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RE: going from Class A to TT or Fifth wheel

We are thinking of moving from Class A to either a fifth wheel or a Tow behind. We currently have a 34 ft and Toad we travel with. Would be very interested in comments and advice as to what to look for. Everyone has a different reason for down sizing but I am also looking to go from a 34 ft gas Class A to a small 24-27 ft 5 th wheel. I think a Class A is hard to beat for set up and hwy driving, storage and FW. But having been stuck out west twice and having a hard time finding a shop to work on it drove me to looking for a smaller MH like a 24 Ft class C and then to a small 5th wheel. I have been looking at the Allen camper 212RLS and similar that have a GVWR of 7600lbs, a ccc of 2100lbs and two opposing slides 25 ft long. The only down side is only 32 gals of FW. But something like this can be towed with any SRW truck even the new F150 HD model from Ford. I just don't understand the tow hitch yet or how easy it it to set up and level, but like the idea of using a truck as a second vehicle when not towing. The Class A just sits on the side of my house 90% of the time, so that is another trade off.
Gjac 07/19/19 12:32pm Class A Motorhomes
RE: Longest lasting batteries

I think maintenance will trump brand any day. My first chassis battery was a 12v Trojan Marine battery wet cell. It lasted 4 years along with my 2 6v Trojan GC house batteries. I replaced the chassis battery with a Walmart 12v starting battery and my house batteries with 2 6v GC batteries from Sam's club. The Walmart battery lasted 9 years the Sam's Club are 13 years old and still good. I dry camp almost exclusively but I recharge fully after every trip and equalize several times a year and charge the starting battery whenever I charge the house batteries. The Trojans were much more expensive but it took a while to learn the right maintenance procedures.
Gjac 07/19/19 12:07pm Class A Motorhomes
RE: What is going on!!!!!!!!!

Mine did the same thing and it several trips to figure out the water was coming out of the over flow hose especially when going up hill or taking corners. I just routed the overflow hose about 4-6 ins above the fitting on the tank which is on the side rather than on the top over the tank. This fixed the problem. I would not install a shut off fitting in the line. I saw a guy forget to open the valve when filling his tank and the expansion of the tank broke the attachments to the frame. It took myself and another camper all afternoon to make a FG repair and new steel angles to fix it.
Gjac 07/19/19 11:54am Class A Motorhomes
RE: Basic 5th wheel towing questions.

Your questions can't be answered properly. What kind of truck do you plan on using? Long bed? Short bed? How much truck you have is also going to have lots of opinions. I have a 34' 5th wheel that has a loaded weight of just under 10,000 pounds. I tow it with a Ram 3500 SRW gasser with the 6.4L Hemi. It does just fine. I can get up to around 4,000 RPM's going up steep inclines and for some that's annoying but for me it's no big deal. I don't lose any speed and I'm not always going up steep inclines! Don't even consider a half ton pickup with a 5th wheel. You'll have payload issues. Yes, 3/4 ton, 1 ton and bigger trucks have stiff suspensions and have rougher rides but they aren't terrible. You get used to it quickly. Many more will chime in and give their opinions. Provide a little more information so they will be able to give you better information in return. Maybe I asked two many questions in the OP. The 5th wheels I an looking at are all 24-27 ft and weight lest than 9000 lbs loaded. some examples would be the Allen 212KS EXTERIOR LENGTH 24’ 6” TIRE SIZE 205/75/R15 EXTERIOR WIDTH 7’ 6” SLEEPING CAPACITY 6 EXTERIOR HEIGHT 10’ APPROX REFRIGERATOR 6’ HITCH WEIGHT 750 Pounds FRESH WATER 30 Gallon SHIP WEIGHT 5,650 Pounds WASTE WATER 32 Gallon CARGO CAPACITY 2,100 Pounds GRAY WATER 32 Gallon GVWR 7,750 Pounds LPG CAPACITY 10 Gallon AXLE WEIGHT 4,900 Pounds. At the high end would be something like the Laredo 255SRL at 27 ft UVW 7113 lbs. I want to have room in the bed to store extra water and stuff and it would appear the Goose neck set up would offer more room. I just wanted to know if this set up would be OK for such a light 5th wheel. 90 % of the time the truck would be a second vehicle so I wanted either the F150 HD or no bigger than the F250 as a truck either one can handle the pay load. I wanted to not have to remove a big hitch when not towing.
Gjac 07/19/19 09:29am Fifth-Wheels
RE: Roof

How big is the bubble? From what you described there is already a 1/4 gap or so from the front cap to the rubber roof, so I would lift the rubber look for any rotted roof substrate. If the roof is dry and sound I would glue it back down and attach the front of the rubber roof with a 4 in wide strip of eternabond tape or eq to cover the front cap. Once you prepare the rubber and FG cap it will hold the roof in place and keep it from peeling back.
Gjac 07/17/19 01:43pm Fifth-Wheels
Basic 5th wheel towing questions.

I have owned a Class A MH for the last 14 years and have been looking at small 5th wheels. I don't know much about them and have been noticing there are different hitches to tow with. Some trucks have a 2 in ball right in the bed of the truck some look like big plates that the hitch of the 5th wheel attaches too, and some look like they slide so you don't hit the front cap on tight turns. For a 24-27 ft 5th wheel that weighs lest than 9000 lbs 1,What would be the right type of hitch? I see a bunch of add on's that people buy to add to the 5th wheel to reduce bouncing. 2, Which affect the ride more the suspension on the truck or the 5th wheel itself? Which leads to the last question. 3, If the truck has a greater influence on the ride, is there a proper match between the truck and 5th wheel? Said another way for a very light short 5th wheel would a 350 or 450 HD truck cause a worst ride(more bouncing) that a 150 or 250 truck?
Gjac 07/17/19 01:31pm Fifth-Wheels
RE: RV Campgrounds in Southern Ohio

If you are going that far south I would visit Hocking Hills State Park there are a number of CG's inside the park itself. It has very interesting rock formations including caves.
Gjac 07/13/19 06:14pm RV Parks, Campgrounds and Attractions
RE: Do you ever go foraging?

Yes, I hope some others post back with other possibilities they have discovered in there travels. I don't know a lot about which mushrooms are edible I just know a few. I always look for "Chicken of the Woods" which can be easily identified but have not found any yet.
Gjac 07/12/19 11:11am Camp Cooks and Connoisseurs
RE: How long to return to camping after open heart surgery

Hi Mike I see we are neighbors. I would try some local camping like Housatonic Meadows or Austin Hawes CG in American Legion Forrest for a couple of days and see how you do. I think you have a TC from looking at your profile, it should be fairly easy enough to set up. I have only camped once this year myself do to family, Drs appointments and home repairs. So I will try to go up to the Austin Hawes CG and do some trout fishing next week myself. Good luck on your recovery.
Gjac 07/11/19 07:07am RVing with Disabilities and General Health Issues
RE: Do you ever go foraging?

When dry camping in Alaska we ran out of salad and vegetables and were low on meat. I found some morel mushrooms, and dandelions. I also caught some grayling. Made a salad from the dandelion leaves cooked the mushrooms and grayling and it was a delicious meal. I found some lions mane(mushroom) last year while camping in NH that was very good. When I used to backpack I found you could cook the dandelion leaves in water and they taste similar to spinach. Always find berries and some wild apple trees. Make apple jacks and add berries to pancakes.
Gjac 07/11/19 06:53am Camp Cooks and Connoisseurs
RE: 1998 Georgie Boy Cruise MasterLoose Dashboard

I have a 1996 GBM with the same issue I reinforced it with several angle clips under the dash. It has been solid for the last 12 years.
Gjac 07/10/19 09:48am Class A Motorhomes
RE: Duracell 6 volt batteries

As Robert posted heat and degree of discharge are two big factors of the life of a wet cell battery. I live in Ct, much cooler than Fl, have the same batteries that have never been discharged past 50%SOC, and these same batteries have lasted 12 years so far. They sit all winter with no charge and only self discharge about 20 %. I don't hear much discussion about leaving the batteries on a charger vs off the charger until they self discharge to 80% soc then charge fully and how that affects the battery plate life. I would think the plates would be eaten away quicker with a constant charge routine. I realize most batteries die of sulfation first rather than plate reduction so charging is important, but I would think there is a sweet spot between the two, just have not heard it discussed.
Gjac 07/10/19 09:24am Class A Motorhomes
RE: Short light weight 5th wheel search

Maybe my response was misleading. We have had the Idle Time 219KS for two+ years. It has been to Michigan plus a couple of trips to Pigeon Forge as well as Eureka Springs, AR, & Branson, MO. Excellent performance, plenty of room, and no glitches. I highly recommend it. https://i.imgur.com/uscZPlcl.jpg We will leave the 15th on a ~7K mile trip to the PNW with the furtherest away destination being Hyder, AK. This type of trip is best suited for the TC, so the Outfitter will go the the Idle Time will stay at home. Wow have a nice trip and say hi to the bears in Hyder for me. When I did this trip in 2006 I was very envious of the places the TC's could go that I could not fit with my Class A but it was a great trip. Caught some nice fish.
Gjac 07/09/19 08:39pm Fifth-Wheels
RE: Pop up camper vs hard sided camper

Don't let "age" make your decisions for you. I will be 76 on the 14th and will leave on a ~7K mile trip on the 15th. Yes, compromises have to be made, but if you upgrade your F150, please go to an F250 (gas) no matter which camper you decide on. Will you take your TC or new 5th wheel?
Gjac 07/09/19 08:30pm Truck Campers
RE: Decisions

Hi Lucy, Assuming your rig will be accommodating two adults and maybe a guest now and then, a B+ (no over-head sleeper) would be a wise choice. You give up a lot of storage, but you gain more in other ways. As mag..... mentioned higher up, a used Phoenix Cruiser is a nice consideration, especially the ones made starting in 2004 as identified by having the integrated spare tire in back. If you like single beds, model 2551 and 2552 are nice choices but 2552 is near 28' long. If you must sleep together, consider models 2700 with walk-around double bed, or model 2350 or 2351 with rear corner double bed. Those look like nice MH's. I was looking at the 2351D with two slides and a queen bed. The only down side is it only has 27 gal of FW. Not good if you dry camp.Yikes....27 gallons of fresh water is way too little. Where did you get that number from? I can't find the specs on it. Model 2351 with one slide out carries 45 gallons of fresh water, the tank is under the bed. Maybe the 2351D with the slide-out there shrinks the fresh water tank. 27 gallons (5 of them in the water heater) would not work at all for us. Our 2007 model 2350 carries 41 gallons total and it works well. We do exclusively boondock. Hi Ron, it is on their web site. The 2351D is a nice layout, lots of room with the two slides and the queen bed. Most of the 24 ft Class C's with the full wall slides seem to have more FW at least 40 gals. The 2100 and 2400 also only had 26 gals of FW. Even their 2910D and 2910T which are 31 ft only have 36 gals which surprised me.That is strange. Unlike the other models I click on, when I click on the 2351D floorplan, I don't get specs. I get a financing & credit feature. Oh well. Their web site is not very user friendly you have to click on floor plans then Brochure on the left side, then brochure again in the middle under the picture of the PC, then scroll down until you see floor plans then specs.
Gjac 07/09/19 08:25pm Class C Motorhomes
RE: Newby Dry Camping Questions

Two 6v GC2 batteries would be best, common golf cart size. This is the best option for what you want to do. Sam Club,Costco and Batteries Plus all sell 6 v Golf Cart batteries for less than $100 each, watch for sales. For lights, water pump and 12v controls for refer you will last a week on 2 6v GC batteries wired in series. You will run out of water before electric power especially if you are not familiar with dry camping. I have to look for ways to exercise my genset and almost never use it just to recharge batteries and I dry camp 95% of the time. Once you have dry camped a number of times and you find you need to recharge batteries I would look for a good 40 amp potable battery charger, that can equalize and desulfate your batteries also. I am not sure what kind of battery charger/converter you have now? How many amps will it put out to charge you batteries? Even if it is just a low amp constant charger you can still keep it to float charge you batteries.
Gjac 07/09/19 02:12pm Beginning RVing
RE: 5th wheels....heck of a following

Jay 58, just curious as to what made you decide on going 5th wheel as we had been contemplating going motor home? If you care to share While I consider a 5th wheel to be more work and less convenient than a motorhome. A 5th wheel provides equal amounts of space to a class A and cost a lot less. A 5th wheels gives you more bang for the buck. The downside is 5'er is not as user friendly as a motorhome. I have a Class A now and was wondering about this very issue. How much more work is it to set up a 5th wheel? Is leveling a chore? Is a 5th wheel still cheaper if you have to buy a new truck to tow it? One distinct advantage I see is if you get a small enough 5th wheel(28 ft or less) that can be towed with a SRW truck you can always use it for a second vehicle.Well, it seems like most Class A motorhomes are towing a car to drive around when parked, so you're looking at two vehicles anyway...much of the time anyway. As far as leveling, it's definitely not going to be as quick as a 6-point or 4 point leveling system. But it doesn't really take that long. I pull into the spot I'm going park, if not level side-to-sied, then I put down a block or two, then pull on to them and chock the wheels. Drop the front stabilizers, unhook the truck and level front-to-back. Hooking up power, water, and sewer is basically the same. If you have to level side to side do you just use the rear scissor jacks or do front jacks(stabilizers) need adjusting also? What is involved with disconnecting the hitch from the truck bed?
Gjac 07/09/19 01:13pm Fifth-Wheels
RE: 5th wheels....heck of a following

Jay 58, just curious as to what made you decide on going 5th wheel as we had been contemplating going motor home? If you care to share While I consider a 5th wheel to be more work and less convenient than a motorhome. A 5th wheel provides equal amounts of space to a class A and cost a lot less. A 5th wheels gives you more bang for the buck. The downside is 5'er is not as user friendly as a motorhome. I have a Class A now and was wondering about this very issue. How much more work is it to set up a 5th wheel? Is leveling a chore? Is a 5th wheel still cheaper if you have to buy a new truck to tow it? One distinct advantage I see is if you get a small enough 5th wheel(28 ft or less) that can be towed with a SRW truck you can always use it for a second vehicle.Well, it seems like most Class A motorhomes are towing a car to drive around when parked, so you're looking at two vehicles anyway...much of the time anyway. As far as leveling, it's definitely not going to be as quick as a 6-point or 4 point leveling system. But it doesn't really take that long. I pull into the spot I'm going park, if not level side-to-sied, then I put down a block or two, then pull on to them and chock the wheels. Drop the front stabilizers, unhook the truck and level front-to-back. Hooking up power, water, and sewer is basically the same. If you level side to side do you just use the rear scissor jacks in the rear or do front jacks need adjusting also? What is involved with disconnecting the hitch from the truck bed?
Gjac 07/09/19 01:12pm Fifth-Wheels
RE: Winnebago Navion/View vs. Leisure Travel Van

I think the CCC is greater for the 350 and 450 over the Sprinter chassis, at least the ones I saw.
Gjac 07/09/19 12:55pm Class C Motorhomes
RE: Decisions

Hi Lucy, Assuming your rig will be accommodating two adults and maybe a guest now and then, a B+ (no over-head sleeper) would be a wise choice. You give up a lot of storage, but you gain more in other ways. As mag..... mentioned higher up, a used Phoenix Cruiser is a nice consideration, especially the ones made starting in 2004 as identified by having the integrated spare tire in back. If you like single beds, model 2551 and 2552 are nice choices but 2552 is near 28' long. If you must sleep together, consider models 2700 with walk-around double bed, or model 2350 or 2351 with rear corner double bed. Those look like nice MH's. I was looking at the 2351D with two slides and a queen bed. The only down side is it only has 27 gal of FW. Not good if you dry camp.Yikes....27 gallons of fresh water is way too little. Where did you get that number from? I can't find the specs on it. Model 2351 with one slide out carries 45 gallons of fresh water, the tank is under the bed. Maybe the 2351D with the slide-out there shrinks the fresh water tank. 27 gallons (5 of them in the water heater) would not work at all for us. Our 2007 model 2350 carries 41 gallons total and it works well. We do exclusively boondock. Hi Ron, it is on their web site. The 2351D is a nice layout, lots of room with the two slides and the queen bed. Most of the 24 ft Class C's with the full wall slides seem to have more FW at least 40 gals. The 2100 and 2400 also only had 26 gals of FW. Even their 2910D and 2910T which are 31 ft only have 36 gals which surprised me.
Gjac 07/09/19 12:46pm Class C Motorhomes
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