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RE: New 5th Wheel Manufacturer

I still like the Riverstone. Although the one we love is 43’ long, I just wish they made the floor plan at under 40’. Oh well, looks like I’m getting the 43’-er. ;)
AirSupport 12/27/19 07:50am Fifth-Wheels
RE: California Non-commercial class A license ***New question***

Double towing can only be done with a commercial class A with double/triple endorsement. Then, the combination can only be 65’ bumper to bumper. Good info. However the double trailer rig I mentioned that I saw today was absolutely longer than 65’ total. I’m sure that many cops don’t know the law, or they just overlook it for an RVer. Personally, I never even blinked an eye nor was a stickler for certain vehicle code obscurities.
AirSupport 12/26/19 09:37pm Fifth-Wheels
RE: California Non-commercial class A license ***New question***

Is Class A what you need for double towing as well under 65 feet total? Good question because the Cal DMV website quick-chart doesn’t say.... https://www.dmv.ca.gov/portal/dmv/detail/pubs/cdl_htm/lic_chart I thought it was illegal to tow BEHIND a fiver in Cali but I saw one today on the 22fwy in Garbage Grove. It was towing a flatbed trailer with a sand rail on it. It was behind an older Grand Design trailer.
AirSupport 12/26/19 07:31pm Fifth-Wheels
RE: California Non-commercial class A license ***New question***

So, you have to: Or borrow or rent a trailer from a person, dealership, rental to take your test with and then go get your trailer cross country. How about this... Can I borrow you and your trailer? You seem very helpful and willing. Aaaaagain sir, finding a simple little car to take a class-C driver's test is super easy. Everybody (friends, family members, driving schools etc...) has one or more cars available everywhere. Basic driving schools for a class-C are everywhere. That's not the issue. The issue is finding a viable source with the equipment to go and take the test. I don't know why you keep brining this "Class-C" comparison up, because it's not germane to the issue at hand of acquiring a non-com class-A. I like the idea of hiring a driver that others have suggested. Like I said earlier, I do have a Class-A driver that I know, however even paying him for the time to travel across the country or halfway up the state for a California RV dealer is a snafu. I fully admit however that I have no other alternative and I'll just deal with it. But again, it still sucks how there's no other option. For instance, if one wants a pilot's license, the student pays for lessons, and instructor and for aircraft rental for the FAA check ride. Not so for a non-com Class A license that I have found anyway. It's a "smoother" journey to get licensed by the FAA than it is for getting a license to pull a heavy fiver in Cali. Hence the reason why I say Cali is "jacked up." ...How much would you charge me for your time and trailer rental???
AirSupport 12/18/19 05:16pm Fifth-Wheels
RE: California Non-commercial class A license ***New question***

Very interesting read everyone. I am going to call AAA tomorrow morning and ascertain if they know of a driving school that's willing to get one a "non-commercial Class-A" license class. I would LOVE to have that license FIRST and before I make the purchase of my new heavy fiver. The one I want is almost $8,000 less in another state, than here in crappy california. Only thing is, I would need to drive across the country to get it and I need my non-com class A!! My catch-22 is that I can't get my non-com CDL unless I show up with the heavy fiver and my truck!!! Many I HATE California! Ahhhh, cali is sooooooo jacked up! Not sure how that is jacked up... in order to take the driving test for driving a big 5er, you need to have a big 5er to take the test with. Not any different than having to have a car in order to take the driving test to get your standard license. Or to have a motorcycle to take the driving test in order to get your motorcycle license. Somehow I think that's the same in every state. In order to get a specific driver license you have to have the specific vehicle with which to take the driving test. It’s jacked up because of a catch-22 situation. 1). I can’t get a non-com Class-A unless I provide the appropriate trailer. However I can’t go out and buy the trailer and take it to the test unless I possess a Class A. 2). I know of no school in SoCal that offers a Non-com class-A course which would allow me to pay a rental fee and use the school’s vehicles for the test. 3). If I try to rent a big trailer for the dmv test, the rental place mandates that I already possess a class-A (commercial or non commercial). 4). comparing this situation with a regular class C drivers test is like comparing apples to Zebras. Not everyone has access to vehicles that fall into the non-com Class-A mandate. However literally all of us can go rent a car or have family that already owns a car to take to the DMV for a test. I have zero contacts nor resources of anyone that owns, let alone allow me to borrow their big trailer that meets the non-com class A license requirement. 5). The trailer I want is available across the country at a price that is almost $8,000 less than if I bought it in Cali. How do I go and pick it up and bring it back to Cali legally and use it for the DMV test if I can’t get the Class A to begin with? Again, this is the government “helping” us subjects. It would be very simple if trucking schools offered a non-commercial class -A course and vehicle rental for the day of the test, but they don’t. I called three in the LA area and all three said no. So yeah, the process of wanting to be in compliance with the California law is indeed jacked up.
AirSupport 12/18/19 08:36am Fifth-Wheels
RE: California Non-commercial class A license ***New question***

Very interesting read everyone. I am going to call AAA tomorrow morning and ascertain if they know of a driving school that's willing to get one a "non-commercial Class-A" license class. I would LOVE to have that license FIRST and before I make the purchase of my new heavy fiver. The one I want is almost $8,000 less in another state, than here in crappy california. Only thing is, I would need to drive across the country to get it and I need my non-com class A!! My catch-22 is that I can't get my non-com CDL unless I show up with the heavy fiver and my truck!!! Many I HATE California! Ahhhh, cali is sooooooo jacked up! You don't have to take the test with a 5th Wheel over 15k GVWR. A Travel Trailer over 10k GVWR qualifies for the Non Commercial A test also. If you know someone who has a Travel Trailer over 10k GVWR, ask if you can use their trailer for the test. That’s good to know. I will check in that. Thank you.
AirSupport 12/18/19 08:19am Fifth-Wheels
RE: California Non-commercial class A license ***New question***

Very interesting read everyone. I am going to call AAA tomorrow morning and ascertain if they know of a driving school that's willing to get one a "non-commercial Class-A" license class. I would LOVE to have that license FIRST and before I make the purchase of my new heavy fiver. The one I want is almost $8,000 less in another state, than here in crappy california. Only thing is, I would need to drive across the country to get it and I need my non-com class A!! My catch-22 is that I can't get my non-com CDL unless I show up with the heavy fiver and my truck!!! Many I HATE California! Ahhhh, cali is sooooooo jacked up!
AirSupport 12/17/19 07:06pm Fifth-Wheels
RE: California Non-commercial class A license ***New question***

Thanks! Clarification. Not commercial or LOOKING commercial. Anyone been ticketed for hauling a heavy 5er in CA with a standard SRW/DRW pickup for not having proper endorsement. A friend was riding with someone pulling a large 5ver several years ago coming back from a NASCAR race. They were pulled over for speeding and the CHP Officer found out that the driver had a Class B license which does not cover a 5ver over 15k GVWR. The officer told him he would have to get someone with the proper license, or drop the trailer and it would be towed by a Tow Truck. My friend had a Class A Commercial License so they were allowed to proceed. No ticket for out of Class for the original driver, but not allowed to proceed unless a driver with the proper license was behind the wheel. A lot of regular CHP Officers are not aware of the license requirements for towing the heavier 5th Wheels, but that appears to be changing. I've talked with several before I got my Non Commercial Class A 5 years ago, who told me to ask the Commercial Officers as they weren't sure on how to answer my questions. The Commercial Officers knew and had the answers. Recently while driving my Company Truck, a SRW F350 with Utility Bed, I was directed to pull into a random roadside truck inspection in the Rocklin area. The Inspector asked for Drivers License, Registration, and Insurance which I provided. He came back in about 5 minutes, and returned all my documentation and said I was the first Non Commercial A License he's seen doing any of this type of work. Not many have the License, and there are many who don't know about it or choose to ignore it. Wow, interesting story. Thanks for sharing that ! I made up my mind that I will definitely get my class A non commercial. I found out I have a cousin that has a commercial Class A ans he said he will accompany me for all of my trailer needs when time comes to DMV testing and licking it up from the dealer.
AirSupport 12/15/19 03:38pm Fifth-Wheels
RE: California Non-commercial class A license ***New question***

So, here's a fly to toss in the ointment. If you're a CA resident and want to get the non-com'l Class A, can you have your buddy from AZ drive your rig to CA DMV, even though he doesn't have the non-com'l Class A, since it's not required here? Lyle That’s a good question. Not a lawyer here but since Cali recognizes vehicle code reciprocity from other out of state “residents,” I’d say it’s legal. As long as your buddy has a valid AZ drivers license and is a current “resident” of AZ, just visiting down here. Only problem is, trying to convince a Cali DMV employee that you’re all legal with your AZ pseudo-class A driver present with you. As others stated, many dmv employees don’t know the technical side of some laws.
AirSupport 12/14/19 12:15pm Fifth-Wheels
RE: California Non-commercial class A license ***New question***

"Dodge 3500 4x4 crew cab dually that has a GVWR of 14,000lbs" No such thing! I found that number on the Dodge truck website after clicking “build your truck.” I out all the option I wanted on it as far as engine, bed length rear axle (dually) and driveline. It clearly came up with “GVWR 14,000.” Maybe I’m reading it wrong, but I’ve done it several times and it’s always the same. There is no such thing as a DODGE that's rated at 14k. I "think the 2012 DRW Dodge trucks were GVWR 12,500 or so pounds. Someone please correct me. Now there are RAM's that are rated at 14k. DODGE trucks Legally died at the end of the 2012 model year. 2013 model year is when they Legally became RAM with 14k GVWR. I go to the Dodge.com website and click the “Ram Trucks” button. “Dodge,” “Dodge Ram,” or just “Ram,” and we all know that it’s the same darn thing. It’s just a marketing play on words.
AirSupport 12/14/19 10:03am Fifth-Wheels
RE: California Non-commercial class A license ***New question***

"Dodge 3500 4x4 crew cab dually that has a GVWR of 14,000lbs" No such thing! I found that number on the Dodge truck website after clicking “build your truck.” I put all the options I wanted on it as far as engine, bed length rear axle (dually), factory installed rear axle air bags and driveline. It clearly came up with “GVWR 14,000.” I was shocked too but that’s what comes up. Correct me if I’m wrong, it that number is what the truck is capable of hauling, not its actual weight off the dealer’s lot, right??? Maybe I’m reading it wrong, but I’ve done it several times and it’s always the same. Never the less and from what I understand, DMV goes by GVWR (what it’s capable of hauling) and not what it’s actual weight is, when setting limitations on vehicles. I just wondered if my GVWR COMBINED with truck and fiver and exceeded 26,000lbs, would I then need maybe some other life fe class or endorsement. Thanks again all. I’ve learned a lot from some experts here on this thread.
AirSupport 12/13/19 11:39am Fifth-Wheels
RE: California Non-commercial class A license ***New question***

So, Been a LEO (not local PD or Sheriff) for the past 25 years and hold a commercial class A license. Been through each scenario that has been spoken about on this thread. Allow me to substantiate most of what is being said. Driver’s license violations are essentially a secondary violation. Meaning, I can’t stop you just because I want to see if your properly licensed. A license check point IS constitutional if it is in conjunction with a DUI checkpoint. If it is legal in your state, then reciprocity is extended in CA (unless your a cheater and operating in commerce). Most DMV employees and Leo’s (not all) generally do not understand the complexities of licensing requirements nor actually know what licenses, endorsements or restrictions are available and what is required depending on equipment. But, if need be, they will seek resources. A sales person will sell you anything and not really care how you are licensed. A non commercial class A is only good for driving/pulling an RV not for hire (what about these people that deliver an RV from a dealer. They need a commercial class A). Almost every horse person with a horse trailer with or without quarters does not have a proper license (I have yet to find a properly licensed operator in all my years with few exception). You must have a commercial class A license with double endorsement to pull more than one trailer in CA. 65’ is the statutory length limitation in CA for any combination of vehicles (doubles can be 75’ but no RV combination can meet the parameters). Finally, yes, You must bring an appropriately licensed operator to your drive test or you will fail your test attempt and potentially be cited. Driving out of class is an infraction (unless hazmat) and driving without a proper endorsement can be a “ fix it” ticket or regular infraction. More importantly, driving out of class is an automatic out of service order. Meaning, at worst your vehicle can be impounded or (least) placed out of service until deemed to be in compliance. Like dropping a trailer or obtaining a properly licensed operator. This stuff is no joke. It can be costly, unsafe, inconvenient and will certainly ruin a vacation. Do it right and get properly educated, trained, licensed and insured. It’s the only way to be confident, responsible and safe. That will help ensure you enjoy your road trip. 94, Thanks for the 411. Another question which I wasn’t able to find an answer for... in Cali is there anything special about pulling a fifth wheel with a typical “dually” (Ford, Dodge, GM) where the combined weight of the two mandates any other licensing requirements? Reason I ask is I read in another forum someone claiming this, but ther person didn’t cite a vehicle code. The thread was over 8 years old and there was no other details. My plan was to get a new Dodge 3500 4x4 crew cab dually that has a GVWR of 14,000lbs (according the the website) and the fifth wheel we love is around 19,000lbs GVWR. Total combined GVWR = 33,000lbs. THE DMV licensing class chart doesn’t mention anything about a combined fifth wheel and truck weight, so I figured I’m good to go with just a non-commercial Class-A, right? (If you know). Many Thanks in advance.
AirSupport 12/13/19 01:05am Fifth-Wheels
RE: California Non-commercial class A license ***New question***

Well thanks for all the advice folks. I’m just going to find someone to accompany me from the dealer’s lot to storage. Then from storage to DMV when I’m ready for the test.
AirSupport 12/10/19 10:53pm Fifth-Wheels
California Non-commercial class A license ***New question***

Pretty old topic in general and yes I did use the SEARCH feature here for an answer, but didn’t find one. Any experience/help on this matter is greatly appreciated. The 5ver I want is a Riverstone Legacy around 18,000+ GVWR. So I know I MUST get a “non commercial class-A license” Here in Cali (no, I can’t move). However, according to DMV literature on their website, it states that I must bring in the truck and trailer I want to be licensed for p, in order to take the driving portion of the class-A test. They say to have a Class-A driver drive my rig for me because I’m not yet licensed. The question is, how on earth is one supposed to buy a heavy trailer from a dealership and drive it off to one’s storage facility if one can’t find a Class A driver??? The issue is DMV will NOT ALLOW one to take the test without the indeed heavy truck and trailer set-up already in possession. Bottom line, I can’t get the proper class license without having the trailer first, but I can’t get the trailer without having the proper license. What a PITA! Anybody else go through this experience? It sure would be nice if DMV gave us a temporary permit to at least pick up the new trailer, drive directly to storage and then don’t drive it again on public roads until the day of the DMV test. Unless I’m missing a loop hole here on this, how did you all do this process here in CALIFORNIA when you started out with a heavier than 15K lbs 5ver? I suspect many just rolled the dice and drove off the lot with their new rig and did what they had to do. I’m really confused on what to do. Do I just go get the trailer anyway and bring it to storage and then the day of the DMV test, pay someone with a Class A license to drive it to the DMV for me? I don’t mind finding a driver for one day at the DMV, but going long distance to a dealer when buying it, maybe even out of state and finding a driver would be unrealistic I think. If it’s what I have to do, then so be it I will. But if there’s any other option acceptable with the state that I haven’t discovered, please tell me your secret to this State “mess.”
AirSupport 12/07/19 11:09am Fifth-Wheels
RE: Oxygenics Fury RV Handheld Shower

Shower head heretic here. A shower head is a shower head. Some have one spray, others have multiple sprays. There's nothing magical that makes an Oxygenic any better or worse than any other brand. It's just another shower head. Completely false.
AirSupport 12/01/19 08:48pm General RVing Issues
RE: Ram box on short bed - ill-advised for towing a 5th wheel?

Just curious, what is the advantage of a 6' bed VS an 8' bed. The 8' bed eliminates all the issues of the trailer hitting the cab of the truck. Well after towing a fiver with a “standard” bed 2500HD for 11 years, we just bought a new 43’ fiver and a 3500HD diesel dually with the long bed. We travel all over the USA. I can tell you that the long bed dually towing is far nicer than my short bed towing. Yeah it’s long, but we travel without white knuckling and just go to places that will accommodate us. Nothing is perfect, but we are content. I’d NEVER go back to a “standard” (short) bed dually ever again. Besides, we enjoy walking further in parking lots when we are unhitched. Walking forces us to stay youthful. I refuse to ever get a handicapped placard for as long as I live.
AirSupport 12/01/19 08:42pm Fifth-Wheels
RE: best 5th wheel hitch for std. bed 2500HD Chevy

I use an engine stand and lifting bracket bought from etrailer.com to get it out when needed. ...because everyone has an engine stand just laying around the garage. :)
AirSupport 11/14/19 12:42am Tech Issues
RE: Wheel Bearings

Replace the wheel bearing. Why not, they're super cheap! Replace all of them at the same time. Just my recommendation. Again, the bearings themselves are an inexpensive cost to your expensive 5er
AirSupport 11/14/19 12:30am Fifth-Wheels
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