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RE: What is MISSING from your RV Park?

MY answer is "Trees". When I was a Boy Scout we were surrounded by trees. ....but what is your BIGGEST shortcoming at the parks you stay at? What's Missing From My Favorite RV Park. Right now the Simple answer is ME! Then when it Opens (It will open again Right) - it will be Space for Me. It it's not Pretty Good Now, how could it Be My Favorite! JMHO,
Busskipper 03/30/20 06:42am RV Parks, Campgrounds and Attractions
RE: Reintroduction, shopping for a 10 to 20 y-o DP

Thanks to everybody who responded so far. Busskipper, the philosophy of priorities/objectives you outlined very nicely summarizes many considerations I have already formulated. Perfect! The link to IRV2 looks awesome; I read to the bottom of page 3 so far .... good stuff. May I ask about your GX470, aka Landcruiser Prado? I've never noticed one in tow, but I just happen to own a 2005. I had in the back of my mind that a 1997 or newer Jeep TJ would probably make a good toad. And I thought of getting a TJ just for exploring the desert near me. Considering the cost and effort of all the potential TJ mods to make it "sweet," right up to a LS V-8 conversion (or Cummins 4BT or VW TDI), I realize that my GX already does so many things as well or better than the TJ would, except for these concerns: I won't be dropping 35" tires under the GX or conquring Moab with it, and the body is just too pretty and vulnerable to squeeze between boulders and trees. Plus it's not as well-suited to a winch mount was a TJ would be. However, it will kick butt on a Jeep for freeway cruising, comfort and MPG, and is virtually as capable off-road. With the locking center diff and KDSS (auto-disconnect front sway bar) I have horrified some "expert" off-roaders by showing up to challenging trails in a Lexus ("nice girlie rig, dude," etc). Horror was replaced by respect when all was said and done, including me rescuing a FJ-40 that got stuck. It's a great machine. In this day and age of frameless cross-over SUVs and such, the GX is a force to be reckoned with. Mine has 170,000 miles and these days just sits around as an extra vehicle, mainly cause I know she'd sell for far less than she's worth to me! If I took the money I sold it for, I'd probably need another $20k to buy and build a TJ the way I want, it it would be lacking in many ways compared to the Lexus. Would the GX be the ideal toad? Not sure ... is it as simple as putting the transfer case in neutral, hooking up, and rolling down the road? I have never been over the scales in the GX, but I'm guessing 5500 lbs - the thing is a tank, so it would not be an inconsequential burden behind our "big rig." I would speculate that locked up in 4x4 low, the GX could pull a Class A out of some traction-challenged situations. Guess I'll hang tight with her until I make a RV decision. Skipper, I'd be very interested to hear your thoughts on the GX 470 as a toad. Thanks very much. I am also looking for an older used DP and own a 2004 GX 470 like the OP(except mine has a little over quarter million miles). I would love to use the GX470 as a Toad but the owners manual nixes 4 down toeing. Does anyone on the forum have experience with a GX 470. Look Here the procedure is listed - It Works! Best of Luck,
Busskipper 03/29/20 09:04am Class A Motorhomes
RE: Reintroduction, shopping for a 10 to 20 y-o DP

Thanks to everybody who responded so far. Busskipper, the philosophy of priorities/objectives you outlined very nicely summarizes many considerations I have already formulated. Perfect! The link to IRV2 looks awesome; I read to the bottom of page 3 so far .... good stuff. May I ask about your GX470, aka Landcruiser Prado? I've never noticed one in tow, but I just happen to own a 2005. I had in the back of my mind that a 1997 or newer Jeep TJ would probably make a good toad. And I thought of getting a TJ just for exploring the desert near me. Considering the cost and effort of all the potential TJ mods to make it "sweet," right up to a LS V-8 conversion (or Cummins 4BT or VW TDI), I realize that my GX already does so many things as well or better than the TJ would, except for these concerns: I won't be dropping 35" tires under the GX or conquring Moab with it, and the body is just too pretty and vulnerable to squeeze between boulders and trees. Plus it's not as well-suited to a winch mount was a TJ would be. However, it will kick butt on a Jeep for freeway cruising, comfort and MPG, and is virtually as capable off-road. With the locking center diff and KDSS (auto-disconnect front sway bar) I have horrified some "expert" off-roaders by showing up to challenging trails in a Lexus ("nice girlie rig, dude," etc). Horror was replaced by respect when all was said and done, including me rescuing a FJ-40 that got stuck. It's a great machine. In this day and age of frameless cross-over SUVs and such, the GX is a force to be reckoned with. Mine has 170,000 miles and these days just sits around as an extra vehicle, mainly cause I know she'd sell for far less than she's worth to me! If I took the money I sold it for, I'd probably need another $20k to buy and build a TJ the way I want, it it would be lacking in many ways compared to the Lexus. Would the GX be the ideal toad? Not sure ... is it as simple as putting the transfer case in neutral, hooking up, and rolling down the road? I have never been over the scales in the GX, but I'm guessing 5500 lbs - the thing is a tank, so it would not be an inconsequential burden behind our "big rig." I would speculate that locked up in 4x4 low, the GX could pull a Class A out of some traction-challenged situations. Guess I'll hang tight with her until I make a RV decision. Skipper, I'd be very interested to hear your thoughts on the GX 470 as a toad. Thanks very much. GX470 at 170,000 miles - Like New - :) - Again I will defer to an old post on another forum - Link with a few more pages to read - :) Think I pretty much decided over the years that I needed to be able to go Off Road in Colorado - Alpine Loop in the MDX was all it could handle, not sure a Jeep would not rust away - so IMHO the GX would keep the wife Happy, she has an old LS430 that I'm trying to pry her out of so this was a compromise to get her to go back on the road with me. I searched for 3 years and Found a White/Dark Grey interior - with 100,000 miles - and looks and drives like a New Car - notice I said Car - as you know the thing is a Truck (Beast) - and I love it - Self installed the Base plate from I think etrailer and went to Craigslist to get a lightly used Blue Ox tow bar - all for less than $1,000.00 so that was good. So - Yes I think the GX is the Perfect Toad, and as you know it's a Lexus and if you are so lucky as to have KDSS, I could not find one with good seats and a non cracked Dash - and in all honesty I could not tell the difference driving them on the Highway, which is what it will do for 99% of the time. As for the "Girlie look" - just smile as you pull them out with a Strap or a Chain ;) As you appear to have some time, as all of us will till summer with this COVID19 - I suggest you take the time to join the other forum and try the question there - It's just bigger and Easier to use - plus it will send you an email to notify you of other posters on a thread - pain but also a big Plus. Last thing - if a winch is needed then I think there was a guy on the other post I linked you to that put a bumper on the front to hook up his 2008 and it would easily allow a winch. Again if I can be of more help just ask, issue is I seldom come to this forum as I thought they renamed it to 83 Pace Arrow forum Bill
Busskipper 03/28/20 06:28am Class A Motorhomes
RE: Anyone interested in 83 Pace Arrow Tear down and Rebuild?

How does this post stay UP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! It has driven me from the site.
Busskipper 03/27/20 09:48am Class A Motorhomes
RE: Multi month trip planning

Well, I fought the good fight to the bitter end but it looks like my use of Streets & Trips 2013 has finally been taken from me. I have not found a stand alone, no internet required, app to replace it. My 2009 Samsung laptop which has endured 3 bumpy trips on a table infront of the passenger seat to Alaska plus tens of thousands of miles all over the lower 48 & Canada, has finally died on me taking with it MS S&Ts to its grave. So now I need to find something else that I can plan 100 day plus trips with. I have tried the MAPS provided on Windows 10. Is it me or is it that cranky & frustrating to use? I have a 3 year old Garmin 770RV which is fine for A to B trips but that is not how we travel. We avoid interstates like they have COVID 19. We do meandering day routes, often with changes on the fly when we don't like what the Garmin has come up with. The DW is a darned good navigator & given something with the details available of S&Ts she can navigate out of any wrong turn. So, what else is there that I can use to plot away creating the next multi thousand mile trip, along with ideas on where to stay? Would this work Ebay - Microsoft Streets & Trips 2013 (Retail) (1 PC/s) - Full Version for Windows B17-00563 While I still have an old copy on an old computer I worked my way into Bing Maps years ago - has never let me down and is easy to use. Best of Luck,
Busskipper 03/27/20 09:21am Roads and Routes
RE: Reintroduction, shopping for a 10 to 20 y-o DP

Greetings All, I was member here, inactive since 2015; it seems my account was deleted due to lack of use. Anyhow, I just re-joined, pleased to see I could reclaim my old username. My RV history started in the early 2000's with an Alpenlite truck camper. This forum was a tremendous resource to me as I considered that purchase, and learned the skills necessary to use and maintain my rig. The TC was fun, but child #3 made it beyond impractical, so we switched to a fifth wheel, in 2009 or 2010. It's a 2004 Thor Jazz 278 bunkhouse, single slide that is an actual 32 feet. I did a lot of upgrades to it: stripped the carpeting and laid vinyl plank flooring, reupholstered everything, massive TV and sound system upgrade, lifted the suspension to fit well with my Dodge 3500 4x4 tow rig, along with a bunch of electrical tweaks and other small fixes. I currently sit in that rig typing this post, as I isolate from my family for 14 days due to CV-19 concerns (I returned from Korea a few days ago). With immune-suppressed family members, I'm playing it safe and staying out of the house. I'm parked in the side yard at my home, with full hook-ups and a hot tub nearby. So it's not too bad. We lived in this RV for 6 months when our house had a mold issue. We being me, the wife, 3 kids, and 2 dogs. I was never uncomfortable, nor was anybody else really, until summer temps pushed beyond the limits of our single 13,000 BTU A/C unit. But due to the "cabin-fever" and general chaos of being stuffed into 250 square feet of living area for a prolonged time, fond memories of the experience are non-existent with my wife and kids. Hence, there has been little eagerness to spend time in it anywhere on earth .... even if it's in an awesome natural setting, like a mountain lake or at the beach. We have only taken 2 RV trips since our house was rehabilitated. I've known for some time that I needed to consider a nicer, newer, fresh-to-us RV in order to rekindle an eagerness to take camping road trips. Now we can shed the bunkhouse requirement, since there is just one kid left at home. So that opens up a lot of options that did not exist when I was hunting for a fifth wheel with easy sleeping for 5. I have considered a diesel pusher as an eventual goal, always putting off any serious searches due to the capital investment and operational/fixed costs compared to the fifth wheel (which is basically free to own), along with the proverbial spousal resistance, which I expect others on this board have had to hurdle at some point. Imagine my elation today, when my wife knocked on the door and dropped off dinner, while keeping a safe, germ-free distance and uttered these words: "Maybe we should get one of those big self-driving RV thingy's - you'd have more room, and we could just turn the key and go if a bad situation happens." I tried to act casual in my response, and said, "yeah, that's something we should look at." In my mind, that lead to a Tim Allen moment ... oh, oh, oh more power, bigger, better, oh, oh, oh (scratch the armpit). So here I am. As great as I think a DP might be, I do have a some reservations still, but it's time to sort through all the possibilities. One issue is I'm debt-adverse. I would only consider a cash purchase or big down-payment, low interest financing with an aggressive pay-off schedule. That, along with a desire to avoid later engines with DPF or DEF, places me in the target model years of 2000-2008 most likely. I also like the idea of a rig that has probably plateaued on its depreciation curve. Just a few years ago, I thought I'd need a $80 to $100,000 budget to get anything decent in a DP. But now I am seeing some really nice rigs in the sub-$50,000 range, so that's where my mind is. Just yesterday, I fell into a YouTube "wormhole" and watched a RV dealer walk-through of a 2000 Monaco Diplomat 38D with a Cummins ISC 8.3, just traded by the original owner. It appeared to be highly maintained and tastefully optioned/upgraded, and made the impression of being an incredible "bang for the buck." 155,000 miles on the odometer, asking $29,950. Over the years, I have purchased a number of older, well-maintained, cars, trucks, motorcycles, boats and airplanes. At the end of the day, old is old and there are potential pitfalls, no matter how loved the machine has been. But the value of buying something I could have never afforded new, but has a lot of remaining life, has always been very attractive to me. If I could find a pre-DEF 2008-ish model year quality coach for a good price, right back to something like the 2000 Monaco referenced above, I think that would be in my sweet-spot. I am open to guidance from anybody that has gone through a similar thought process. As I am in the early stages of trying to learn much more about DP coaches, one thing I have not got a handle on is seat-belted positions aft of the driver and copilot seats. Is there a timeframe (or a manufacturer) that is more likely to have seat belts installed at the sofas, dinettes or chairs? I'd like to be able to secure at least two more passengers, aside from the up-front seating positions. I feel like our family is much more insulated from injury in the cab of our modern pick-up truck while hauling a fifth wheel, with numerous airbags and other safety features than we would ever be in a big, rolling fiberglass box greatly devoid federally mandated safety features. But seat belts would appease me a bit. I welcome comments from those who have weighed the safety of riding in a tow rig vs. a Class A. I've seen the post-crash pictures of both self-contained and towable RVs; it's clear the RV structure does little to protect human occupants, but the tow vehicle seems to come out better most of the time. So it's not a trivial consideration. I know posts from newbies trying to make a decision come along all too frequently. But I do not think there is a better way to learn than gaining perspective from those who have passed this trail ahead of me. I won't be disappointed to be talked out of a Class A, as I'm certain a change in fifth wheels would get us back in the road again. And that's the main goal. But we sure like the idea of all of us sharing the living space as we roll, being able to pull over at anytime to use the amenities, etc. I hope to be primed and ready to act when this virus is on the down swing! Thanks, and take care of yourselves, and each other (from a distance). Here is a great LINK that may help in the decision - as Wolf learned a lot over the two years and despite all the recommendations to try used first he purchased a new DutchStar from Newmar.. How do I even Start looking for a good Class A While a little long it appears you have a little time on your hands so the read may be interesting, and may help fill some time. Hoping you have a larger screen to work from in the RV. in reading your post it appears you are pretty handy so used will not be an issue, but once you decide post again to get as much feedback as possible on the chosen Coach. First and most Important IMHO, will be to List the Mission - then to go through that list and prioritize what you NEED - Want and would Like, as the likes often overshadow the NEEDS! FloorPlan, FloorPlan, FloorPlan, FloorPlan did I mention FLOORPLAN :) - next is Quality of the Build (Manufacturer) and level of Quality - I'm a big fan of Wood - Solid Wood - Engine and where it lands in the DEF world - again IMHO - Big Deal - Tires and Age/Quality - Storage - inside or out as it grew older - as most coaches in the 12-20 year category age painted and Paint Checking is common on most that were stored outside - For me personally I use the Coach in the Winter so heat - non Propane was a big deal - Hydro Hot and it's condition...........as you can tell I could go on an on - a PM might just be better if you think I could help more. OH, then after the Class A decision, then you need to start thinking about the TOAD, :) Read through the recommended Link - maybe ask the question again on that forum - as it seems to be a lot more active. Hoping this is of some help. Best of Luck,
Busskipper 03/27/20 06:53am Class A Motorhomes
RE: I-40 E to I-44E to I-70E? NM to VT

I am asking the best way to get from Tucumcari, NM to Brattleboro, VT in these unusual days. Any hints from current travelers would be greatly appreciated. I'd avoid any stops in Large cities - traffic other that truck traffic should be light - with just a little planning this might work - MAP Fuel stops and fixing your own food - Wal*Mart - Allstays Wal*Mart locations - as many CG's are not open yet. This has been a great little focus time for me an My Coach - Completely emptying it - to repack - Fixed the unfixable Samsung - Rebuilt Dishwasher - Hand rubbed all the Wood and Leather....Long List Of to Do's - So if this goes on for another couple weeks I'll still be busy. If you think about it - actually look at the statistics/Map it is where we are concentrated - or where travel is central - Big Airports - not to say it is not managing to poke into rural America, it has, just not too much, as some did travel. I have not been in contact with anyone other than than the DW in 12 days and am still health so there is hope, Sorry got off on a tangent - the Map should help - if you stay away from others you should be fine - Soap and Water works - Just be sure you have plenty of Both. Best of Luck,
Busskipper 03/22/20 10:38am Roads and Routes
RE: Multi month trip planning

I use Bing maps as a planner but .........this is my Spreadsheet (off the other site) for next summer; Some of us not so Much with the Spread Sheet. Me Summer trip sheet; Start in Maryland go to Colorado - then Utah - then Colorado - then Wyoming - then - Fly to Maryland - Family reunion - fly back to Colorado.....Spreads Pretty thin - :cool: The best part is we all do it differently - and in an RV - they all Work. - :thumb: - :dance: - :thumb:
Busskipper 03/22/20 10:21am Roads and Routes
RE: ...and Mesa Verde National Park...

A good time to visit when it is quiet and contemplate the fate of the Universe. There are going to be some visiting opportunities in the NPS system with partial closures. "I have always found MV to be a very spiritual place." As is Canyon de Chelly - but it too is closed.
Busskipper 03/22/20 10:15am RV Parks, Campgrounds and Attractions
RE: ...and Mesa Verde National Park...

...also joins in National Park closures. While the park itself is currently open, most current and future services are not, along with some of the cliff dwellings. Notably, Morefield CG and the Farview Lodge area are closed, along with the Visitors Center and Museum until MAY 1, 2020. Source H E R E Closed but Open - M Mesa Verde National Park Operational Updates Due to the Novel (New) Coronavirus (COVID-19) Mesa Verde remains open, but the park and park partners are modifying operations to implement the latest guidance from the White House, Centers for Disease Control & Prevention (CDC), and local and state authorities to promote social distancing. Please see below for operational and public health information and updates. Closures and Delays All public facilities are closed until May 1. These include: • Visitor and Research Center and Store • Morefield Campground • Far View Lodge and Metate Room • Far View Terrace Café and Gift Shop • Chapin Mesa Archeological Museum and Museum Store • Spruce Tree Terrace Café and Gift Shop Cliff Palace will remain closed and all tours are cancelled until May 1. Refunds for Cliff Palace tours will take place automatically, but those who had reservations should confirm this by checking recreation.gov.
Busskipper 03/21/20 08:33am RV Parks, Campgrounds and Attractions
RE: Favorite campground on the Gunnison River

The section of road/river between Sapinero and Gunnison isn't particularly scenic. I guess what I should say is there are few trees in this area. When we need a night or two along US 50 between Gunnison and Montrose we stay at the Cimarron CG. It's a NPS CG between the road to South Rim of Black Canyon and Sapinero. Flush toilets and a dump station. Some of the sites have some pretty good sized cottonwood trees for shade. I might suggest heading north of Gunnison to Almont and take the road up to Taylor Park Reservoir. A number of NFS CG's along this road, some with reservable sites. Also Lake View CG above Taylor Park. From there you can drive to Tincup which still has a lot of houses standing, many are now summer cabins. Drive up to and past Crested Butte to Gothic for some of the most outstanding fields of wildflowers in Colorado. There are ghost towns and mining ruins throughout this area. From this area, you can now drive over Cottonwood Pass which drops you right into Buena Vista. Plan an extra day or two in Silverton and rent a jeep. There are so many ruins in this area that you simply can't reach with your rig. Red Mountain, Engineer Pass, Cinnamon Pass, Yankee Boy Basin Road above Ouray. You can spend quite a bit of time exploring some amazing places in the Silverton/Ouray area. Most ghost towns to explore in this area than in the Salida/Buena Vista area. I'm not sure you'll want to venture over Independence Pass on CO 82 with your rig. There are places on the west side where the road is very narrow. There are places where the road is around 12'-13' wide. I've met dually's up there and someone has to back up to find a place to pass. Make sure you continue on the old railroad grade up past St. Elmo to Hancock. If you're feeling up to it, there's a trail to the collapsed east portal of the Alpine Tunnel. Well worth the hike. Better ghost town hunting north in the valley around Leadville. Think Ken is giving you the info you are looking for - he's been in these parts for Years (Whole Life) so he can lead you to the things few really Know. If you need a CG with FHU's there is one on RT 50 that could work as you were going from A to B - https://www.blackcanyonrvpark.com/ Rico on the western side of where you will be on RT 145 might also be of interest with the Public Hot Springs........ just a thought. Sounds like you will be having a great trip, Ken is correct on the perils of RT 82 - Independence Pass - While you will not be breaking the law it will be in just a couple spots, very tight - but it is not normally a heavily traveled route. Last take time to stop at Devils Punch Bowl - Devils Punch Bowl images Best of Luck,
Busskipper 03/11/20 07:31am RV Parks, Campgrounds and Attractions
RE: Route from NY to NM

Hello all! We are planning a road trip from Long Island, NY to Founders Ranch in Edgewood, New Mexico in June of 2021. We would like to spend a week traveling to NM and sight seeing along the way, maybe try out using some BLM land for camping. We will be in NM for a week then we would like to take a different route home where we will spend a week sight seeing on the way home. Any help with this would be greatly appreciated We are traveling with 3 RVs, 2 Class A motorhomes and 1 Travel Trailer THanks!!! Couple things that can Help - get off the Island EARLY and beat the traffic - maybe on Friday after work - everyone is packed and ready to go on Thursday, you have no idea how big this will be. With Three(3) vehicles the chances of all three making it to NM without some issue is Slim - so you need to have a plan for that! Most likely the closest thing you will have to BLM is a Wal*Mart, until you get to New Mexico. Sorry but the drive out is that A Drive ...a long 2,100 miles - so if you can get 200 miles on that first Friday that will leave you with 1,900 miles in 7 days - your average speed will be closer to 50 than 60 mph so think about that when you plan. Eight Hours in the Saddle is a long day. What we will usually do with Kids is the Friday drive out - Wal*Mart - as long a day as possible to a CG with a Pool for the Night and the Early Morning then two more long days - before giving the kids a break again. Route is one of Many so just use your Mapping choice to get to where it thinks is easiest. We use Zoom, or Bing Maps over google as it works better for us. Give us more details and maybe we can help more with specifics. Hope this is of some help, edit; just saw your post - 12 hour days will work if you can handle them and will get you there sooner - there is where you want to spend time - so get there and then look for spots - where in NM? It's a big and Varied area - Mountains and Desert - if you are looking to find and enjoyable stop as you drive across the flyover States look for a reservoir with a CG often they are nice. NY to Founders Ranch in Edgewood, New Mexico in June of 2021 - missed that:S - more info will still help. :) I’ll have to look closer at the routes and give you guys an idea, figured maybe someone had a suggested route. I should add the wife and I both drive, usually do 4 hrs then switch, with 2 shifts each a lot of times we get 16hrs Of driving. If you are driving 16 hours = 800 miles for two days - then you could easily make the drive in 3 days - we have done that too many times to Golden, Colorado, from Maryland, with just one driver, so it is doable. I'd still try to get out that first evening to get off the Island and out of the traffic so as to make this an easy 3.5 day drive out and Back. so if you did that after your week in New Mexico you could spend a full Week Bumping around in Colorado before heading back to the Island. Possible Map out and Back. Just sounds like you would be a Great Candidate for some time in the San Juan's and then up to Buena Vista, so much that is just wild and Beautiful in these areas. I threw in RT 36 going Back as it is really a good Road/easy drive that we have grown to enjoy as it is almost free of truck traffic and the Pavement is good. This would be a demanding drive out and back but would give you two weeks in the Southwest - Heaven! Just a little more food for thought - having made this drive to Denver some 25 times now - I can honestly say the drive out is one with few places that I would ever look to return to, especially knowing what I'm Missing out West.:) Hope this is of more help,
Busskipper 03/11/20 07:02am Roads and Routes
RE: Favorite campground on the Gunnison River

I've checked out the various campgrounds on the Gunnison River between Sapinero and Gunnison. Campgroundreviews, Google and the others seem to rate them as OK. I'm wondering if any of you folks have any favorites, private, state or whatever, in that area. We're planning to stay in the area for about a week and have no problem bouncing from one place to another to take in the different sights. We will be traveling in our Class C no tow. We will be working our way north to the South Rim Black Canyon campground then over to Buena Vista to visit St Elmo's. Will be in Colorado for the month of July. July will likely require reservations - and unless you get some elevation you might need some electric for A/C. Hoping you have included - Ouray - Ridgway - possibly Marble - Crested Butte - Maroon Bells - ...............on and on. Thinking you are just stopping to Sleep so the issue is really not the CG as a base but as a place along your route. So some sort of route with the stops would help. Where will you start and what will be the Mission. Does that make any sense? Free campsites Colorado - link might help some. Here is a Map of a drive around in Colorado in the RV, I had worked up for all the Granddaughters this summer for a trip that failed, as they had too many activities to get away for three or four weeks. It would allow you to see much of Colorado that we've grown to Love - MAP while this may be way too intense a pace for most, it's a big state with soooooo much to see and do. Best of Luck, May be of interest https://www.pbase.com/sparker1/root%26view=tree https://lynn.smugmug.com/Travel/Colorado-Mountains-and-Aspens/i-tsVRkXg https://www.irv2.com/forums/f42/ouray-and-san-juans-rock-n-roll-3-days-to-visit-442372.html
Busskipper 03/10/20 08:19am RV Parks, Campgrounds and Attractions
RE: Route from NY to NM

Hello all! We are planning a road trip from Long Island, NY to Founders Ranch in Edgewood, New Mexico in June of 2021. We would like to spend a week traveling to NM and sight seeing along the way, maybe try out using some BLM land for camping. We will be in NM for a week then we would like to take a different route home where we will spend a week sight seeing on the way home. Any help with this would be greatly appreciated We are traveling with 3 RVs, 2 Class A motorhomes and 1 Travel Trailer THanks!!! Couple things that can Help - get off the Island EARLY and beat the traffic - maybe on Friday after work - everyone is packed and ready to go on Thursday, you have no idea how big this will be. With Three(3) vehicles the chances of all three making it to NM without some issue is Slim - so you need to have a plan for that! Most likely the closest thing you will have to BLM is a Wal*Mart, until you get to New Mexico. Sorry but the drive out is that A Drive ...a long 2,100 miles - so if you can get 200 miles on that first Friday that will leave you with 1,900 miles in 7 days - your average speed will be closer to 50 than 60 mph so think about that when you plan. Eight Hours in the Saddle is a long day. What we will usually do with Kids is the Friday drive out - Wal*Mart - as long a day as possible to a CG with a Pool for the Night and the Early Morning then two more long days - before giving the kids a break again. Route is one of Many so just use your Mapping choice to get to where it thinks is easiest. We use Zoom, or Bing Maps over google as it works better for us. Give us more details and maybe we can help more with specifics. Hope this is of some help, edit; just saw your post - 12 hour days will work if you can handle them and will get you there sooner - there is where you want to spend time - so get there and then look for spots - where in NM? It's a big and Varied area - Mountains and Desert - if you are looking to find and enjoyable stop as you drive across the flyover States look for a reservoir with a CG often they are nice. NY to Founders Ranch in Edgewood, New Mexico in June of 2021 - missed that:S - more info will still help. :)
Busskipper 03/09/20 07:14am Roads and Routes
RE: Vernal UT to Lake City CO.

Going to Lake City CO. from Vernal UT. Googles routes me to Hwy 50 in Grand Junction then on to 26 (Lake City Cutoff Rd) on 149 to Lake City. Does anyone know what kind of road is 26? Google doesn't do a good zoom on it. Full disclosure - I've not been on this road. However, THIS Google Search - Lake City Cutoff Road comes up with this specific review on TripAdvisor. General google search gives other info. Sounds like it's something locals use, but may not be appropriate for most RVs as far as time savings. Thom, really a road not Traveled - :h - Gives you a reason to head into the Southern part of Colorado - Thinking that is a Miss-que by Google Maps - now in the Toad.....might be fun but not likely Faster. Glad to have one of the Colorado Pro's chime in and help clear it up. :)
Busskipper 03/04/20 06:50am Roads and Routes
RE: Vernal UT to Lake City CO.

Going to Lake City CO. from Vernal UT. Googles routes me to Hwy 50 in Grand Junction then on to 26 (Lake City Cutoff Rd) on 149 to Lake City. Does anyone know what kind of road is 26? Google doesn't do a good zoom on it. I've made this drive and have no idea where RT 26 is? I'd take 139 - 50 - to 149 to Lake City - Sorry I have no idea where ths RT 26 might be. Could Be a Gravel 4X4 road that is not on the regular map - MAP Years ago I had directions that tried to take me over the Alpine Loop in the RV - But - as you zoom in and check it out it will likely just be a 4X4 only route. The Bing map I posted is the only real way there. Lots of other ways to get to RT 50 RT 149 intersection but that would be a whole nother story. :) Hope this helps, You will Love Lake City - It's a piece of the Old West - Wild and Beautiful - Really Beautiful - Lake City, CO Images
Busskipper 03/04/20 06:18am Roads and Routes
RE: In Quartzsite, thinking of Montanna.. don’t like mountains..

Going up California might be fun, but then, are the routes through the mountains fairly flat? Otherwise, it looks like I go back east to New Mexico and turn north towards Denver. Q: What are the flat routes? Best option for you might be to head to San Diego then up the coast fairly flat most of the way. Option two, catch a plane.
Busskipper 03/03/20 07:54am Roads and Routes
RE: Sedona to Moab and all points in between

Ok everyone, make us a "List" of things to see and places to stop. Traveling from Sedona AZ eventually arriving in to Moab for Jeep Week. We've been to Monument Valley and Arches National park, but need suggestions for other points in-between. All suggestions are appreciated in advance. Thanks to you all. Something like THIS might be Fun. Sedona to HorseShoe bend then maybe a slot canyon or two before Page/Lake Powell - then Possibly Zion if you are ready for the Crowds - Angels Landing and the Narrows are always calling - Bryce is worth the effort - With Escalante and Kodachrome as a stop - then RT 12 and and the Hog Back before Capital Reef - I highly recommend the drive across the Narrow part of Lake Powell along with a drive in the Jeep on some of the shores - Now Catch Natural Bridge before heading on up to Moab and all the fun, don't miss the drive along RT 128. One more link that will help with giving you some Local Knowledge of the town. 4runners Guide to Moab!. Hope this was what you were after. Best of Luck,
Busskipper 02/28/20 11:55am Roads and Routes
RE: Driving through D.C.

We'll be pulling a 19' Coleman 17FQ through D.C. to drop off our daughters at a hotel where they'll be attending a wedding for a weekend. My wife and I will continue on out of D.C. for a few hours to camp for the weekend, before returning to pick them up and head back home to Ohio. We don't plan on any layover in D.C., just "stop, and get out/in...quickly!" Have any of you pulled a camper through D.C., or am I just asking for trouble, and should I make alternative plans/routes? Any tips or suggestions would be greatly appreciated! Thanks! First - it just depends on your comfort level - I have Driven My Coach and many others in DC - But I live here and it is really not an Issue. Give us more info and Maybe we can be more specific - for just smarts and ease of driving I'd select the CG and leave the trailer before going into Town - then when you are ready to leave and are hooked up, to pick the girls up, it is not totally unfamiliar to you. It's just a city with some tight streets ......so being slightly familiar will help. Best of Luck,
Busskipper 02/25/20 06:29am Roads and Routes
RE: Grand Lake, CO from the west

Black Canyon to Grand Lake: The route with the easiest grades would be US 50 east to Grand Junction, then catch I-70 and head east to CO 131 at Walcott. North on CO 131 to just over the Colorado River at State Bridge and then head east on the Trough Road (CR 1) which parallels the Colorado River for part of its length. The Trough Road is a well maintained graded road that they put magchloride on to keep it smooth and the dust down. This joins CO 9 just south of Kremmling. From there it's east on US 40 etc. If it's dry weather, the Trough Road is the route we (and other locals) take to Grand Lake from Glenwood Springs. If it's rainy, magchloride makes the road kind of slippery so we head north to Toponas and take CO 134 east over Gore Pass to US 40, then take a right to Granby, etc. Gore Pass is just over 9500' so a pretty easy pass. For a little more scenic variation on this route, take CO 92 out of Delta to CO 133 and over McClure Pass and on through Carbondale. Then north on CO 82 to Glenwood Springs, I-70, etc. The drive along the Crystal River is one of the most amazingly scenic routes in this state esp. up by Marble and Redstone. Leaving Grand Lake: I think the hardest thing about going over Trail Ridge Road is dealing with all the traffic. Lots of people sightseeing = slow going. Heading south over Berthoud Pass means heading into Denver from Empire on a very busy stretch of I-70. Not a difficult drive but for the traffic. CO 14 over Cameron Pass and down the Poudre is indeed scenic but can also be quite busy esp. on weekends. If you don't mind the extra time, the route up CO 125/127 to WY 230 is an excellent option. Ken has been the on line authority for almost 20 years, on Colorado - Between Ken and Thom you are getting what, IMHO is the Best Local advice on All Things Colorado. Almost 15 years ago I posted a Picture of a View that I could not remember it's location - Ken ID'd it and then gave me the History.... I've never forgotten that, so Yes Ken Knows Colorado well!
Busskipper 02/25/20 06:22am Roads and Routes
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