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RE: Buying a used diesel
A few points to ponder.
- 6.0 and 6.4 Ford diesels are junk, and are priced accordingly used. A low price does not always equate to a good value. There are options for "bulletproofing" these engines but I don't know what they cost or how effective those preventative fixes are.
I know itès weird but I have almost 300k miles on my 6.0L, stock head bolts too. Weird.
All things in Ièd avoid the 6.4L as well even though it is a very close cousin to the 6.0L. PITA with 1st gen new emission gear. Compared to it my 6.0L has almost none.
With ANY used diesel that is out of warranty be prepared to either work on it yourself or have some room on a CC because NONE of them are cheap to have work done on, especially at a dealer.I'm still driving my JUNK 6.0 also with the stock head bolts. Sure are a lot of these junk engines on the road.
And many more pulled off the road. If your still driving your JUNK 6.0, that is your own fault. You 6.0/6.4 apologist kill me. I have had a 6.2 that I sold at 225K a '93 6.5 with just under 300K when I sold it and a 98 6.5 that I sold at 100K. My personal experience with all three of these engines was positive from a mechanical standpoint. None had anything substantial done to them. However I can acknowledge that outside of my own experience, they weren't good engines. As bad as they were, they weren't the focus of a billion dollar lawsuit. The 6.0/6.4 were/are JUNK just as you said. You still driving one doesn't allow you to rewrite history. Take a poll from previous owners and see what the masses think. Taking a poll of yourself isn't really a poll, its YOUR experience, just like the Detroit diesels were MINE. Statistically not revelant. Take the time and read the actual lawsuit, it outlines in great detail the issues on both sides of the suit. The aftermarket doesn't spin up (Bullet Proof Diesel) for no reason, if there were no issues the term Bullet Proofing would not exist. I have yet to see a Cummins, Duramax or Ford 6.7 Bullet Proof diesel pop up.
Not sure why you have to attack the man. His experience with his truck is a good one and so was mine. So be it!
I will say this... I sure see a lot more 6.0 PSD on the road today vs those first gen DPF equipped 6.7 cummins, Duramax, and 6.4 Power Strokes. Must be a reason!
Even my BIL fell victom of a 09 6.7 cummins that he sold after 9 months of ownership due to too many problems with the emissions. He wished he kept his 04 6.0 PSD after that experience. After he unloaded that truck to a willing buyer he purchased a 07 Dodge 5.9 cummins in Arizona, flew there to pick it up and drove it back. That was one hell of a experience after owning that POS 09 6.7 cummins.
He did later move on to purchase a new '16 6.7 PSD truck and it's given him good reasonably good service for a DPF equipped truck. I think this truck restored his fate on the DPF equipped trucks for now.
BTW... I know and man who had a Chevy 6.5TD and it gave him good service up to around ~350k miles and my BIL had a 98 Chevy with a 6.5TD and it gave him good service as well. No big deal!Thanks Fish.
This guy has a habit of reading what he wants and not really reading what the post said. He then proceeds to go off the deep end with his foolish rants.
Foolish rant? Really? What is foolish abo (ut it? Your advocating a 6.0, I find that extremely foolish.If you can read and comprehend what you read you would see I never advocated a 6.0. I made two true statements that were, I am still driving mine and there are a lot of them out there. PERIOD! You assumed the rest and yes that was a foolish rant and attack on your part.
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Bird Freak
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11/29/19 07:40pm |
Tow Vehicles
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RE: Buying a used diesel
A few points to ponder.
- 6.0 and 6.4 Ford diesels are junk, and are priced accordingly used. A low price does not always equate to a good value. There are options for "bulletproofing" these engines but I don't know what they cost or how effective those preventative fixes are.
I know itès weird but I have almost 300k miles on my 6.0L, stock head bolts too. Weird.
All things in Ièd avoid the 6.4L as well even though it is a very close cousin to the 6.0L. PITA with 1st gen new emission gear. Compared to it my 6.0L has almost none.
With ANY used diesel that is out of warranty be prepared to either work on it yourself or have some room on a CC because NONE of them are cheap to have work done on, especially at a dealer.I'm still driving my JUNK 6.0 also with the stock head bolts. Sure are a lot of these junk engines on the road.
And many more pulled off the road. If your still driving your JUNK 6.0, that is your own fault. You 6.0/6.4 apologist kill me. I have had a 6.2 that I sold at 225K a '93 6.5 with just under 300K when I sold it and a 98 6.5 that I sold at 100K. My personal experience with all three of these engines was positive from a mechanical standpoint. None had anything substantial done to them. However I can acknowledge that outside of my own experience, they weren't good engines. As bad as they were, they weren't the focus of a billion dollar lawsuit. The 6.0/6.4 were/are JUNK just as you said. You still driving one doesn't allow you to rewrite history. Take a poll from previous owners and see what the masses think. Taking a poll of yourself isn't really a poll, its YOUR experience, just like the Detroit diesels were MINE. Statistically not revelant. Take the time and read the actual lawsuit, it outlines in great detail the issues on both sides of the suit. The aftermarket doesn't spin up (Bullet Proof Diesel) for no reason, if there were no issues the term Bullet Proofing would not exist. I have yet to see a Cummins, Duramax or Ford 6.7 Bullet Proof diesel pop up.
Not sure why you have to attack the man. His experience with his truck is a good one and so was mine. So be it!
I will say this... I sure see a lot more 6.0 PSD on the road today vs those first gen DPF equipped 6.7 cummins, Duramax, and 6.4 Power Strokes. Must be a reason!
Even my BIL fell victom of a 09 6.7 cummins that he sold after 9 months of ownership due to too many problems with the emissions. He wished he kept his 04 6.0 PSD after that experience. After he unloaded that truck to a willing buyer he purchased a 07 Dodge 5.9 cummins in Arizona, flew there to pick it up and drove it back. That was one hell of a experience after owning that POS 09 6.7 cummins.
He did later move on to purchase a new '16 6.7 PSD truck and it's given him good reasonably good service for a DPF equipped truck. I think this truck restored his fate on the DPF equipped trucks for now.
BTW... I know and man who had a Chevy 6.5TD and it gave him good service up to around ~350k miles and my BIL had a 98 Chevy with a 6.5TD and it gave him good service as well. No big deal!Thanks Fish.
This guy has a habit of reading what he wants and not really reading what the post said. He then proceeds to go off the deep end with his foolish rants.
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Bird Freak
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11/28/19 07:50pm |
Tow Vehicles
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RE: Buying a used diesel
Fish, there is a difference between attacking and calling BS. He said it in manner that suggests that the issues are overblown or exagerated. Which they are not, there is a segment of buyers that for whatever reason did not experience the issues the majority did have. I could say the same for the 6.5TD as I am one. The 6.0 came right after the very popular 7.3 PS many thought the 6.0 would be another home run engine and for good reason and they sold a lot of them. The 6.0 went from 03-07 and the DPF duramax was sold from 07.5 until 2010, and 08-10 there were not a lot pickups sold. Ford also sells more diesels than do the other two in general. No doubt there are still some out there, many after substantal work to keep them on the road. Not everyone can take a trade in beating to get something better and were forced to make do. The OP is looking for a used $25K diesel, can you with a straight face recommend a 6.0? Regardless of your own experience?I never said or implied anything you claim I said. I simply stated fact that there are a lot of them on the road and I still drive and like mine.
You are the one who read into it what you wanted and went into your normal attack mode against any 6.0 post.
I also don't give a rats butt about law suits or anything else you have to say. Please block me so you can attack other people for no reason.
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Bird Freak
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11/27/19 05:52pm |
Tow Vehicles
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RE: Online Catalog Problem
AMAZON, cheaper,faster and easy return if needed.
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Bird Freak
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11/27/19 01:19pm |
Camping World Accessories
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RE: Buying a used diesel
A few points to ponder.
- 6.0 and 6.4 Ford diesels are junk, and are priced accordingly used. A low price does not always equate to a good value. There are options for "bulletproofing" these engines but I don't know what they cost or how effective those preventative fixes are.
I know itès weird but I have almost 300k miles on my 6.0L, stock head bolts too. Weird.
All things in Ièd avoid the 6.4L as well even though it is a very close cousin to the 6.0L. PITA with 1st gen new emission gear. Compared to it my 6.0L has almost none.
With ANY used diesel that is out of warranty be prepared to either work on it yourself or have some room on a CC because NONE of them are cheap to have work done on, especially at a dealer.I'm still driving my JUNK 6.0 also with the stock head bolts. Sure are a lot of these junk engines on the road.
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Bird Freak
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11/27/19 09:41am |
Tow Vehicles
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RE: Tesla Cybertruck
I think they are sandbagging on the tow rating, with a 3,500lb payload on the base truck and electric drive they can pull a hell of a lot more than 7k pounds. I think I might change my next purchase from a 5er to a travel trailer so I can pull with the tri-motor, ~250 miles of towing range without using any gas is going to be great. The only interesting thing would be that I'd need 2x 50A spots reserved, one for the TT and one for the truck to refill (that or a splitter and a smart device that limits the truck to whatever the TT isn't using).I think you will need to rethink your range when towing.
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Bird Freak
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11/22/19 09:17am |
Tow Vehicles
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RE: Tesla Cybertruck
This was on Fox news this morning and they are taking orders.
I can't believe they are building it. Remember the old commercial years ago?
DON'T YOU BUY NO UGLY TRUCK!
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Bird Freak
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11/22/19 08:53am |
Tow Vehicles
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RE: 2020 Ram 2500/3500: MotorTrend Truck of the Year
Magazine based awards mean nothing to me.
Who ever has the largest advertising budget with them seems to win.
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Bird Freak
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11/21/19 01:23pm |
Tow Vehicles
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RE: The future cost of RV stay
I don't believe it will be a problem for me in whats left of my camping time.
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Bird Freak
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11/17/19 07:19pm |
Tow Vehicles
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RE: Question for those towing an enclosed car hauler...
After years of hauling show cars I say get the door!
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Bird Freak
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11/15/19 06:25pm |
Class A Motorhomes
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RE: Evolving Canines, de-evoloving people?
When I had my road tractor I spent a lot of time in Calif. I loved the state but their laws and ways I can do without.
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Bird Freak
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11/15/19 02:25pm |
General RVing Issues
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RE: Do you think a front cargo rack is too dangerous?
Listen, I’m not a kid. It’s just what I think while living in a VERY high traffic RV town. These goody setups are causing more issues than you think. It’s starting to look more and more like the Beverly Hillbilly’s with all the ridiculous garbage hanging around (front and back) of the pickups and 1960’s piece of crappola. I’ve seen broken metal- like carriages that had plastic gas cans and broken generators on the freeway. I’ve seen accidents with the same carnage in the front of people’s trucks from not allowing for larger stopping distances required. I’ve watched people walk into the stuff in parking lots.
Guys, if the truck didn’t come with forward tow hitches, get a **** trailer!
I don’t want a trailer, OK? I’m not a kid either, and the last time I checked, I get to decide what I do within the law. I don’t care what they look like to you, or what accidents you’ve seen. They weren’t caused by me, and the people on this forum aren’t causing the problems in your town. They aren’t illegal, so you and your demands can go pound sand.
BTW, I hate towable RV’s. If you need to drag around that much living space, stay home! I can play that cranky, stubborn old fart game too, buddy.
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Im not your Buddy, you are a cranky old guy and I hope they change the law so people like you have to use a trailer like normal people. Until then, happy camping. I’m sure your wife loves you.Another example of the type members that run folks away from this site.
No need for replys like this.
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Bird Freak
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11/14/19 05:05pm |
Tech Issues
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RE: Cummins 5 year old synthetic oil with 1000 miles - change ?
If not milky looking run it.
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Bird Freak
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11/07/19 04:00pm |
Class A Motorhomes
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RE: Missing couple camping on Padre Island confirmed dead
The killer has been caught and is in custody!
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Bird Freak
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11/06/19 03:04pm |
RV Lifestyle
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RE: Texas couple killed
The man that did this has been caught and is in custody.
I read it on a work campers forum.
I hope they hang him!
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Bird Freak
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11/06/19 03:01pm |
Tow Vehicles
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RE: New Mattress or Hotel ?
I bought a Coleman air mattress at Walmart. Just throw it on top of sofa mattress. Works great.
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Bird Freak
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11/06/19 08:54am |
Class A Motorhomes
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RE: Awning replacement Companies
I bought mine on Amazon.
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Bird Freak
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11/03/19 09:21am |
Tech Issues
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RE: Good Sam Roadside Assistance Mobile App - Login Issues
Looks like their app is about as dependable as their roadside service.
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Bird Freak
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10/30/19 10:10am |
Good Sam Roadside Assistance
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RE: Preferred Topsail sites?
Agree with 100 loop being the best. Out favorite is 122 and there are no long term sites in this State Park.
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Bird Freak
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10/27/19 11:31am |
RV Parks, Campgrounds and Attractions
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RE: Myrtle Beach Camping World
Watched an F104, 69, Viet Nam come up our flight line, south to north from the sea, 100ftfrom the deck maybe. Right before he got parallel with our support unit's hanger,He opened up his gattling gun. It did not fire at as fast a rate as an A10 but I believe it was a 30mm,
In just a few hundred feet he almost stalled, it seemed, from the recoil.
The north end of the field was tin shanties, right up to our wire, almost.Next day and thereafter when I took the jeep o the USO, or the PX across town I kept a more watchful eye.I never did see what he hit.
What in the world has this got to do with a new RV that has multiple problems and the difficulty in getting correct repairs done?Yep, lost me on this one too.
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Bird Freak
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10/25/19 09:30am |
General RVing Issues
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