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RE: 4 Kids - Quad Bunk with Ford Expedition?

I was in your same situation. We have 4 kids (actually 5, long story). They are 6, 3, 3, and an infant. We bought a KZ SPORTSMEN SE 301BHSE due to the quad bunks. Nice for every kid to have their own bed especially as they get older. We have a 2017 Expedition with the HD tow package. The expedition can tow the TT but it was white knuckling entire time. We even got a Propride 3 WDH. I posted a thread in the towing vehicles thread about a month ago and got good advice. We considered a Ford Excursion and Suburban 2500. Most excursions were rough on the inside and the suburbans back seat is tight and likely fits two comfortably. Most also had high mileage. After thinking about it, we got a 2015 F250 and what a difference. F250 tows the TT with ease. Passing semis and windy days are no problem. We got a 40/20/40 front seat and our 6 year old sits there. We went on a 4 hour trip and we all had plenty of space. Never felt cramped. Only concern is electric break is sort of in middle dashboard console by my sons feet, but we didn’t need to use it with a 3/4 ton truck. I think you need to consider vehicle payload, rear axle weight, and hitch weight. With our expedition, we exceeded all three of those once packed in and hooked up. For a quad bunk, you’re likely looking at a similar situation. I also learned we were a little hitch heavy, and I’ve since fixed some of that. I personally wasn’t comfortable exceeding all weight limits and white knuckling it places. Most of our trips are only a few hours, so having someone in middle bench seat isn’t a big deal. We could also take two vehicles if needed. If you plan on taking far trips, I can understand not wanting someone in front middle. I was same way until I test drove one. If not, consider it. If truck is out, look at Excursions, suburban 2500, or a 3/4 or 1 ton van (my wife nixed van..). An expedition can tow a quad bunk, but not as easy as the vehicles I mentioned. I’m also a newb to TT and towing large things. The confidence a 3/4 ton vehicle gives me is priceless.
Andrewmart 07/14/20 05:17am Travel Trailers
RE: CAT Scale results - advice needed

Sorry for the delay in responding. Lots of changes in our family (for the good). Grit dog, sorry I missed your post earlier. I did not like how the TT was towing. That’s what made me question my setup, hitch, TV, etc. I’ve learned a lot from all of ya’ll here. It’s very much appreciated for a newb. To update, I got a 2015 F250 gasser w/ 8 foot bed. Picked it up last Friday and got it all set up with the Propride hitch etc. Man, what a difference in towing. It was night and day. Took it for a trip this week, and it towed flawless. Not much tug/pull going on, and semis passed me with no movement. The new vehicle also helped w/ my peace of mind, and I was much less stressed driving. This tow was mostly single lane roads with lots of hills so I was averaging about 55-60. We leave soon for a beach trip where it will be all highway miles. I’ll have a better feel of how it travels going 60-65 but I’m not anxious (like I was before). I’ve also shifted weight around in the TT to reduce hitch weight. The major things I did was moving propane tanks to rear axle when travel and putting all our clothes and ice chest in TT too. I will take it to a CAT scale soon to get actual numbers, but it’ll only be semi accurate. CAT scale trips are usually just me. It’s hard to get the entire family and TT loaded for a CAT scale trip.
Andrewmart 06/27/20 05:52pm Towing
RE: CAT Scale results - advice needed

Thanks for the tips. Thinking about it, all our weight was in the front of the TT when I went to the CAT scale. When we travel, I put our ice chest, clothes, etc over the rear axles to help offset the weight in the front, but since we were not traveling I did not do that. Definitely something I'm glad I did and learned about how hitch weight is impacted when all weight is in front storage. I'm planning on putting our canopy and chairs under the dining room storage. We will also put all our clothes/suitcases over the rear axle wheels when towing. This should help make hitch weight better. Question about towing with a truck. We are getting a f250 with 8 foot bed. I'm planning on putting things in the bed of the truck like our ice chest, bikes, etc. I'm assuming the truck bed weight will just go toward the TV rear axle weight with some redistributed to the front with WDH and not hitch weight, right? Thanks again for all ya'lls help and advice!
Andrewmart 06/16/20 02:46pm Towing
RE: Need tow vehicle - preferably under 10k

So after thinking it over, we are gonna go with a 3/4 truck. Looking at a 2013-2016 either ram 2500 or Ford f250. I'm assuming all of those would be capable of towing our TT with a ProPride hitch. I've run the numbers and we are well within payload, hitch and total towing capacity. Will this type of truck make the drive better?
Andrewmart 06/15/20 04:25pm Tow Vehicles
RE: CAT Scale results - advice needed

Thanks for the advice. It makes sense! I've been toying with the idea of getting a 3/4 ton vehicle to tow our vehicle, so it might just be time to do it. I was initially worried about our payload being near the max, but now I have to worry about the hitch weight max. I'm looking at a lightly used F250, which will drastically increase my payload and also push my hitch weight to around 1250-1400#. I started another thread on the towing vehicles forum last week. I will also shift little weight around in my trailer, because I want a lower hitch weight regardless of the vehicle. We do not have any outdoor rear storage compartments, so we'll have to just put things inside the TT.
Andrewmart 06/15/20 02:15pm Towing
RE: CAT Scale results - advice needed

I am not weight police this is just food for thought. I would double check the rating of the oem hitch setup. The 2017 expedition brochure states max tongue weight with a WDH is 920/930 lbs. 1300 lbs is about 40% over that rating. While I personally am not opposed to going over a rating to a certain degree 40% to me personally is beyond what I would be willing to exceed any rating. Is the hitch weight constant regardless of where it's located? If I move the propane tanks (about 70 lbs total) and move heavy things toward the rear of the truck, would that reduce the overall hitch weight? Or is the hitch weight going to be 1300 regardless of where the weight is? Regardless, I think shaving off 300# off hitch weight is going to be hard.
Andrewmart 06/15/20 11:59am Towing
RE: CAT Scale results - advice needed

As far as trying to lighten the tongue weight as you asked about the only thing to do is move more cargo towards the rear of the trailer. While I am unfamiliar with your trailer do the above scale weight include water in your tank? If not you might try adding water to your tank as many times they are behind the axle and will lower your tongue weight to a degree (obviously overall weight will increase though) . It wont be lb for lb but it may help in addition to moving more cargo to the rear. Or if it was weighed with water you might try with less water as the tank may be above or forward of the axle. I personally don't travel with much water at least if where I am going I know I can fill it there I am not weight police this is just food for thought. I would double check the rating of the oem hitch setup. The 2017 expedition brochure states max tongue weight with a WDH is 920/930 lbs. 1300 lbs is about 40% over that rating. While I personally am not opposed to going over a rating to a certain degree 40% to me personally is beyond what I would be willing to exceed any rating. Thanks. Do my numbers look possible/accurate? Could I have measured it wrong, and it is not that heavy?
Andrewmart 06/15/20 11:42am Towing
RE: CAT Scale results - advice needed

I just remembered that the TV weight alone might be affected by gas. I weighted that this morning after filling up the tank. *insert face palm pic* I probably put in about 15 gallons of gas. I didn't have time to weight it when I did the other ones because I had been fixing my Propride3 for a few hours before finally getting to the CAT scale, and my 6 yo was tired and wanted to go home by that time. I live about 20 minutes away, so decided to sneak away early this morning before everyone woke up.
Andrewmart 06/15/20 09:18am Towing
RE: CAT Scale results - advice needed

Those are the correct numbers. Not sure how it added 2000#, but I'm assuming 1300# of tongue weight/TT and then about 700# was redistributed from the steer axles because the rear was weighted down?
Andrewmart 06/15/20 08:41am Towing
CAT Scale results - advice needed

Took my TV and TT to the scales and have some results. TV - 2017 Expedition w/ HD Tow package TT - 3101 BHSE (dry weight of 6100, hitch weight of 890) Using ProPride 1400# hitch. Using 2 washers on the hitch pin. Vehicle weights: TV only Steer Axle: 2840 Rear Axle: 3220 TT: 6840 TV and TT (no WDH) Steer Axle: 2100 Rear Axle: 5260 TT Axle: 5540 Total: 12900 TV and TT (WDH 7 inches) Steer Axle: 2600 Rear Axle: 4580 TT Axle: 5720 Total: 12900 TV and TT (WDH 7.5 inches) Steer Axle: 2600 Rear Axle: 4560 TT Axle: 5740 Total: 12900 I entered my data on the towing planner website and got a tongue weight of 1300# and 19%. This is much higher than I thought. Any thoughts on how to bring that down? My thoughts are to change the Propride and either adding 1 or 2 more washers into the hitch tilt pin or maybe also adjusting the height of the hitch bar. I don't have much room to increase the WD jack heights. Any other thoughts of how to adjust weight? Maybe shift some weight in the TT from the front storage area toward the rear axles. In our trailer, the dining table is right over rear axles. I can probably fit some heavier things in that spot pretty snuggle so they wouldn't shift (e.g., ice chest, canopy, chairs, etc). Also, note that this trip to the scale did not include about 350# of passengers. My wife and little kids were not in the car. Thanks in advance for your thoughts and help!
Andrewmart 06/15/20 08:23am Towing
RE: Need tow vehicle - preferably under 10k

https://youtu.be/2T3gpJJaC08 Here is a link he sent me. Could it be aftermarket mods?
Andrewmart 06/10/20 09:50am Tow Vehicles
RE: Need tow vehicle - preferably under 10k

Good thoughts. Can ya'll help me understand payload capacity. I know what it is, but I'm thinking of payload in the context of Excursion vs 2500 Suburban. We are 95% sure gonna get a 3/4 ton SUV. Many people recommend the Excursion, and I agree it does look nice and I like them too. I know it has the power to easily tow my TT, but the payload is not much higher than what we have now of 1441#. Google says Excursion has payload between 1500-1900#. With our current trailer, 4 kids (who will only get bigger), 2 adults and a dog, we are gonna be getting close to it. This might also limit us from bringing along anyone else (e.g., kids' friend, MIL, etc). Compare this to the 2500 Suburban w/ a payload of 2270-2560#. Since the Excursion is so big and powerful, is it generally ok to be a few pounds over on payload as long as the overall combined weight is within limits? These are two in my area that I'm considering. One is a sububran and another an excursion. The suburban I like because of the higher payload but it has a lot of miles. Some of my research says a 2500 well taken care can go about 300k. Looking at the carfax, they have a lot of documented service - which I see as a good thing... https://www.cavenderchevrolet.com/VehicleDetails/used-2009-Chevrolet-Suburban-LT1-Boerne-TX/4203909883 The excursion is a few thousand more and looks well taken care of and has low miles. https://www.cars.com/vehicledetail/detail/812470985/overview/ Thoughts? I'm liking the excursion (although it's further away to pick up) but the payload has me concerned (hence my question above).
Andrewmart 06/10/20 08:39am Tow Vehicles
RE: Need tow vehicle - preferably under 10k

Andrew, you need to adjust your expectations of what your towing experience should be like, IMO. Yes on the right track, bigger/heavier stiffer suspension is generally more stable, but you're not guaranteed to get that trailer isn not even there feeling. But your lack of towing experience causes concern about a little push from a semi. To stay within $10k and get a heavier chassis, you will give up power and alot of the creature comforts of your current rig by going to a van or 3 row SUV. If that's the direction your headed, I'd look at 1 ton vans. Good bang for the buck in chassis strength. Or low mile gmt400 suburbans. 800s if low miles and great shape will fetch more than $10k. Same for excursions. Sweet spot for a cheap capable 3 row seat, easy to fix, stout chassis, as reliable as any 20 year old rig can be is a 3/4 ton GMT 400 Burb. Been a couple for sale around here. Low 100s for miles, 454 and appear to be very well kept in the $6k range. Personally, few trips a year, I'd hook it to the Expe you have and hit the road though. Somehow I never saw this post. I agree. I've taken it for a drive a few more times, and I'm getting more comfortable as I drive it more. Looking into a used (new to me vehicle) is mostly for towing, but it would also serve as my daily driver. We currently have 4 kids, and I drive a supercab F150. So backseat is tight with just 3 kids in there, and I cannot even fit 4. We also have little ones, so will need strollers (sometimes double) for at least the next few years. My wife has a standard Expy, so something like a large SUV or van would let us fit all kids and strollers, etc. It also does not hurt to get a stronger truck... :C
Andrewmart 06/09/20 01:42pm Tow Vehicles
RE: Need tow vehicle - preferably under 10k

There’s a 100k mile V10 Excirsion for $10k in Seattle CL. Just listed. There’s your rig, if you hurry... Thanks! Any tips on how to judge gas vs diesel? Most of my searching says the diesel engine (especially 7.3.) will outlast the 6.0 diesel and gas by a long shot and give you better gas mileage. Any general guidelines on what is a decent mileage vs too much mileage when buying used?
Andrewmart 06/09/20 01:19pm Tow Vehicles
RE: Need tow vehicle - preferably under 10k

That's a surprisingly lightweight trailer for it's size. If you have 3.73 gears in the Expedition, it'll do it and be within ratings. I certainly would use a premium hitch however, like the ProPride, simply because of the amount of sail area. I've driven it with the expedition and a husky center line hitch, and I still noticed a little swaying especially when a semi passed me. And this was going 60 and me letting off gas pedal a little... Would the ProPride provide that much of a better ride? I'd love to use my current vehicle. I'm happy going 60 mph but would prefer not the minor sway when getting passed or on windy days.Ummmm.... Letting off of the gas pedal a little will make it more prone to sway!. Think of your rig as a rope. if it is tight, it will be straight. It it is loose it will wiggle all over. This is why engaging the trailer brakes by themselves will straighten out sway. Thanks for the tip!!! That is very good to know. I will stop doing that. I went ahead and bought a ProPride 3 hitch. I'm going to try that on our 1/2 ton, but I'm also strongly considering getting a 3/4 ton truck or SUV. Leaning toward SUV so we can all ride together, and it can potentially be my daily driver... I'm planning going to go look at an Excursion and Suburban 2500 either today or tomorrow.
Andrewmart 06/09/20 10:02am Tow Vehicles
RE: Need tow vehicle - preferably under 10k

https://www.cars.com/vehicledetail/detail/806644947/overview/ I'm thinking something like this might work? It's a 2500 with 6.0. Thanks for all the help so far!
Andrewmart 06/06/20 08:30am Tow Vehicles
RE: Need tow vehicle - preferably under 10k

Also, is there any range/restriction on mileage or how old the vehicle model should be if we get a 3/4 or 1 ton pick up? In my price range, we are looking at vehicles between 2002-2008 with mileage of 170k+. Also, this is a bit vague, but would any 2500 pull it? I would definitely look at the numbers and axle etc, but, in general, would they tow better than our expedition?
Andrewmart 06/06/20 06:55am Tow Vehicles
RE: Need tow vehicle - preferably under 10k

If I added a Hensley or ProPride, do you think I'll be ok? I'm reaching the upper end of our payload capacity with hitch weight and all passengers. I'll be getting an accurate hitch tongue weight later this week. We've talked about taking both vehicles. One I would tow and the other with wife and kids. It would be a hassle but save us a few thousand. Just want to make sure it's safe.
Andrewmart 06/06/20 06:53am Tow Vehicles
RE: Need tow vehicle - preferably under 10k

Are they long trips distance wise? A 4 door 3/4 ton with a front bench seat will handle 6 comfortably especially if they are younger and smaller. At about 10yr old, there are plenty of options that will do nicely. A full size body on frame van is also a good option but not a lot of them around. Trips will be maybe a few hours at the most. 200-300 miles one way, with many being less than 200 miles.
Andrewmart 06/06/20 05:51am Tow Vehicles
RE: Need tow vehicle - preferably under 10k

That's a surprisingly lightweight trailer for it's size. If you have 3.73 gears in the Expedition, it'll do it and be within ratings. I certainly would use a premium hitch however, like the ProPride, simply because of the amount of sail area. I've driven it with the expedition and a husky center line hitch, and I still noticed a little swaying especially when a semi passed me. And this was going 60 and me letting off gas pedal a little... Would the ProPride provide that much of a better ride? I'd love to use my current vehicle. I'm happy going 60 mph but would prefer not the minor sway when getting passed or on windy days.
Andrewmart 06/05/20 10:19pm Tow Vehicles
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