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RE: 2023 Power Stroke vs 2023 Ram Cummins Towing Challenge
You guys are too much!
The HD Ram diesel has been long overdue for an auto with more cogs since before the Frogs took over.
Heck, they were road testing the Powerline back in 2017-2018 fitted in to 4th Gens. It was a go and then Covid. My source (yup a buddy who has been w ZF for about 15 years now) says the Powerline will be in the ‘24 models now finally. But not advertised as to not hurt the sales of the current models. Especially the suckers still buying 68rfe trucks. True or not? Time will tell.
S u cks for me as I’d really like to find a newer used Ram here soon but even if they come out this year, it’ll be a couple more years before there’s any Grit dog priced Powerline Rams for sale….
I’d get a 10speed L5P but the Chebbies are still uglier than a mud fence and my brain is just barely starting to wrap around the busy look of the Jimmys front clips (although worlds better than the family truckster look…). Plus GMCs it seems the majority are either full zoot Denalis which have become nothing more than a status symbol with prices to match, or white work trucks…leaves VEry few mid level trim GMCs at all on the market. New or used.
Troll... :B
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07/28/23 01:22pm |
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RE: 2023 Power Stroke vs 2023 Ram Cummins Towing Challenge
And so has the RV.net Karen... Along his all new revised mirrors for 2023 :W
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FishOnOne
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07/27/23 05:14pm |
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RE: 2023 Power Stroke vs 2023 Ram Cummins Towing Challenge
It's just that he basically was bad mouthing something he should not have. "Bad transmission it needs more gears", it has gears he could have used them.
The standard output Cummins doesn't have the kind of torque rise that the high output does. More gears behind the Standard Output would help it perform a little better.
As presently tuned, the HO wouldn't benefit much at all by adding gears. If they ever put more gears behind the High Output Cummins they will probably flatten out the torque curve a little bit as well. By doing so they will increase the peak HP some to help it compete a little better with GM and Ford.
It seems that since the French took over Chrysler, RAM hasn't really made any significant upgrades. The exception could be their upcoming EV truck and their 1500 ICE trucks midcycle refresh isn't expected to be released until MY 2025.
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07/27/23 09:15am |
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RE: 2023 Power Stroke vs 2023 Ram Cummins Towing Challenge
At my age(will complete my 8th decade on the planet next June) I am slowly deciding that being the first to the top of the hill is not that important anymore.
As a kid learning to drive trucks one of the very first thing the ‘old guys’ taught me was “Don’t chase the governor! It’s hard on the truck & the driver.”. Those words have served me very well over the decades since.
Ontario is pretty flat in this area, just some slow rolling hills and pretty gentle grades, but this is such a massive place that if you venture further out you certainly get into some serious grades.
Generally the only ‘mountains’ that I have to run through, although I can mostly go around them, are the Appalachians on the frequent north / south runs.
In my own rig I’ve found the ‘sweet spot’ is about 68 mph (110 km/h) and if I can hit the bottom of the hill at that speed or a smidge more it makes a huge difference in how much speed bleeds of in climbing the grade. I figure everyone else is in the same boat and we’ll all get the lost speed back on the downhill run after cresting.
Or don't lug the engine
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FishOnOne
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07/25/23 12:13pm |
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RE: 2023 Power Stroke vs 2023 Ram Cummins Towing Challenge
At my age(will complete my 8th decade on the planet next June) I am slowly deciding that being the first to the top of the hill is not that important anymore.
I'm half your age and think speed up a hill towing among any of the diesels has been a draw for at least a decade now, if not more. The exhaust brake is an area Ford and GM can still meaningfully improve, imo.
To me speed equates to towing performance or said another way towing comfortably. Like I always said... Towing Got Easier :B
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FishOnOne
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07/24/23 02:45pm |
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RE: 2023 Power Stroke vs 2023 Ram Cummins Towing Challenge
At my age(will complete my 8th decade on the planet next June) I am slowly deciding that being the first to the top of the hill is not that important anymore.
I'm half your age and think speed up a hill towing among any of the diesels has been a draw for at least a decade now, if not more. The exhaust brake is an area Ford and GM can still meaningfully improve, imo.
I agree with you there about the exhaust brake. Ram has always been strong there. But that being said, I have a friend who runs a 2020 SRW F350 with a Jayco Pinnacle. He stated on his way down Black Mountain (NC) all he had to do was set the exhaust brake to auto and he never had to touch the brake one time. It held a constant speed all the way down.
I'm not 100% sure how that auto setting operates but whatever he did, I'd be happy with that result.
The "auto" modulates the exhaust break to maintain a specific speed and the "On" position is full exhaust break and try's to slow down the vehicle.
Having said that, the cummins does have the strongest exhaust break.
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FishOnOne
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07/24/23 05:59am |
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RE: 2023 Power Stroke vs 2023 Ram Cummins Towing Challenge
Where I live we don't have any hills. The closest would be the Texas hill country area.
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FishOnOne
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07/20/23 11:03am |
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RE: Interesting mpg last trip
Good report... If I was in the market for a half ton truck I would have a hard time deciding between the 2.5EB and the 3.5EB engines.
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FishOnOne
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07/20/23 11:00am |
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RE: 2023 Power Stroke vs 2023 Ram Cummins Towing Challenge
At my age(will complete my 8th decade on the planet next June) I am slowly deciding that being the first to the top of the hill is not that important anymore.
Nothing wrong with that...
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FishOnOne
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07/19/23 10:54pm |
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RE: High Mileage Trucks: PSD and Cummins and Duramax
Here's another interesting high mileage setup
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FishOnOne
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07/19/23 12:14pm |
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RE: High Mileage Trucks: PSD and Cummins and Duramax
Here's some more high mileage trucks for sale: Of course for your viewing entertainment. These are two clean trucks for their mileage.
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FishOnOne
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07/19/23 12:03pm |
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RE: High Mileage Trucks: PSD and Cummins and Duramax
Most trucks go to the junk yard with perfectly servicable engine cores.
The body, suspension and interior wear out before the engine does.
Curent 2008 V10 has just shy of 250k miles on it heading home from Alaska/Yukon trip right now.
Might still be too early to tell and I don't live in the rust belt, but it appears the aluminum body panels are holding up well to the road salt, but not sure about the frame and suspension components
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FishOnOne
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07/19/23 05:56am |
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High Mileage Trucks: PSD and Cummins and Duramax
Truck has 275k miles and spent most of it's life in Canada.
Enjoy...
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Edit: Changed title to include Cummins and Duramax to receive some love too.
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FishOnOne
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07/18/23 03:02pm |
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RE: Ford vs Chevy vs Ram HD DRW Drag Race
I remember a while back a GM engineer went on record saying there's was no TQ management about the same time the 10 speed transmission was released.
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FishOnOne
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07/16/23 11:40am |
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RE: Ford vs Chevy vs Ram HD DRW Drag Race
And this is one of the reasons why I kept away from this forum. Too much brand bashing and my favorite brand is better than your favorite brand instead of just enjoying what we have. I understand why it happens and why people do it, but I'd rather just stay away from it.
Just checked in after six months only to see nothing has changed. See ya'll in another six. Hopefully this forum will get past this by then.
Prost, everybody!
Hey... Prost to you too! :C
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FishOnOne
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07/14/23 05:48pm |
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2024 GMC Canyon AT4X AEV
Looks pretty good with those 35" tires. This truck also has a respectable lift and launch control. Not sure why it needs launch control with standard HP engine.
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FishOnOne
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07/13/23 08:13pm |
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RE: 2023 Power Stroke vs 2023 Ram Cummins Towing Challenge
Yes I thought there was some room to downshift as well, but I would have preferred it to downshift to give a little more power to work with going up that hill.
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FishOnOne
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07/10/23 08:34pm |
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2023 Power Stroke vs 2023 Ram Cummins Towing Challenge
Ford: Better towing acceleration, better performance, better fuel economy, less squat
Ram: Better exhaust brake, good ride quality.
Looks like the 6 speed vs 10 speed discussion has been exposed in this video.
Enjoy...
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This evaluation was performed by a Ram owner.
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FishOnOne
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07/09/23 08:48pm |
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RE: Ford vs Chevy vs Ram HD DRW Drag Race
The fact that under load the Duramax was faster 0-60 than the PS. I actually expected the DMax to be faster empty. It clearly was not. I guess one can assume that the PS is managed under load and less so running empty. The DMax must have less management all the way around, but left to the numbers, the PS's additional HP, left unmanaged, is more than the DMax can match.
From a GM perspective, if your coming in statistically that much lower than the PS, you better turn it loose to compete. If your looking for a reason to find this interesting, this video shows that driving either one of these pickups as a daily, it will perform empty very much like a high hp gas 1500/150, the PS even more so.
What exactly are you thinking torque management is? I doubt very much that the Ford's poor performance on the hill has anything to do with torque management. That said, I have no idea why it performed so poorly. I know that my '21 Powerstroke got better fuel economy than my '22 Powerstroke does... both trucks were spec'ed identical. My brother's '22 (spec'd identical to my '22) gets similar mileage to what my '21 got. Maybe there are slight differences that make one engine more efficient or more powerful than another?
I think torque management is the pickup depowering itself to stop from damaging itself. It could be just differences in pickups. I don't know obviously what the exact cause is, it just seems when these trucks now know when their overloaded that it would be easy to manage the torque depending on the weight they are pulling. With the power that the Ford has, maybe they try to protect the pickup when pulling that much weight from aggressive starts. With the pickup unloaded, they allow it to run more aggressively. The Ford pickup in the drag race decisively was faster than the DMax, seems more than just a difference in one pickup to another. GM was infamous for a while for "dead pedal", a form of torque management. That went away when the trucks were able to tow more weight. Perhaps Ford is doing something similar. Going up the IKE, the Ford should have owned that run, and while it was the fastest, it should have been much faster as you pointed out. As I stated before, given how warm the Ford got, I am left to believe they manage the power when pulling heavy.
For some reason the Ford stayed in 6th gear for a while and then it finally shifted to 7th gear and then gained some speed. Not sure why, but this is what it did. Although my truck is a'12, it sometimes does a late shift as well. Having said that we now know the 2020 Power Stroke was way underrated and I suspect the 2024 Duramax is underrated as well.
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FishOnOne
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07/09/23 04:58pm |
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RE: Ford vs Chevy vs Ram HD DRW Drag Race
3...2...1... Let's Go!
Enjoy
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BTW... Since TFL has their Ram truck hopefully we can see an Ike pull
I normally don't watch these videos you post , or comment ,but I did this one. This was by far the stupidest one I could imagine , really three grown men drag racing these dually's , which is the last thing they were ever built for . It would of made a little more sense if they had some weight hooked up to them ,but even then so what .
I normally don't partake in your endless Sailun tires and fifth wheel hitch arguments.
Well you are paying attention . :) But as said what actually was the point of this video . I'll bet my Cummins will out run my neighbors old 7.3 power stroke ,so what .
It's pretty simple... The point of this video is in the description of this thread.
So one of the potential take aways from this video is there any obvious torque management going on with these trucks. :C So you can watch it with angsts or curiosity. The choice is yours.
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FishOnOne
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07/09/23 11:08am |
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