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RE: Future Used RV Market

Seems a lot of people on here are thinking that all the people who paid a small fortune for their RV are going to throw their arms up and put them up for sale for pennies on the dollar. Don't count on it. The vast majority of those who bought due to Covid in the Northern states will soon face reality if they haven't already. That is the campgrounds are closed until April, and even later the farther north one goes. Unless they want to drive or tow the RV far south it's going to sit for months. Most do not realize the amount of maintenance involved without taking into account the bad build quality, materials, and methods used to begin with. They look at it like a car purchase and think its pretty much set it and forget it. I was at a large dealer last year tire kicking when it happened to be raining hard, and the amount of brand new rigs sitting on that lot which were leaking was beyond belief. Those were the ones you could see such as around slides and such. By spring their will be plenty of water damaged units in northern states sitting on storage lots and in driveways/backyards, which will not even be worth pennies on the dollar.
GDS-3950BH 11/30/20 03:27am General RVing Issues
RE: Future Used RV Market

Assuming the vaccines are successful, we are probably looking at 2022 before we see a big dumping of RVs (if that happens at all). A lot of people will still be nervous about air travel for a year or two. Nervous for a year or two, these are not flying around empty. https://i.imgur.com/XNqgzfvl.jpg Plus keep in mind, it's not unusual for a family of 4 to dump $10k into a 2 week vacation...so I don't think people are going to panic over a $20k RV sitting in the back yard. From what I have seen the Covidiot Campers did not buy $20K rigs but the largest most expensive they could find or afford, or thought they could afford. When this pandemic all shakes out along with recent events, and the coming recession hits home because of that, a lot of folks are going to be in a world of financial hurt.
GDS-3950BH 11/29/20 01:52pm General RVing Issues
RE: Virus and RGV Rv parks

Statistics on infection rates are misleading to most people. The state with the highest infection rate currently is North Dakota with a rate of 120 per 100K people in the last 7 days. The lowest in the contiguous 48 states is Maine with a rate of 12.5 per hundred thousand. Statistically, that shows that the rate in North Dakota is 10 times that of Maine. Sounds really scary, but as a practical matter it also means that you would have to have close contact with 1000 North Dakota residents in order to meet up with 1 infected person. You start to get into lottery odds trying to prevent COVID infections by geographic choice. While you are ten times less likely to contact an infected individual in Maine than you are in North Dakota, it is still pretty much a matter of bad luck if the 10 or fewer close contacts most people have in a day involve an infected person. Your personal behavior will be the driving force in keeping yourself safe. Avoiding Crowds, limiting close contacts with multiple people and being aware of your surroundings (i.e. don't run up and hug someone who is in the middle of a coughing fit and don't put yourself into a situation where you are packed arse to arse in an enclosed space like a crowded elevator) will be your best defense. It is my very slightly educated guesstimate that the Southern states are going to fare better than the northern states over the next few months simply because in the south there are fewer days everyone is forced indoors. It is an undisputed fact that most transmission takes place in enclosed spaces and during the winter that is where most northerners spend their time out of necessity. Now take into account that the CDC claims testing is only catching 1 in 8 cases, which if true would mean approximately 1 in 3 of the US population is infected or has been. They can't let a perfectly good crisis go to waste.
GDS-3950BH 11/29/20 09:40am Snowbirds
RE: Lipppert 6 point level system

We dumped a 2020 Solitude due to its never ending major problems, one of which was the LCI leveling control module that went out 3 times in a year. We dumped it right after the 3rd replacement so maybe the next sucker got lucky and 3 times was the charm. Anything Lippert is cheap junk which is why Grand Design and others use Lippert c rap.
GDS-3950BH 11/28/20 05:18pm Tech Issues
RE: Honest RV Dealers - Are there any?

Google reviews are very helpful. RvDirect (now RVONE I think) are about as close as I have ever gotten to a wholesale direct to buyer. They are a dealer but usually you have to know what you want and order. I've never bought anything from them but when shopping I found them to have the best deal up front and could pit other dealers against that number. They don't carry all brands and models. Ever notice they (RVOne) do not use the word "wholesale" in any of their advertising? Thats because its illegal to use in the states they have a presence in. One of the few states where that word can be used willy nilly is Ohio, which is why RV Wholesalers and Jeff Couch can use it in their advertising. Nothing really wholesale with them, they are just dealers the same as any other. The percieved lower prices simply reflect being close to the factories and less delivery costs. RV wholesalers pick their units up themselves at the factories. Take delivery cost out of the equation and any dealer could hit the same numbers if they cared to. IMO 99% of anyone in the RV Industry be it manufacturers, suppliers, or dealers, are low life bottom feeders and would sell their grandmother to make a buck.
GDS-3950BH 11/23/20 03:43am General RVing Issues
RE: Propane tank locks for my TT

Not a good idea....if there was ever a fire, those tanks need to be removed from there quickly to avoid an explosion. I would not want them locked to the trailer in any way shape or form. It may even be illegal so fire fighters can remove them quickly...think if the back of the trailer is on fire, you don't want to be trying to remember where the key is...and yes, I've seen this exact scenario play out (minus the lock). Also, there was a seasonal campground we stayed at and they caught the staff who stayed in their camper over the winter swapping out tanks from the rigs that were left there over the winter...so yes, it happens. If the back of the trailer is on fire you had better hope it lit up while you were towing it past a manned fire station. Being in a VFD for 40 years I've seen my share of RV's go up and a fire in the rear usually amounts to fully engulfed in less than 5 minutes. Were not going to try to remove propane tanks, or enter a burning RV, unless we have some reason to believe it's occupied. Short of a travel trailer with front mounted tanks, we're not going searching for tanks in closed compartments. We're going to stand off and hose it from a distance using the onboard supply in the pumper. By the time we laid out a line to a hydrant the thing would most likely be a smoking frame. If we wanted to remove tanks on a burning RV locked as in the video posted by the OP we would have that lock off in 10 seconds with one of these. https://i.imgur.com/l5rahxEl.jpg That said I am sure you have no shortage of Goobers who answered the alarm from their departments social club next door to the station after downing a six pack, and are out to be the hero.
GDS-3950BH 11/20/20 02:34am Do It Yourself Modifications and Upgrades (DIY)
RE: Coachman Chaparral

It is a typical entry level RV. Light weight construction, Lippert frame, etc. Those qualifications would make about 99% of all RV's made today an entry level RV. Including the Grand Design Solitude we dumped because of its total lack of build quality, which is advertised thus. "Affordable Luxury Extended Stay Vehicle If more room is what you desire, Solitude is the most spacious Extended Stay Fifth Wheel ever built! The Solitude RV delivers taller ceilings, taller, deeper cabinets, larger scenic window areas, a full 6' 8" tall slideout, and a body width that measures a full 101 inches! You may be looking for an extended stay unit to live in for months at a time... but you just may want to live in this one for the rest of your life!" Not even close LOL. Not only did we not want to live in it for the rest of our life, we did not want to camp another season in the piece of junk and were fed up with the constant issues most of which were more than small easily fixed items.
GDS-3950BH 11/20/20 02:03am Fifth-Wheels
RE: Border closure for land travel extended.

We really enjoy visiting Canada and the people and thank all of you for your wonderful country! If I was a Canadian I wouldn't even consider going to the US with the present situation. You might reconsider going to Canada. 'A catastrophic situation': COVID-19 threatens to overwhelm Canada's health system
GDS-3950BH 11/20/20 01:55am RVing in Canada and Alaska
RE: Best way to repair leaking PEX water line? Sharkbite?

Haven't removed access panel to see how line connects to water heater but will have to redo that as well. Winnebago uses a pex elbow in that location among others such as at city water connection and faucets, with pex crimped to one leg and flexible pvc tubing crimped with a pex ring to the other leg which connects to the water heater. Pex fittings are not made to have pvc tubing crimped to them and that is most likely where you'll find it leaking when you open it up. PVC tubing uses clamps and barb fittings. I have never seen an elbow made which is pex on one leg and barb on the other. Cut the pex clamp off the pvc and trim it, reinstall on the pex elbow with two small band clamps. Cross your fingers and hope. It usually works and is about the best you can do as you'll not usually have enough room to do it correctly which is why they booger it together that way to begin with. Cheap and fast manufacturing like lots of other brands. We had the same garbage methods used on 2 Grand Designs, a Keystone, and a FR Rockwood. They all eventually dripped at those locations, just a matter of time.
GDS-3950BH 11/16/20 02:44am Tech Issues
RE: 2020-21 Chevy/GMC Continental tire recall

That's what they get for buying Continental tires. How so? They're bad tires because they recalled 11000 or so? That must mean Michelin are bad also since they recalled 1.2 million back @ 2013? Every brand has had recalls at one time or another, if that sways your buying decisions best never to buy any and make them yourself.
GDS-3950BH 11/15/20 09:03am Tow Vehicles
RE: CDN Snowbirds getting their RV's across....

Get out and enjoy yourself or stay hunkered down. Its your choice. Don't try and push your beliefs, recommendations, or agenda on others, that's the governments job. Covid is not going away even with vaccines they are reporting to be 90% effective because 50% or better of the population are anti Vaxxers and are going to refuse to get it. Karen is certainly not going to let little snot nosed Johnny and Karen Jr get vaccinated. Herd immunity might take years to develop, just refer to run of the mill influenza as an example. Most folks on these boards will be worm food long before that takes place. If you want to stay 100% safe in the challenging, uncommon, trying times that were all in together, just stay in your basement, don a mask, and lock the doors. You may have to do that though until they plant you due to natural causes. Come on man.
GDS-3950BH 11/12/20 02:03am General RVing Issues
RE: Lippert TV Lift Remote

Lippert strikes again. Tactics such as this are their MO. They do it with everything they make or distribute. A great example is their backup cameras which they enter into agreements with the RV manufacturers to install $2 brackets on new RV's. Then the RV buyer purchases Lipperts system, and soon after either the monitor or camera sheets the bed. You have to buy another entire system, individual components or parts are unavailable. Try and buy parts or a motor for their Solara awnings or one of their slideout systems such as Schwintek and see what that sets you back, totally outrageous and they have you by the cahonies. The RV manufacturers love them though, and you'll be hard pressed to find an RV that comes out of Indiana that is not packed to the gills with Lipperts junk, from the frame to the windows. They're the lowest irresponsible bidder when it comes to supplying the manufacturers. They have a lot of what they supply manufactured overseas in lots, and once the lot is exhausted its off to the next low bid manufacturer on their end to save a nickel. Something they supplied last year, and parts for it,are not necessarily the same as what they're pawning off this year. I am not familiar with Lipperts remote but its either RF or IR, most likely IR. Many universal remotes are out there. Just a matter of finding the codes to program in or finding someone with a working remote to do a back to back scan and program the universal one.
GDS-3950BH 11/12/20 01:41am Tech Issues
RE: Conclusion made: 95% of all TT's are a crapshoot

Are there some brands under $30k that any of you recommend who stand behind their product and don't make the consumer regret their purchase? We're ready to pull the trigger on a larger TT, then sell ours, but man, this is disheartening. I will say my local mobile RV repair guy likes Forest River, so I guess he has no problem fixing them and getting paid properly.Yes - Grand Design. I've had personal experience with talking at length with a manager on their customer support team. I emailed them about a problem with my awning. I didn't get a return email, I got a call. The awning was detaching from the side. The warranty was long over. But they fixed it - correctly at no charge to me. My friend had the same issue with his Alpine - just out of warranty. They would not help - sorry, but your warranty period has expired they told him. GD sent me a recall notice about an electrical issue that could cause a fire. It is very hard for me to take off work to get it to the dealer who doesn't do intake on the weekend. They authorized a mobile mechanic to do the work at my storage location. Others will chime in and throw shade on them, but myself and a lot of others will tell you different. Research the brand on both of their forums - PM me if you want the links or just Google. I googled Grand Design dealers in NC and found a few close to you - Bill Plemmons RV World in Winston-Salem and Raleigh. Check them out. Go and tour a few units. I can't talk about price as it is different depending on where your located and current market. I will say that I negotiated a substantial percentage off the MSRP and got a front bedroom AC installed as part of the deal. Also - you are in a good position to negotiate. You have multiple dealers in the area for the brand, you already have a RV you can use - so you want a new one, but you don't NEED a new one. This is to your advantage. Winter is here and that's also to your advantage. So if you don't get what you want, you can just get up and leave - leaving them with your phone number. Also, don't trade in before attempting to sell on your own - it will most likely sell if you present it properly. And yes - they put their RV's together the same as other companies and yes, they may have issues. But beating their customer service is a hard thing to do. I'm very happy with it and fully enjoy using it. Good luck. Well good for you. I've had personal experience also talking with Grand Designs support team more times than I care to remember. First on a 2014 Reflection purchased 2013 which was decent as 5ers go but not without issues, some sort of major such as new axles 3 times and two trips back to the factory. Grand Designs support was spectacular. That led to the 2020 Solitude. What a piece of garbage it turned out to be. Grand Designs spectacular support went by the wayside with the acquisition by Winnebago. The 2020 was dumped after a little longer than a year of ownership just to get away from it and them. It had frame issues that I doubt could ever be corrected other than band aid fixes. They turned into "just another name on a box of junk". The first thing Winnebago did was pull the rug out from under what was considered the go to Grand Design forum, which is still independently operated but renamed to mygrandrv. GD had participated in that forum for years with lots of GD personel posting. Then they started two corporate controlled ones, GDRV4life and gdrvowners, so they could moderate the posts with mods they appointed. And believe me post in a negative light towards their product and posts are edited or deleted. I used to drink the Kool aid but abstain now days. Plenty of buyers though purchased in the last 3 or 4 years still drink that juice, but Grand Design in 2020 is not the Grand Design it they were before Winnebago, by a longshot. In any case I am done, and after owning over half a dozen over the years I'll never own another. Were almost done building a nice cabin on a large enough wooded parcel where we will never see another person or so much as hear their noise. You all can have them and I would argue that 99.9% are a crapshoot and a waste of money.LOL - I knew that you would reply to my post. Your comments regarding the forums are nothing but conspiracy theories. I also stated originally that you would come along and talk about "drinking the Koolaid" - I'm sorry I edited that out before posting. Most likely your issues are due to your approach - as the old saying goes, You can catch more Bees with Honey than with Vinegar. Taking the standard RV.net advice to extract your piece of flesh from those very bad people didn't work out so well for you. And FWIW, my experience happened AFTER the Winnebago sale. Good luck on your cabin - I guess you won't be around here much longer - maybe there are some "cabin in the woods" forums you can join to bash cabin builders... LOL.....you're an A$$hole.
GDS-3950BH 11/10/20 11:14am Travel Trailers
RE: Any one else giving up snow birding due to the covid

JaxDad --the vaccine has to be stored constantly at -103F. My goodness, what kind of refrigeration would a vaccine distributor need to accomplish that!! A Yeti with a couple of blocks of dry ice.
GDS-3950BH 11/10/20 11:11am Snowbirds
RE: Leaf springs new best brand triple axle advice

Why would you even consider a "Shady" repair shop? Perhaps because its a lot cooler than a sunny repair shop?
GDS-3950BH 11/10/20 02:05am Fifth-Wheels
RE: Opinion on a campground?

I would have called the local police or sheriff's office and reported the loud music and drinking. My quess is that many of the partiers were under the legal drinking age:) Unless you were an adjacent property owner and the municipality where this campground is located has a noise ordinance in place, you would be wasting your time. I doubt a large group of college alumni were not of legal drinking age, unless they brought the kids along and were letting them booze it up. That's assuming it's a private campground and not public, which it sounds like it is. Ownership can choose to enforce, or not enforce, whatever rules they choose despite what they have published in a brochure or sent out in an email. Its private business/property The only remedy the OP has is to not patronize the campground. I suspect the large group is an annual customer and probably has been for some time.
GDS-3950BH 11/10/20 01:50am RV Parks, Campgrounds and Attractions
RE: Keeping pets safe in travel trailer while “home alone”

An ignorant course of action. We watched 5 different folks warned in one weekend by rangers for leaving dogs behind which disturbed others in a VA state park, 3 of whom did not heed the warning and were made to vacate Saturday evening. RVs are not even close to soundproof and every place we've ever been had either a solid rule against the practice or a generic rule that you can not disturb others. But then again, little Precious never barks.
GDS-3950BH 11/08/20 07:05am RV Pet Stop
RE: Conclusion made: 95% of all TT's are a crapshoot

Are there some brands under $30k that any of you recommend who stand behind their product and don't make the consumer regret their purchase? We're ready to pull the trigger on a larger TT, then sell ours, but man, this is disheartening. I will say my local mobile RV repair guy likes Forest River, so I guess he has no problem fixing them and getting paid properly.Yes - Grand Design. I've had personal experience with talking at length with a manager on their customer support team. I emailed them about a problem with my awning. I didn't get a return email, I got a call. The awning was detaching from the side. The warranty was long over. But they fixed it - correctly at no charge to me. My friend had the same issue with his Alpine - just out of warranty. They would not help - sorry, but your warranty period has expired they told him. GD sent me a recall notice about an electrical issue that could cause a fire. It is very hard for me to take off work to get it to the dealer who doesn't do intake on the weekend. They authorized a mobile mechanic to do the work at my storage location. Others will chime in and throw shade on them, but myself and a lot of others will tell you different. Research the brand on both of their forums - PM me if you want the links or just Google. I googled Grand Design dealers in NC and found a few close to you - Bill Plemmons RV World in Winston-Salem and Raleigh. Check them out. Go and tour a few units. I can't talk about price as it is different depending on where your located and current market. I will say that I negotiated a substantial percentage off the MSRP and got a front bedroom AC installed as part of the deal. Also - you are in a good position to negotiate. You have multiple dealers in the area for the brand, you already have a RV you can use - so you want a new one, but you don't NEED a new one. This is to your advantage. Winter is here and that's also to your advantage. So if you don't get what you want, you can just get up and leave - leaving them with your phone number. Also, don't trade in before attempting to sell on your own - it will most likely sell if you present it properly. And yes - they put their RV's together the same as other companies and yes, they may have issues. But beating their customer service is a hard thing to do. I'm very happy with it and fully enjoy using it. Good luck. Well good for you. I've had personal experience also talking with Grand Designs support team more times than I care to remember. First on a 2014 Reflection purchased 2013 which was decent as 5ers go but not without issues, some sort of major such as new axles 3 times and two trips back to the factory. Grand Designs support was spectacular. That led to the 2020 Solitude. What a piece of garbage it turned out to be. Grand Designs spectacular support went by the wayside with the acquisition by Winnebago. The 2020 was dumped after a little longer than a year of ownership just to get away from it and them. It had frame issues that I doubt could ever be corrected other than band aid fixes. They turned into "just another name on a box of junk". The first thing Winnebago did was pull the rug out from under what was considered the go to Grand Design forum, which is still independently operated but renamed to mygrandrv. GD had participated in that forum for years with lots of GD personel posting. Then they started two corporate controlled ones, GDRV4life and gdrvowners, so they could moderate the posts with mods they appointed. And believe me post in a negative light towards their product and posts are edited or deleted. I used to drink the Kool aid but abstain now days. Plenty of buyers though purchased in the last 3 or 4 years still drink that juice, but Grand Design in 2020 is not the Grand Design it they were before Winnebago, by a longshot. In any case I am done, and after owning over half a dozen over the years I'll never own another. Were almost done building a nice cabin on a large enough wooded parcel where we will never see another person or so much as hear their noise. You all can have them and I would argue that 99.9% are a crapshoot and a waste of money.
GDS-3950BH 11/07/20 03:43am Travel Trailers
RE: an interesting new design rv

On second thought I googled the B box RV cost. They said it was between $300-$490k ROFLMAO. Good luck with that although there is one born every minute, or so they say. Meanwhile for the low low price of $389K. https://i.imgur.com/9Z2yzZFl.jpg
GDS-3950BH 11/02/20 02:23am Class C Motorhomes
RE: Internet for campsite and while en route (travel trailer)

Good evening everyone. I have read through many of the posts here about internet options while camping. This past weekend the SO was not happy that the kids were not able to do their distance learning due to weak cell signal. So I am looking at cell booster options. NOTE: I am fully aware I can't boost something that is not there (i.e. if there is no cell signal at all). Exactly. You need to pick your routes and destinations carefully or rethink your entire scenario. Perhaps stay close to Interstates and other highly traveled routes or urban areas. I know of lots of campgrounds / large regions where service is non exisitent or iffy at best, and that's in the NE. Northern / North Central PA, whole areas of VT/NH, the Catskill region in NY, the mountains of VA/NC/TN, about 75% of WV away from I 79,81, rt 19. I could go on and on as I used to search out areas without service on purpose. A lot of times even where service exists once a campground gets crowded, such as on a weekend, the service drops out when everyone is trying to stream and all are bouncing off a single tower. Most of the really great campgrounds we've found, that are not pack em in RV park type places, are usually in areas lacking in service more often than not.
GDS-3950BH 11/02/20 02:19am Technology Corner
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