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RE: 2022 Ford Super Duty interior?

^^^I really don't notice a whole lot of difference from the '17 to '21. The '21 definitely gets better fuel economy, but the '17 was not good. It looks like the empty highway mileage of the 21 will be 12.6 litres/100 km (18.7 mpg US) compared to 15 L/100 km with the '17. The exhaust brake on the new one is no better than the old one. That's pretty respectable fuel economy for a 1 ton 4x4 pickup. What is your highway RPM's? 1500 rpm puts me at about 118 km/hr (73 mph).
4x4ord 02/28/21 09:49pm Tow Vehicles
RE: Fuel mileage

Exactly. My mileage and power all dropped coming home from FL. Guess you would just deal with it and drive on with fuel prices escalating? Took it in and it was more than just the filters. $160 fixed it though. Exactly what? Traveling from a warm state to where winter fuel is sold, one can expect a drop in mileage. What did you buy for $160? "Took it in" means what or where? Exactly. :)
4x4ord 02/28/21 12:35pm Fifth-Wheels
RE: 2022 Ford Super Duty interior?

^^^I really don't notice a whole lot of difference from the '17 to '21. The '21 definitely gets better fuel economy, but the '17 was not good. It looks like the empty highway mileage of the 21 will be 12.6 litres/100 km (18.7 mpg US) compared to 15 L/100 km with the '17. The exhaust brake on the new one is no better than the old one.
4x4ord 02/28/21 11:52am Tow Vehicles
RE: Fuel mileage

I completed my first trip towing a tandem dually gooseneck with my 2021 F350. 1100 km round trip. Got about 12 mpg one way with the deck empty and 6.9 mpg loaded coming back. (US gallons)
4x4ord 02/28/21 07:51am Fifth-Wheels
RE: Fuel mileage

I don't fret over my MPG, but I do monitor it because a sudden drop can indicate a problem that might be resolved before becoming something serious. My guess is if you are concerned about fuel economy for the reason you say, it will more likely cost you money than save you. It’s very unlikely that you will ever have anything serious go wrong with your engine. The chance of something happening to it that will cause the mileage to drop off significantly before causing something serious to happen is almost zero. The chance of seeing your mileage vary on the other hand is not that unlikely. So what are you going to do if suddenly your mileage drops 15% and you can’t come up with an explanation? Bring it to the dealer so they can change your air and fuel filters, tell you everything checks out and charge you $500.
4x4ord 02/28/21 07:39am Fifth-Wheels
RE: 2022 Ford Super Duty interior?

^^^^No I’ve sold the ‘17. I think my 2021 Platinum could be sold for 85k .... I’m probably being conservative.
4x4ord 02/27/21 09:19pm Tow Vehicles
RE: 2022 Ford Super Duty interior?

I was told he 2023 Super Duty gets the F150 interior and that the 2023 will be available fairly early in 2022.
4x4ord 02/26/21 09:40pm Tow Vehicles
RE: 2022 Ford Super Duty interior?

I've been wondering the same thing. Supposedly they are cutting off new orders on 3/15 for 2021's. I've read rumors of an update for 2022, and 2023. I wish they would update the interio for 2022, that is the part of the truck that needs help. I like the Ram and Chevy interiors better, but really want the new 7.3 and 10spd. I'd think that if it was gonna be 2022 we would have seen some pics somewhere by now, but I'm hoping they go ahead and update. I'm probably gonna buy a new truck in the next year, my 2002 is about ready for retirement.I would assume the next-gen Super Duty's will eventually get the F150 interiors, just like they did in 2017. Ref your comment about interiors, most trade journals seem to favor the Ram interior. Ford feels the need to "picture frame" or exaggerate every part of the dash (especially with the new '21 F150)---forming IMO an overly modular, blocky appearance. Ram has a much more smooth, seamless transition from one part of the dash to another. We're also going to be in the market for a new 1-ton truck about a year from now. We're hoping Ram starts using the 1500's new crew cab and a 10-speed behind the Cummins by MY 2023. If not, we'll probably be looking hard at the next gen F350's instead. The Cummins does not require a ten speed to compete with Ford and GM ..... 4 more gears behind the Cummins would actually make it less desirable for me . The Laramie Limited is a very nice interior. I found the layout of the controls a little better in the Ram. Ram’s visibility out the windshield and over the hood is worse. It might sound silly but the thing that I would miss most going from Ford to Ram is the towing mirrors. I can’t believe Ram doesn’t copy Ford’s mirrors.
4x4ord 02/26/21 09:16pm Tow Vehicles
RE: 2022 Ford Super Duty interior?

Why not buy a new 2021 Super Duty and then replace it when the 2023's come out? Ah Sure, You payin? What a dumb comment... How do YOU know anyones financial situation? I don't know his financial situation. I simply asked a question. I guess it depends on how well you do on your buying and selling but in my case the longer I keep a truck the more it costs me to own. Want to compare money spent for nearly 23 years on two trucks that I have owned . 16 years with a new 1999 Superduty 350, nearly 7 years with a 2014 Ram 3500 . Lets see what we come up with , want to bet who has spent the most. :) On edit , I am willing to bet I spent less on those two trucks ,then you have spent on just the one ,and if not mistaken you got a new 2021 or one coming ?? Our total costs might not be that much different. I didn't buy anything around 1999 but I did buy a new truck in 2011, 2016, 2017, 2021. If I could sell the one in my garage for $85k (and I'm certain I could) I'd be out $20k over the past 10 years... $2000 CAD/year. I'm going to guess if you sold the one in your garage you'd get about 15k less than what you paid for it in 2014.... so about $2140 USD/year. And you've likely spent a little more on things like tires, oil changes and repairs than I have. On the other hand, we have to recognize that mine has cost me a little more on the opportunity cost of the additional money I have had tied up in a truck.
4x4ord 02/26/21 11:35am Tow Vehicles
RE: 2022 Ford Super Duty interior?

Why not buy a new 2021 Super Duty and then replace it when the 2023's come out? Ah Sure, You payin? What a dumb comment... How do YOU know anyones financial situation? I don't know his financial situation. I simply asked a question. I guess it depends on how well you do on your buying and selling but in my case the longer I keep a truck the more it costs me to own.
4x4ord 02/26/21 09:14am Tow Vehicles
RE: F series recalls

Notice how they're saying with the wrong payload stickers, "Loading to those values may exceed the gross vehicle weight rating or gross axle weight rating, which may result in suspension overload and increased stopping distance, increasing the risk of a crash." but they aren't saying anything could break which says to me these trucks and their components can handle a lot more weight than what they say but it's just not safe because of increased stopping distances which could cause a crash. Interesting. I've had up to 11,000 lbs on the pin of my F350 SRW and nothing broke. I can't even imagine worrying over a couple thousand lbs or so over payload.
4x4ord 02/25/21 10:09am Tow Vehicles
RE: Why is 5th wheel standard vs Gooseneck?

As well as some of the reasons already mentioned favouring 5th wheel hitch I think making a hitching error with a ball hitch is more likely than with a 5th wheel coupler. It seems like you have never hitched a gooseneck. You can't make a mistake. You drop the hitch on the ball and lock it in, you can't forget the jaws or have the jaws only latch part way. They also can't come undone. The ball is on there and the weight of the trailer holds it on. Not saying if you forget to lock it in, a bounce couldn't bounce it off, but just saying easier to hitch than a 5th wheel. I have moved my gooseneck trailer without latching it because it isn't going anywhere. I have both a gooseneck horse trailer and a 5th wheel camper. I can say that they are different in the way the hitch and haul. I totally agree with everyone that says the frame of the 5th wheel can not withstand the force of the pull direction from the gooseneck hitch. I looked at both hitch types initially but a friend told me they bent their frame with a gooseneck adapter and their trailer is smaller than mine. I went with the B&W companion and can remove it to hitch the gooseneck. I also have a clean bed when the hitch is removed so best of both worlds. The only complaint is the weight of the base of the B&W. But, I can lift it and move it forward to haul the gooseneck or remove it if I won't be hauling the 5th wheel for a while. It's removed all winter. The experience I have, I would not use a gooseneck adapter. Now if someone can just come up with a way I can haul both trailers at the same time, I would be in heaven. I tow more gooseneck trailers than fifth wheels. You mention the problem with the gooseneck ..... forget to lock the ball. Or intentionally not lock the ball. There is also the possibility of accidentally using a 2 5/15 ball on a 3 inch coupler. I was lazy once and didn’t lock the ball on a gooseneck that I was just going to move a few feet. Turns out I got stuck .... then pulled on the front of my truck and the coupler bounced off the ball. I was fortunate that minimal damage was done.
4x4ord 02/23/21 03:43am Fifth-Wheels
RE: Ford 7.3 Gas motor

^^^^You're right the F250 is either 3.55 or 4.30 and the F350 is either 3.73 or 4.30. I find that a little surprising but I guess it kind of makes sense.
4x4ord 02/22/21 02:56pm Tow Vehicles
RE: Ford 7.3 Gas motor

Yes, bought a 2021 F250 7.3 and tow a 30 ft 7600# trailer with full fresh water tank rendering a 1200# tounge. The 7.3 paired with the 10spd transmission has exceeded expectation, especially in steep mountains where my previous 2500 struggled mightily. In tow mode, the transmission utilizes all gears 1-8 and locks out 9 and 10. Driver can also lockout gears on the fly making hilly country a breeze. I chose 3.55 gears and occasionally see over 17 mpg on long highway trips and 10-11 towing in the hills, impressive. Heavy towing, I'd opted for 4.30 gears. I'm confident this 7.3 is going to prove to be a very durable engine with low maintenance costs as it's a simple design. Time will tell but a very satisfied Superduty owner. The 7.3 is available with 3.73 or 4.30 gears. I can’t see any reason for getting 4.30 gears. I think if I was towing less than 12 k lbs I’d want 3.73 gears and towing over 12k I’d probably want a diesel even though I’m sure the 7.3 would do.
4x4ord 02/22/21 08:23am Tow Vehicles
RE: Why is 5th wheel standard vs Gooseneck?

As well as some of the reasons already mentioned favouring 5th wheel hitch I think making a hitching error with a ball hitch is more likely than with a 5th wheel coupler.
4x4ord 02/20/21 12:45am Fifth-Wheels
RE: Why is 5th wheel standard vs Gooseneck?

Why is a gooseneck harder on the trailer frame than a 5er? Is it because the length of the neck down to the ball is longer than a 5er? We are thinking of going from a TT to a 5er, and just trying to learn. It isn't with a modern gooseneck adaptor like a Reese Goose Box. The Goose Box puts the same torsion on a 5ver frame as any other design goose neck adapter.
4x4ord 02/20/21 12:41am Fifth-Wheels
RE: Towing Limits of 7.3 Powerstroke

Your upgrades .... exhaust brake, turbo, additional power and transmission, plus the fact that you've got a dually should allow you to very easily handle a 13k 5ver. I would consider a 13k 5ver a light trailer. If you have a gear that will put your engine at an rpm where it makes 400 HP @ 55 mph you will be able to maintain that 55 mph up a 7% grade towing 13k lbs. I agree ,but if you have dealt much towing fairly heavy with a 7.3 the ETG's are the limiting factor. I dealt with it nearly the whole time I owned that truck ,nearly 16 years . A stock 7.3 just doesn't have it for a heavier fifth wheel , unless you do some mods. I did a few ,and it did help, but the ETG's were the limiting factor, as said it had it there ,but the ETG's would climb up over 1200 degrees ,and I had to get out of the throttle. Back when the 7.3 was very popular ,and new, ETG's were always a subject on the forums . Water injection, bigger intercoolers etc to deal with it. I know very little about the 7.3 diesel and you're absolutely right that EGTs are often the limiting factor pulling grades. Even though the OP has upgraded his turbo, he may or may not be gaining a whole lot as far a EGTs are concerned, because he is also adding fuel .... he's going to need to be watching his pyrometer. I would think 1200* is a very safe level to run the EGT to, so ong as it is being measured pre turbo. I ran my Duramax to 1400 at times and as far as I know it never hurt anything.
4x4ord 02/18/21 09:18am Fifth-Wheels
RE: Towing Limits of 7.3 Powerstroke

Your upgrades .... exhaust brake, turbo, additional power and transmission, plus the fact that you've got a dually should allow you to very easily handle a 13k 5ver. I would consider a 13k 5ver a light trailer. If you have a gear that will put your engine at an rpm where it makes 400 HP @ 55 mph you will be able to maintain that 55 mph up a 7% grade towing 13k lbs.
4x4ord 02/17/21 01:08pm Fifth-Wheels
RE: Signs of Cognitive Decline

I probably shouldn’t talk as I’m about at the point where I can hide my own Easter eggs but this thread reminds me of being at a family function when my sister realized she had misplaced her baby. With panic in her voice she shrieked “where is Jack, has anyone seen Jack”. In near disbelief my wife reminded her, “you’re nursing him”.
4x4ord 02/15/21 02:16pm Around the Campfire
RE: Ford Super Duty Owner's Manual

I find it intriguing that everytime I purchase a new truck that the maintenance intervals have increased substantially. My 2021 SD manual is saying 150K antifreeze....something we use to change annually. Is a periodic test and coolant additive recharge required?
4x4ord 02/13/21 10:44am Tow Vehicles
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