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RE: expedition or tahoe for 33' TT

I use an ExpeditionMAX to tow my 7000 pound boat. It does a much better job towing than the YukonXL Denali it replaced, but still not nearly as good as my RAM, but that really isn’t a fair comparison. Stability with the Ex is fine. Power is really really good. The only issue I have is that it gets very hot (engine and tranny) towing I70 through the mountains in Colorado. If I were towing all the time in the mountains I’d be worried, but very few people do that. Given those two choices, I’d go with the Expedition hands down. Huge advantage there is the engine - personally I’d never tow that much weight with a 5.3, and last I checked you can’t get the 6.2 except in the upper trim levels. That said, the 3.0 in a Tahoe would be intriguing. As far as “tail wagging the dog” on a long trailer, I believe all modern tow vehicles use the trailer brakes to eliminate sway. I know I’ve never felt it with my boat.
Bionic Man 06/22/21 01:28pm Tow Vehicles
RE: Truck - family of 5 and 65lb dog

MegaCab by RAM will be the biggest cab option available. Plenty of room for the pup on the floor in the back row.
Bionic Man 06/21/21 09:26pm Tow Vehicles
RE: 2022 Toyota Tundra Reveal

Looks very similar to the current 4RUNNER to me. Also kind of reminds me of the GMC HD. I’m personally not a fan of Toyota but I don’t think it is terrible. I’m sure they will sell pretty much everything they can build. Just like the do with the tired old current generation.
Bionic Man 06/21/21 09:11am Tow Vehicles
RE: Looking for new tow vehicle

Be sure to research the 6.0 Power Stroke before you get too excited about it. There is tons of info on that. And if you are a “by the numbers” guy, you need to look at the tow rating of the 2013 2500 Burb. It is way less than you think.
Bionic Man 06/20/21 03:34pm Travel Trailers
RE: Looking for new tow vehicle

We use a 2019 Expedition MAX to tow our 7000 pound boat. It does a much better job than the 2011 Yukon Denali XL it replaced. The ExMAX has over 9000 pounds of tow capacity, and if you can stay within payload, it will work well (ours has 1767 pounds). Jeep has announced that it will FINALLY come to market with a Wagoneer and Grand Wagoneer later this year. They will have "best in class" towing (over 10,000 pounds I believe), and should be on your list if you can wait a few months. We've had the ExMAX for a couple years, over 20,000 miles, and it has yet to go back to the dealer other than oil changes. The transmission and EcoBoost do well, its fun to drive solo, and gets decent MPG solo. Non towing power is great, but the fuel economy towing isn't good (we've had several tanks in the 7 MPG range). Overall, my wife really likes the SUV (it is her DD), but I will look at the Jeeps when they finally reach a dealer lot. As far as vans, as a tow vehicle I'm sure they are up to the task. But I personally (and my wife especially) have no desire to drive one daily. And if you live in an area with snow, make sure you take that into account. Around here, they really need snow tires (or studs) to make them safe in the winter. What packages does your expedition have? I know they have the heavy duty tow package but ford's website said something about an fx4 off road package as well. Is that needed on yours? We went fairly basic. XLT with the 202A package that got leather, adaptive cruise, and a few other niceties. Also the HD tow package. You can tell an Ex has that because it has that back up trailer assist knob on the right side. As far as a 2500 Burb, they are ok, but I’d take the Expedition over it 10 times out of ten. We had a 2003 with the 8.1 to tow the boat back in around 2014/2015. It did a good job, but literally everything the Burb did, the Ex does better. But that comes at a financial cost as well. If you’re ok driving a 15 year old vehicle with almost certainly well over 100,000 miles on it (that someone else drove and who knows how they took care of it) try to search one out.
Bionic Man 06/18/21 09:29pm Travel Trailers
RE: Looking for new tow vehicle

We use a 2019 Expedition MAX to tow our 7000 pound boat. It does a much better job than the 2011 Yukon Denali XL it replaced. The ExMAX has over 9000 pounds of tow capacity, and if you can stay within payload, it will work well (ours has 1767 pounds). Jeep has announced that it will FINALLY come to market with a Wagoneer and Grand Wagoneer later this year. They will have "best in class" towing (over 10,000 pounds I believe), and should be on your list if you can wait a few months. We've had the ExMAX for a couple years, over 20,000 miles, and it has yet to go back to the dealer other than oil changes. The transmission and EcoBoost do well, its fun to drive solo, and gets decent MPG solo. Non towing power is great, but the fuel economy towing isn't good (we've had several tanks in the 7 MPG range). Overall, my wife really likes the SUV (it is her DD), but I will look at the Jeeps when they finally reach a dealer lot. As far as vans, as a tow vehicle I'm sure they are up to the task. But I personally (and my wife especially) have no desire to drive one daily. And if you live in an area with snow, make sure you take that into account. Around here, they really need snow tires (or studs) to make them safe in the winter.
Bionic Man 06/18/21 11:53am Travel Trailers
Honda EU7000is

Is anyone using one of the. Honda EU7000is generators to power their rig? If so, can you tell me what adaptor you are using to plug your RV power cord into the generator? I have an adaptor to plug into the 30 amp side, but would love to be able to run a cord into the 240 outlet. For reference, the generator is making its way to our 75' houseboat to be used as a backup to our 24k main generator. The more power I am able to use from this Honda, the more functions of the houseboat I can use in a much more fuel efficient fashion.
Bionic Man 06/17/21 09:11pm Tech Issues
RE: Takes guts to post video like this.

They have a follow up vid on their adventure now. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=35g5j6-u2a4 They are much more patient than I would be....
Bionic Man 06/16/21 11:01pm Truck Campers
RE: Takes guts to post video like this.

Nearly 500,000 views. And it sounds like they have at least had some near misses before. I'm sure this wasn't done on purpose, but it will build their "influencer" presence.
Bionic Man 06/16/21 04:44pm Truck Campers
RE: Get these teenagers outta here!!! Plus magical buff/wax ;)

The key is laying down the law to your own kids, as they are better communicators with their friends than we as parents are. Just let them know -- if your friends don't take care of our things, they may no longer come along on our trips. I'd be willing to bet that would do the trick. Good one...LOL. LOL. I'm not disagreeing with that type of parenting, but I will say the foundation for that needs to be laid LONG before teenage years....... I guess I'm old fashioned in many ways, but when I was growing up and mom and dad had a MH, the kids slept in tents. But regardless, tent or TT, it's better than having them in the camper with you. ;)
Bionic Man 06/16/21 12:43pm Truck Campers
RE: Ram 2500 CTD and GM 2500 Dmax up the Ike.

If the standard output Cummins was able to maintain speed, wouldn't it be reasonable to assume that the HO Cummins would use a similar amount of fuel, as it would not need to make more power to do the same speed? Honestly I'm surprised these trucks are able to do those speeds up the hill. My 350/800 Cummins won't pull my 12,000 pound 5er eastbound to the tunnel at the speed limit. I'm somewhere between 35-40 MPH at the very top. My best friend's 2013 PSD pulling a very similar trailer is the exact same. Does the higher profile of the RV really make that much of a difference?
Bionic Man 06/15/21 01:13pm Tow Vehicles
RE: 7.3 twin turbo Godzilla

My 2014 F150 SCREW 3.5 Ecoboost with Max Tow package has averaged 10-11mpg towing from Washington State to Arizona the entire 4 years I've owned it. I pull a 26ft 6500lb loaded TT. I don’t get it. Towed the boat yesterday. Flat ground no wind, 70 MPH, hand calculated 10.99 MPG. Computer showed 11.8. My boat has way less drag than a TT. Your Wakesetter tows more like a box trailer than you might think. And probably weighs about the same as the TT mentioned. +, TT guy didn't say ow fast he tows. Idk why, as it would seem a bit more aero than a box trailer, but 11mpg is nothing to complain about. FWIW, I get about the same, maybe 1mpg better, towing the boat as hauling a TC. And about the same mpg hauling TC with boat behind as just the TC. I think the tower and all its accessories and the open interior has more wind resistance than it appears it would. I agree that 11 MPG towing that boat isn't bad. But the 8.5 it returned coming home is, as is 11 MPG towing my 3000 pound Ranger. Again, point is that adding turbos to the 7.3 will make it all but unusable due to MPG.
Bionic Man 06/09/21 08:02am Tow Vehicles
RE: Disappointing article- GM updates!

I think the GMC HD is one of the better looking trucks available today. I really disliked the Chevy when it came out, and while I still don't like it, the looks have grown on me and I don't think it is as bad as when it came out. Personally, I think many new designs are that way. To me, the new F150 is about as ugly as a Chevy HD. The last front end was much more appealing.
Bionic Man 06/08/21 09:06pm Tow Vehicles
RE: Ford F150 vs Ram 1500 Hybrids Ike Gauntlet Test

These clowns tested a mid-sized truck with a 6,000 boat. Same hill. 3rd gear, rpm's screaming at near redline. They thought, no problem because they were able to maintain speed limit. 3mpg sounded good to them, clowns. Not reality. Who does that to a truck they own? Nobody, you tow the thing 20-30 mph slower because it is a mid-sized truck and you already know you will have to take it easy. Now, if the test were: lets tow where the truck seems to be comfortable and we are not putting extreme stress on an engine/trans that we hope to keep for 200,000 miles, then I would pay attention to the comparisons, because that is how people drive, normal. X2 Actually, as someone who runs the pass many times a year, I would say the vast majority of drivers put their foot to the floor, and run either the speed limit, or as fast as their vehicle will tow.
Bionic Man 06/08/21 09:01pm Tow Vehicles
RE: Ford F150 vs Ram 1500 Hybrids Ike Gauntlet Test

$70K for those trucks... Ha, ha.. I paid $36k out the door for my 13 F150 Eco brand new and would not trade them straight across for either of those even with just over 100k miles on my 13... ha, ha... I like to 'drive' my truck.. Not let technology 'drive' it for me.. ugh.. I've been using 'premium' fuel in my F150 since I got the new TT and it's made a difference for sure. Otherwise, I would not do it.. Found that out the first time I towed the new TT with regular and the next time with premium.. Whatever.. Do whatever and get whatever you want or need to make you happy. In the end, that's all that matters so who cares what the other guy is doing? Mitch https://i.imgur.com/XG8H0uzm.jpg?1 What differences did you notice using premium vs regular? I've played around a little, towing with both, and I don't think I can notice any difference in my EcoBoost.
Bionic Man 06/08/21 04:10pm Tow Vehicles
RE: 2018 Lincoln Navigator tow reviews

I have a 2019 Expedition MAX that we use to tow our 7000 pound boat. I also had a 2003 2500 Burb with the 8.1. I never fell in love with the 8.1 for towing the way so many have. IMO, both the 6.2 Yukon Denali and the 3.5 EcoBoost in the Ex are better engines. Anyway, I think you will really like the power of the engine. And the 10 speed is one of the better transmissions I have driven. Towing MPG isn't very good, but the power is always there. Most of the time, the engine and transmission temps are fine, but towing through the Rockies, they get higher than I would like (I've seen over 240 in both engine and tranny). The towing package has some nice features. I like how you can adjust for different trailers, and still use the blind spot warnings in the mirrors. I've played around with the back up assist, and while I haven't been patient with it, I also haven't been able to get it to work when showing it to someone. Personally, I wouldn't rely on it. I don't think that the Ex gives anything up to the 2500 Burb in towing manners. It is way more stable than my Yukon was. Within it's limits, I think your Navigator will make a very nice tow vehicle.
Bionic Man 06/08/21 04:06pm Tow Vehicles
RE: 7.3 twin turbo Godzilla

I had a work truck 5.0L and later a work truck Ecoboost and they both got the same crappy fuel mileage towing the same exact same trailer. My personal F150 got no different fuel economy than a good friend mine 5.7L Hemi towing roughly the same load (Jeep and gear) down the same roads from Texas to Utah. The only difference was that his engine was huffing and puffing a little more the higher we went while I hardly felt any difference in power. In my experience, turbocharged gassers get the same horrible fuel mileage when towing as a larger displacement engine with comparable power. More air equals more fuel and a turbocharger increases the amount of air being pushed through the engine just like increasing an engine's displacement does. The only difference is that you can go back to a smaller displacement when you don't need all that air(boost) in a turbocharged vehicle, but can't with a N/A engine of a larger displacment unless it has cylinder dectivatiuon. I’ll just tell you point blank that hasn’t been my experience. While towing my wake boat, my EcoBoost Expedition gets at least 20% worse MPG than the Yukon 6.2 it replaced. It’s considerably worse when you compare it towing my 17’ fishing boat. Just about everyone on the boating forums I frequent say the same thing. I’ll also say that the towing experience as well as speed over the passes is better in the EcoBoost than the 6.2. It holds speeds up the passes that the 6.2 simply couldn’t do. I’m pretty comfortable saying a EcoBoost type engine gets slightly better MPG when solo and quite a bit worse MPG when towing. Which overall is a win in a vehicle that doesn’t tow frequently. But that isn’t what a 7.3 is designed for. It’s designed to be a work truck and if Ford added turbos it would suck fuel like a drunken sailor. The loaded MPG in a vehicle that is designed to spend a lot of time loaded would just make it highly impractical. And FWIW, for my use in a full size SUV, I’d choose the EcoBoost over a 5.7 or 6.2. Just no way I’d consider it (or especially a super sized version of it) for a full time towing vehicle. When Pickuptucks.com tested the Ecoboost versus the GM 6.2L, 5.7L Hemi, and Nissan 5.6L back in 2018, the Ecoboost got the best towing mileage and unloaded mileage. However, the 6.2L did get better fuel economy than the other two 5.xL engines when towing. I have read multiple reviews ad MPG loops the 6.2L even got better fuel economy than the smaller 5.3L when towing as well. I am not sure if it is the premium fuel requirement, but many tests I have seen showed the 3.5L Ecoboost and GM 6.2L neck and neck with each other on fuel economy when towing and both are generally better than the rest of the engines. 2018 Best Half-Ton Truck Challenge I guess I didn’t dig deep enough in the article, but under test results, they call out the EcoBoost for its poor towing MPG. https://i.imgur.com/lsv0oE5l.png And, off subject, but I believe at this point both the 6.2 and 3.5 have the same RECOMMENDATION for premium fuel for best performance (not requirement). Anyway, if the 3.5 is at best equivalent to engines twice its size in towing MPG (I’m still sticking with its worse) than what would a EcoBoost 7.3 be equivalent to? Sounds like it would be the equivalent of a 16 liter engine which MPG would be unimaginably bad. Regardless if they call it out for unexpected lower fuel economy, it still got better fuel economy towing than the rest. https://i.postimg.cc/KYn2gYt8/Ecoboost-MPG-tow-test.png height=200 width=400 However, you will use more fuel economy than the others if you are using more air to make power. If your old 6.2L was not able to keep speed while your Ecoboost is, then you are likely moving more air in the Ecoboost than you were in the 6.2L meaning you are using more performance than the 6.2L was capable of and therefore using more fuel. If you are utilizing more power from engine A versus engine B, then it is kind of a no-brainer that you will get worse fuel economy in engine A. Also, there is a huge difference in the premium recommendation between the two. The 6.2L is tuned for premium and its advertised power numbers are based on premium fuel which it clearly states on its SAE certification. If you put regular fuel in it, then you get less power than advertised and have a higher chance of knock due to its much higher compression ratio. The Ecoboost on the other hand is tuned for regular fuel, but can adjust timing to take advantage of premium fuel to make more than advertised power. For example, my old F150 Ecoboost made 365 hp on regular and 385 hp on premium according to Ford. It doesn't need it, but it is recommended if you want more power out of your engine which is generally when you are towing. Not going to go into the fuel type argument other than to say the current 6.2 only recommends premium, not requires. It is in the article you referenced. And the argument of the 3.5 using more air/more power than the 6.2 isn't accurate either. The only place the 6.2 lacked power of the EB was up the passes. And while a lot is made of the Ike runs, all 3 or 4 steep grades where the EB has an advantage on my trips amount to less than 20 miles. So there shouldn't be THAT much of a difference in fuel economy. It would balance out in the rest of the trip, and certainly after fill ups. But it never did/does. The worst MPG I've experienced was towing the boat from Grand Junction Colorado to Bullfrog UT. Not high elevation, no long hills, grades that any V8 could maintain speed at returned MPG of 7.07 MPG. The tank before was 7.82. The tank after was 7.95. Also, when towing my Ranger (3000ish pounds), I was 10.68 MPG in that stretch. 12.44 the tank before, and 10.59 the tank after. The 6.2 pulling the Malibu never pulled less than 8.83 MPG. And towing the little boat I don't think it ever got less than 12 MPG. I just filled the Ex from our trip home over the weekend. 8.47 MPG towing 72 MPH from Sterling CO to Denver CO (part of the loop that FLT does for their MPG tests). Yes there was some wind and rain, but the truck pulling the 5er still pulled down 10.75 MPG. My buddy just bought a PowerBoost, and is towing a 26' trailer. He gets 5 - 7 MPG towing (no idea how fast, but he is a retired county sheriff, and never seems to be in a hurry). The moral of the story is you won't convince me that, overall, while towing, the EcoBoost gets comparable MPG. Solo might be different, but that isn't what we are arguing. And if Ford ever considered giving the same treatment to the 7.3, people would be DREAMING about getting 7 MPG. It would more likely be considerably less.
Bionic Man 06/08/21 02:59pm Tow Vehicles
RE: 7.3 twin turbo Godzilla

My 2014 F150 SCREW 3.5 Ecoboost with Max Tow package has averaged 10-11mpg towing from Washington State to Arizona the entire 4 years I've owned it. I pull a 26ft 6500lb loaded TT. I don’t get it. Towed the boat yesterday. Flat ground no wind, 70 MPH, hand calculated 10.99 MPG. Computer showed 11.8. My boat has way less drag than a TT.
Bionic Man 06/05/21 04:57pm Tow Vehicles
RE: 7.3 twin turbo Godzilla

I had a work truck 5.0L and later a work truck Ecoboost and they both got the same crappy fuel mileage towing the same exact same trailer. My personal F150 got no different fuel economy than a good friend mine 5.7L Hemi towing roughly the same load (Jeep and gear) down the same roads from Texas to Utah. The only difference was that his engine was huffing and puffing a little more the higher we went while I hardly felt any difference in power. In my experience, turbocharged gassers get the same horrible fuel mileage when towing as a larger displacement engine with comparable power. More air equals more fuel and a turbocharger increases the amount of air being pushed through the engine just like increasing an engine's displacement does. The only difference is that you can go back to a smaller displacement when you don't need all that air(boost) in a turbocharged vehicle, but can't with a N/A engine of a larger displacment unless it has cylinder dectivatiuon. I’ll just tell you point blank that hasn’t been my experience. While towing my wake boat, my EcoBoost Expedition gets at least 20% worse MPG than the Yukon 6.2 it replaced. It’s considerably worse when you compare it towing my 17’ fishing boat. Just about everyone on the boating forums I frequent say the same thing. I’ll also say that the towing experience as well as speed over the passes is better in the EcoBoost than the 6.2. It holds speeds up the passes that the 6.2 simply couldn’t do. I’m pretty comfortable saying a EcoBoost type engine gets slightly better MPG when solo and quite a bit worse MPG when towing. Which overall is a win in a vehicle that doesn’t tow frequently. But that isn’t what a 7.3 is designed for. It’s designed to be a work truck and if Ford added turbos it would suck fuel like a drunken sailor. The loaded MPG in a vehicle that is designed to spend a lot of time loaded would just make it highly impractical. And FWIW, for my use in a full size SUV, I’d choose the EcoBoost over a 5.7 or 6.2. Just no way I’d consider it (or especially a super sized version of it) for a full time towing vehicle. When Pickuptucks.com tested the Ecoboost versus the GM 6.2L, 5.7L Hemi, and Nissan 5.6L back in 2018, the Ecoboost got the best towing mileage and unloaded mileage. However, the 6.2L did get better fuel economy than the other two 5.xL engines when towing. I have read multiple reviews ad MPG loops the 6.2L even got better fuel economy than the smaller 5.3L when towing as well. I am not sure if it is the premium fuel requirement, but many tests I have seen showed the 3.5L Ecoboost and GM 6.2L neck and neck with each other on fuel economy when towing and both are generally better than the rest of the engines. 2018 Best Half-Ton Truck Challenge I guess I didn’t dig deep enough in the article, but under test results, they call out the EcoBoost for its poor towing MPG. https://i.imgur.com/lsv0oE5l.png And, off subject, but I believe at this point both the 6.2 and 3.5 have the same RECOMMENDATION for premium fuel for best performance (not requirement). Anyway, if the 3.5 is at best equivalent to engines twice its size in towing MPG (I’m still sticking with its worse) than what would a EcoBoost 7.3 be equivalent to? Sounds like it would be the equivalent of a 16 liter engine which MPG would be unimaginably bad.
Bionic Man 06/05/21 09:01am Tow Vehicles
RE: 7.3 twin turbo Godzilla

I had a work truck 5.0L and later a work truck Ecoboost and they both got the same crappy fuel mileage towing the same exact same trailer. My personal F150 got no different fuel economy than a good friend mine 5.7L Hemi towing roughly the same load (Jeep and gear) down the same roads from Texas to Utah. The only difference was that his engine was huffing and puffing a little more the higher we went while I hardly felt any difference in power. In my experience, turbocharged gassers get the same horrible fuel mileage when towing as a larger displacement engine with comparable power. More air equals more fuel and a turbocharger increases the amount of air being pushed through the engine just like increasing an engine's displacement does. The only difference is that you can go back to a smaller displacement when you don't need all that air(boost) in a turbocharged vehicle, but can't with a N/A engine of a larger displacment unless it has cylinder dectivatiuon. I’ll just tell you point blank that hasn’t been my experience. While towing my wake boat, my EcoBoost Expedition gets at least 20% worse MPG than the Yukon 6.2 it replaced. It’s considerably worse when you compare it towing my 17’ fishing boat. Just about everyone on the boating forums I frequent say the same thing. I’ll also say that the towing experience as well as speed over the passes is better in the EcoBoost than the 6.2. It holds speeds up the passes that the 6.2 simply couldn’t do. I’m pretty comfortable saying a EcoBoost type engine gets slightly better MPG when solo and quite a bit worse MPG when towing. Which overall is a win in a vehicle that doesn’t tow frequently. But that isn’t what a 7.3 is designed for. It’s designed to be a work truck and if Ford added turbos it would suck fuel like a drunken sailor. The loaded MPG in a vehicle that is designed to spend a lot of time loaded would just make it highly impractical. And FWIW, for my use in a full size SUV, I’d choose the EcoBoost over a 5.7 or 6.2. Just no way I’d consider it (or especially a super sized version of it) for a full time towing vehicle.
Bionic Man 06/04/21 01:32pm Tow Vehicles
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