and still have 120 VAC power. Obviously this can be done with a trailer, but not a commonly included feature that I have seen. * I don't have to tow anything. If we go to Disney's Fort Wilderness, all the transportation once there is provided. Last time we went, we took a small utility trailer, and our golf cart. That would be a challenge with a 5ver, unless a toy hauler! http://www.2manytoyz.com/camp/disney2019/IMG_5860.jpg width=640 If you have local friends with a Class A, and a 5ver, or big TT, I would encourage you to take both for a test drive. Take a look in the cab, consider how much stuff you'd typically want handy, and where it will all fit. There is no ideal setup for everyone. But you can pretty much bet if it's going to be big enough to full time, and be comfortable, you're going to tow "something". I've changed our setup many times over the years. Have yet to find the perfect one, but sure like what we have now. Happy shopping!
2manytoyz 07/16/19 12:47pm Beginning RVing
RE: brake buddy/assist

I bought a used Roadmaster Even Brake, and a Roadmaster Falcon 2 tow bar, from eBay. Paid less than half the original price. Both items had some minor cosmetic blemishes, and cleaned up nicely. I tested all items shortly after receiving them, in case they needed to be returned.
2manytoyz 07/10/19 07:57am Full-time RVing
RE: Duracell 6 volt batteries

What I find interesting is that on these 6 volt flooded battery threads its not stated how far these batteries are discharged. Yes that's how they are rated by number of full discharge cycles.So im guessing they are drawn down to almost nothing. However what I have found using Trojan T 125s is that if you hold the discharge to no greater than 50% they keep going on and on. Sold my first TT after 10 years with two Trojans T125s, still going. Bought a new to us TT 4 years ago and its a no brainer another two. We just traded up to a fiver and I added two more. So now up to 4 Trojans 125's. I know Ill get 10 plus years out of them. I use the Trimetric 2030rv meter to let me know state of charge and just upgraded to 648 watts of solar. Its a delight not to worry about it. Heat is a major factor when it comes to battery life. Automotive batteries only last 3-4 years in Florida, despite the brand, cost, or warranty. My garage is currently in the 90s at midnight! Golf cart batteries (4x Trojan T-1275) are the same chemistry, and suffer the same limited life due to heat. I've been purchasing 6V golf cart batteries for my solar setup since 2006. Gone through several sets. Almost always 4-5 years of use, never longer. I also have a 48V golf cart, and have to replace those batteries every 4-5 years also. http://www.2manytoyz.com/hardware/batterybank/8batts.jpg width=640 http://2manytoyz.com/hardware/batterybank/dscn9474.jpg width=640 http://www.2manytoyz.com/hardware/batterybank/newbatts2017/new-batts.jpg width=640 I water my batteries monthly. I have a battery watering system on the motorhome, golf cart, and had added one to the solar battery bank shortly before moving to AGMs. None have every been as low as 50% SOT (State Of Charge). Typically never below 80%! I'm using a Xantrex LinkPRO to monitor the SOT of the battery bank. http://www.2manytoyz.com/hardware/alt/linkpro/pics/DSCN3252.JPG height=480 Last year, I finally switched over to AGM batteries for the solar setup. They are much more expensive, but are expected to last 8-10 years in this heat.
2manytoyz 07/10/19 07:36am Class A Motorhomes
RE: Anyone use a TPMS for their trailer?

I used that same brand on our TT. Worked great, but batteries don't last long. Closer to 2-3 months, no matter the brand. They are an odd size (CR1632), and I couldn't find them locally. I have since purchased them at Amazon: https://amzn.to/2XwNERP Only $5.99 for 10. I was surprised to see how much extra sensors cost. When we bought the Class A late last year, I had planned on using the same TPMS on the new rig, but needed to buy more sensors. It was almost cheaper to buy an all new system, with 6 sensors. Source: https://amzn.to/2xzwuZj Consequently, the new system is used on the Class A. The 4 old sensors have been put on the Jeep we tow. It easily monitors all 10 tires at once. The old monitor is kept as a spare, along with the booster. The new system works perfectly with the older sensors. Really a good brand.
2manytoyz 07/08/19 11:02am Tech Issues
RE: Downsizing to TT

Our last RV was a 2007 Rockwood Ultralite 2502 travel trailer. Ordered it new online. It's right at 4000 lbs empty, but with all the options. No slides. Very little storage. 25' long. The next model, with a slide, added over 1000 lbs at the time. Even hybrid TTs weighed more than this one. The get the weight this low, the trailer is 6" narrower than their other models, the wall frame, bed frame, and dinette frame, are all welded aluminum. The trailer frame is steel. The upside to this TT is even a mid sized SUV (not a crossover!) can tow this easily. The downside is the limited space. Fine for the two of us, and a small dog. But we are now close to retirement, and recently bought a Class A. The TT will be sold to our niece by the end of the month. Pictures of this trailer here: http://2manytoyz.com/tt.html http://www.2manytoyz.com/staug.html
2manytoyz 07/08/19 10:54am Travel Trailers
RE: Duracell 6 volt batteries

I used a set of these with my home solar setup. Got about 5 years of daily use before needing to replace them. That's above average lifespan for flooded batteries in the Florida heat. For the price, I'd recommend them. http://2manytoyz.com/hardware/batterybank/dscn9480.jpg width=640 http://2manytoyz.com/hardware/batterybank/dscn9488.jpg width=640 http://2manytoyz.com/hardware/batterybank/dscn9476.jpg width=640 I've since moved over to AGM batteries for the solar setup: http://www.2manytoyz.com/agm-batt-bank.html
2manytoyz 07/08/19 10:46am Class A Motorhomes
RE: Honda 2000: surprisingly poor oil fill tube design

My Yamaha and Champion generators are the same. Here's my method: http://www.2manytoyz.com/hardware/generators/oil-change/dscn0516.jpg width=640 Purchased on Amazon: https://amzn.to/2Jx6p2r http://2manytoyz.com/hardware/generators/funnel.jpg height=480 The blue part of the funnel is a valve. Open it only as much as needed, close it when the generator is full. No mess, no fuss.
2manytoyz 07/08/19 10:37am Tech Issues
RE: Plug it in or shut it down

Location matters. In the 90s here in central FL, incredibly humid, raining most days. Humidity will destroy the inside of a camper. Mold will grow. I keep the vents shut, and one A/C unit set to 78F. It cycles throughout the day, and very little at night. Our fridge is a residential unit. I start it up about a week before a trip, and often leave it running for a week afterwards. If we have any tropical storms/hurricanes threatening, I'll go ahead and start it, just in case. The smart battery charger keeps my 4 house batteries, and 1 chassis battery, happy and healthy. No overcharging, no self discharging. FWIW, our travel trailer was purchased new in 2006. I kept the A/C running in it also. We are in the process of selling it to our niece. The inside of the camper looks almost new, while the outside has some sun damage.
2manytoyz 07/08/19 10:19am Tech Issues
RE: Daytona/Ormond beach RV parks

We recently stayed at Daytona Speedway RV. It used to be in the KOA network (when we went a few years prior), but it is now a private campground. Very conveniently located, and not a lot of road noise. https://www.daytonaspeedwayrv.com/ Phone: +1 (386) 257-6137 Email: [email protected] Address: 3003 West International Speedway Blvd Daytona Beach, Florida, 32124 The site we picked easily fit our 35' Class A. http://2manytoyz.com/camp/daytona2019/IMG_6522.jpg http://2manytoyz.com/camp/daytona2019/IMG_5569.jpg http://2manytoyz.com/camp/daytona2019/IMG_5567.jpg It's an older campground, but was well maintained. The campground was easy to access, navigate, and depart while towing the Jeep. I have no affiliation with the CG.
2manytoyz 07/08/19 10:09am RV Parks, Campgrounds and Attractions
RE: Tool Boxes - Show me yours please

From your description, it sounds like your cover was fabric. Have you considered a metal rolling cover, like the RollBak G2? I put one on my truck 9 years ago, no regrets. http://www.2manytoyz.com/truck/rollbak/dscn5511.jpg width=640 http://www.2manytoyz.com/truck/rollbak/dscn5508.jpg width=640 http://www.2manytoyz.com/truck/rollbak/dscn5509.jpg width=640 http://www.2manytoyz.com/camp/delaware/dscn6347.jpg width=640 http://www.2manytoyz.com/camp/delaware/dscn6349.jpg width=640 The entire bed can be a toolbox if you so choose. This cover also is a very low profile, attracting little attention. And everything in the bed is out of sight... Happy shopping!
2manytoyz 06/28/19 11:12am Tow Vehicles
RE: Locks on Propane tanks?

The propane tank on our Class A has a door with a lock, so no reason not to lock yours. That will keep the opportunist from taking your tanks, but not someone determined.
2manytoyz 06/28/19 11:00am General RVing Issues
RE: Toad charging line

https://cdn.ajtnt.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/7-Way-RV-Style-Trailer-Plug-Wiring-Diagram-1.png I need to add the extra wire to my TOAD to charge the Jeep's battery when I'm towing it. The RoadMaster Even Brake system has an onboard air compressor, which continues to draw power each time the brakes are activated. On our last trip, I got a warning message on the Even Brake monitor, indicating the vehicle's battery voltage was getting low. Pin 4 is the charge line. Connect that wire to the TOAD's battery, put in an inline fuse at the battery. The Class A will already have a fuse to protect the wiring to the 7 pin connector. But your Honda won't have one it its end if the connector shorts out when disconnected. I never connect anything to a battery without a fuse!
2manytoyz 06/20/19 12:52pm Tech Issues
RE: pressure tank now bad tasting water rubber taste

I wonder if the one you have was intended for drinking water. Pressure tanks also get installed on well water lawn sprinkler systems. Those don't need to be drinking water compatible. Maybe different bladder material is used... just a thought.
2manytoyz 06/20/19 11:53am Travel Trailers
RE: Towing Golf Cart on Utility Trailer

Just a quick note to add that I do put a strap on the seat to hold it down. Mine doesn't have a latch, and could easily come off while being towed. The golf cart spare tire, and utility trailer spare tire, both have a ratchet strap run through them before towing also. Nothing is left loose in the trailer!
2manytoyz 06/20/19 10:42am Towing
RE: Towing Golf Cart on Utility Trailer

I have a 5'x8' utility trailer. My golf cart barely fits lengthwise. I had to remove the aftermarket rear seat, which I'm not using anyway. There's NO PROBLEM towing a utility trailer at highway speeds! The size of the wheels, and wheel bearings, aren't much different than some of the smaller automobiles. The wheel hubs never get more than warm to the touch (normal). The furthest single trip I towed a loaded trailer was 7500 miles. I repacked the wheel bearings myself (old school method), and kept the tires properly inflated. I do bring a spare, but have never needed one in the 30+ years of hauling utility trailers. Different story with my travel trailer though. http://2manytoyz.com/camp/disney2019/IMG_5855.jpg width=640 http://2manytoyz.com/camp/disney2019/IMG_5860.jpg width=640 http://2manytoyz.com/camp/disney2019/IMG_5863.jpg width=640 Off-loading at Disney's Fort Wilderness: http://2manytoyz.com/camp/disney2019/IMG_5278.jpg width=640 I did put a hitch on the back of the golf cart, allowing me to move the trailer at the campground if necessary. Check the torque on the golf cart roof, and any accessories. I'd probably remove the windshield if I still had one. Mine was only held in place with rubber blocks. Moderator edit to re-size pictures to forum recommended limit of 640px maximum width.
2manytoyz 06/19/19 08:44am Towing
RE: New Tires For A Brand New Trailer

I can only tell you about the Goodyear Marathon tires our TT came with. We custom ordered our trailer, brand spanking new from the factory. It weighed 3995 lbs., and had dual axles. 4 tires sharing the weight. The tires were properly inflated, the trailer was level because of the weight distributing hitch, and I kept the speed under 65 MPH, which is the limit for ST rated tires. http://www.2manytoyz.com/camp/delaware/dscn6354.jpg width=640 http://www.2manytoyz.com/camp/delaware/img_2668.jpg width=640 This is one of several blow outs. The tires were less than 5 years old, not sun rotted, not underinflated, not overloaded. These tires are ****, period. You can spend hours on Google reading the other horror stories. Three things happened after this last experience. I started carrying two spare tires, all Goodyear tires were replaced with Maxxis tires, and I started using a TPMS. Zero problems since. FWIW, replacing a tire on the side of a hwy sucks! If you have this brand/model, I'd highly recommend replacing them ASAP. Nothing you can do to improve the situation, short of replacing them. When is a convenient time for one to have a blow-out?... because Murphy says "nah, I have another plan!". Moderator edit to re-size pictures to forum recommended limit of 640px maximum width.
2manytoyz 06/13/19 01:51pm Towing
RE: Slide vs no slide

Our last TT was a 2007 Forest River Rockwood, Model 2502. We ordered/received it in October 2006. Only just now giving it to our niece. The reason we didn't want a slide at the time was the weight limitation on the 2005 Nissan Xterra. It was limited to 5000 lbs. The trailer was a tad under 4000, with all the factory ordered options. The SUV had no problems towing it. Finally traded the SUV at 90K miles for an F150, so we could take more gear. http://2manytoyz.com/rockwood/tow1.jpg http://2manytoyz.com/rockwood/bed1.jpg http://2manytoyz.com/rockwood/interior1s.jpg The downside of not having a slide really didn't bother us until we brought guests. When the couch is folded into a bed, the pathway to the bathroom almost disappears. http://www.2manytoyz.com/camp/sugarloafkey/01314.jpg Nothing like doing the "crab shuffle" down the hallway in the middle of the night. We made it work, but we typically don't take guests. If we did, a slide would be a must have for us if we go back to having a TT.
2manytoyz 06/13/19 01:20pm Travel Trailers
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