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RE: Front Frame Mount Tie Downs Not Working!

OP needs to find out why he has so much upward pressure. It could have been the 2 different occasions where he hit large speed bumps, with “frame damage” from one of them. Somehow this didn’t make the “tie downs not working” thread. https://forums.trailerlife.com/index.cfm/fuseaction/thread/tid/29976845.cfm Well that's interesting... I'd call it extremely interesting. People who create problems very often spend the time pointing fingers and checking who they could sue. Unfortunately that is how our society grows. Karma will take care of anyone.
HadEnough 09/16/20 06:55pm Truck Campers
RE: Front Frame Mount Tie Downs Not Working!

Bringing this thread to a conclusion. I’m going to install a 100% vertical upright support where the angled bar stock is (was) welded to the frame mount. The vertical upright will terminate right on the cross beam of the bed, locking everything in place for good. Instead of using a flimsy weld and bar stock, I’m going to use 1/4” wall square tubing that will slip over the frame mount tubing and over the truck bed cross beam. https://images.etrailer.com/static/images/pics/T/L/TLD2110_5_250.jpg It’ll replace the uppermost piece of the mount in this pic. The part that’s gone on both of my mounts. Honestly, I do think this product is junk. It’s cheap. It’s not strong. I’m going to make it strong, so the only way this can fail now is for it to bend the cross beam of the bed, bend the square tubing of the Torklift mount, or rip the bolts out of the frame. No other modes of failure possible. That’s how Torklift should have been building these things. They’re cheaply done and the geometry is all wrong. The stock design Creates excessive shear forces when it only needs to be an upright in compression taking the load. Bad design.
HadEnough 09/16/20 06:53pm Truck Campers
RE: Front Frame Mount Tie Downs Not Working!

Somehow I've got a feeling that you deliberately delayed posting the pictures. If that was honest mistake, I am sorry about my accusation. But at this point looks like your problem belongs to truck forum. You have a problem with truck, where failed camper tie-downs are the result of towers failure. Yes, it’s a giant conspiracy. I came on here to ask for help but no, it was a ruse to trick you into voting a communist into office. That’s what it was. Just a scam. Obviously it’s not someone with broken Torklift frame mounts and repeated issues from them breaking after Torklift certified installers seem to have destroyed my truck. Nah, it’s not that. It’s just an elaborate scam to trick you because you’re soooo important. I didn’t even make a mistake posting pics. YOU are the one bItching and complaining in my thread where I’m trying to find alternate methods of holding my TC down. Because now I called you out for your last out of line post you are now going to say I’m just a big ruse delaying posting pics? What exactly is wrong with you, anyway? You know what? If you don’t like this thread, don’t read it.
HadEnough 09/05/20 11:59am Truck Campers
RE: Front Frame Mount Tie Downs Not Working!

I’m curious why torklift hadn’t been engaged, I think they might have pertinent feedback maybe some questions for your installers, especially if you’ve done it twice, Now that we have figured most of this out, I am wondering where TL is also. Would love to hear their comments on the installation and their best guess on how it all happened to compare with the theories here. Took you 7 pages to finally disclosure what really happen. You blame tie-downs for serious issues with your truck. I don't blame they don't want to step in it. Excuse me??? Do you have some kind of problem? I don’t see you figuring out the problem in less than 7 pages. How about cutting me and the people who did solve the problem some slack? We can’t all be at your level of genius and solve a problem in one single post. Some of us need to figure out what happened and ask for help. Isn’t that what a forum is for??
HadEnough 09/05/20 08:12am Truck Campers
RE: Front Frame Mount Tie Downs Not Working!

Now that we have figured most of this out, I am wondering where TL is also. Well, have you contacted them and they didn't reply? No. They are VERY active here and see the threads.
HadEnough 09/05/20 07:03am Truck Campers
RE: Front Frame Mount Tie Downs Not Working!

I’m curious why torklift hadn’t been engaged, I think they might have pertinent feedback maybe some questions for your installers, especially if you’ve done it twice, Now that we have figured most of this out, I am wondering where TL is also. Would love to hear their comments on the installation and their best guess on how it all happened to compare with the theories here.
HadEnough 09/05/20 05:16am Truck Campers
RE: Front Frame Mount Tie Downs Not Working!

The style of TL mount is different than shown earlier, and a lot different than mine. https://photos.smugmug.com/Base/Mics/i-qPP7wq4/0/3b2dcc51/S/tldodg-S.png OPs are not welded at top to a piece of angle but end is bent and bolts to bed cross member. Shown in previous thread. IF the bolt drops, upward force from camper the flat bar brace can 'slide' inboard, that in turn breaks lower weld. 2 issues-1st This style works in conjunction with frame tower and existing bolt plate, Ops towers are shredded. Second and primary is instead of a 1/2" bolt going thru mount into bed someone dropped a smaller bolt thru. https://photos.smugmug.com/Base/Mics/i-6ZTcBMC/0/65531ede/M/30GVGal-M.jpg https://photos.smugmug.com/Base/Mics/i-Gf8fhwn/0/c7aa0d32/O/dodtower2.jpg https://photos.smugmug.com/Base/Mics/i-MVTZhrW/0/4d262d52/O/dodtower.jpg While there is a lot of torn metal it sure looks like someone cut out the top of towers? Mount brace is supposed to mount to it. Issue here is from what I gather, the bolt that's supposed to go up thru is also the bed mount... If OP can fab a belly bar should hold camper, really doesn't take that much. The existing situation/condition & way it was bolted, only option was to fail. Still need to address bed mount towers, if that is what it also does. Now this is an interesting post. Yes, that’s the style of frame mount for my truck. Because I didn’t install these at all and a certified installer did, I am not sure what anything is supposed to look like down there other than the mount should be attached to the frame and in one piece. I think I’ll go with the belly bar so I don’t need to deal with this all the time. However, you mentioned the bed mount towers. Those are the ripped up metal, right? Those should be sort of like 90 degree L brackets holding the bed to the frame?
HadEnough 09/04/20 07:41pm Truck Campers
RE: Front Frame Mount Tie Downs Not Working!

Very strange, my AF 990 doesn’t move period. I tension my Fastguns per Torklift spec’s. It would probably move if your frame mounts looked like mine. Ha ha. I have had Torklift frame mounts and Fastguns on two GM trucks and two different campers and never a bend or a broken weld on either of them. I don’t like saying this but YOU are definitely doing something seriously wrong. Like what?? What can you even do wrong? It’s a piece of metal formed by Torklift into a frame. It’s a Dodge RAM pickup truck. It’s an Arctic Fox TC. I didn’t make ANY of these components and I didn’t install the Torklift equipment. It was all installed professionally by a Torklift installer. Both times. Different installers. So do tell me what I’m doing wrong... Because all I’ve done is decide to go with Arctic Fox, Dodge and Torklift. I guess that was wrong?
HadEnough 09/04/20 07:06pm Truck Campers
RE: Front Frame Mount Tie Downs Not Working!

Very strange, my AF 990 doesn’t move period. I tension my Fastguns per Torklift spec’s. It would probably move if your frame mounts looked like mine. Ha ha.
HadEnough 09/04/20 05:46pm Truck Campers
RE: Front Frame Mount Tie Downs Not Working!

IMHO the camper should stay in the bed simply due to weight and friction under normal driving conditions. I myself would not hesitate to take the tiedowns off my camper and drive around town. It would not move a fraction of an inch and I am not doing anything special to keep it there. Normal driving in most of US cases include constant vibration (yes, I drove autobahns, where you could put coffee cup on top of dashboard and it would stay there at 200 kph). When I set my new pickup, where front ties did have noticeable angle pulling camper forward, I gave it advised "5 yo girl" hand tension on fastguns. Over 500 miles driving, the camper moved about 1/2" to the rear. I concluded that when vibration liquefy the friction, regardless factory bed mat, the air drag gives the camper significant pushing force. I adjusted fastguns from 1/4" stretch to 1/2" stretch and camper did not move anymore. Now OP is saying his camper is also turning on the bed, so sounds like he is not having side to side angle neither. Are you able to see the pics of just posted? Of course there is no side to side holding in the front. LOL. There is nothing to stop it since it’s all broken.
HadEnough 09/04/20 01:24pm Truck Campers
RE: Front Frame Mount Tie Downs Not Working!

I have to agree with those who say you'll just be covering up the real problem by building different/stronger mounts. Something is way off to break welds that are basically in shear. As someone said, the camper mostly sits there and only needs some help to stay. If there's enough force to bust those welds either there is way too much tension on the tie-downs or not nearly enough, allowing the camper to leave the bed and "get a run" at pulling on the welds. If you switch to a one-piece belly bar, I suspect you'll start bending it unless it's really overbuilt. Have you checked the truck's bed mounts? Since the camper sits in the bed but the mounts are to the frame any slop in the bed mounts could possibly aggravate the issue. You haven't answered how tight you are running the fastguns? What method do you use to ensure the right tension? Also, I'm really surprised you lost a rear mount with or without the camper. They are held by pins with spring-loaded retaining clips. Yup. The spring clip like you see holding them in these pics just vanished one day and with it the rear mount. It was rattling around with no camper on it so it vibrated loose somehow. I’d say the bed mounts are reasonable. I’ll have another look though. The Arctic Fox TC just has momentum. It definitely wants to leave the bed over a lot of different bumps you encounter. Especially after the truck is depressed and then springs back up. It feels like the TC is carrying the truck higher into the air after many types of bumps. Say speed bumps for an extreme instance it feels just nuts going over those even at almost a dead stop. The TC and truck want to do different things. I do plan to overbuild the bar across type of mount because I need to lock the front of this tc into the truck better than these Torklift mounts are capable of. As far as the tension in the Torklift fastgun tie downs, it’s just right. Not loose and not cranked down super hard. They have a natural click to them at the right tension. They snap closed easily without too much force, yet they aren’t loose. Nice and snug. It all works great on the back of the truck, don’t forget. Everything is fine on the rear frame mount and tie downs.
HadEnough 09/04/20 01:05pm Truck Campers
RE: Front Frame Mount Tie Downs Not Working!

https://i.postimg.cc/67WNLjBq/A46703-AF-ADEC-43-CD-9546-1-F218-DB09-BAE.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/t1BGr3g5/E9-E7-B4-E1-99-E6-4180-96-BB-D5643481-CADE.jpg Driver’s side again.
HadEnough 09/04/20 12:54pm Truck Campers
RE: Front Frame Mount Tie Downs Not Working!

Here are the pics! First set is the passenger side. A frame weld in the process of breaking at the bottom. Completely broken at the top. https://i.postimg.cc/6yF3cNP3/3-EC9-C0-E7-F701-4-ED4-9-CDC-F3-C30-F71-D79-E.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/pyXpXC82/B9-E5023-F-D897-4-A60-96-A8-40-D0-BD0-D1-BC2.jpg And here’s the driver’s side. A frame support completely gone!!! https://i.postimg.cc/67WNLjBq/A46703-AF-ADEC-43-CD-9546-1-F218-DB09-BAE.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/t1BGr3g5/E9-E7-B4-E1-99-E6-4180-96-BB-D5643481-CADE.jpg
HadEnough 09/04/20 12:51pm Truck Campers
RE: Front Frame Mount Tie Downs Not Working!

Torklift stands behind their product so if you've been buying sets of mounts over and over and over that's on you. They would most certainly work with a reasonable, rational customer who came to them with such an issue. At the very least they can assess your setup and tell you what is happening. For them to be breaking due to upward force you must be putting ungodly amounts of tension on the tiedowns, or hitting bumps hard enough to send the camper into space. IMHO the camper should stay in the bed simply due to weight and friction under normal driving conditions. I myself would not hesitate to take the tiedowns off my camper and drive around town. It would not move a fraction of an inch and I am not doing anything special to keep it there. It’s bumps sending it into space, I’m sure. I’m just done dealing with the issue. Torklift is definitely a good company. They offered to replace a rear mount that popped off before. It just came loose and was gone one day when I drove without the camper on. Just the bar/mount, not the rear frame mount. So they are quite fair and nice. But, their product can’t stand up to the loads on the front of my camper. I plan to fabricate something that will. The problem has been temporarily solved until I get in somewhere. The movement of the camper in the bed has been stopped. I did some blocking in the bed to hold it in place. It is still loosely held in the bed in the front by the broken frame mounts, but it’ll stay until I get in somewhere in October.
HadEnough 09/04/20 12:43pm Truck Campers
RE: Front Frame Mount Tie Downs Not Working!

The front has moved 11 inches off center to the passenger side. Is this on a flatbed truck? I can't understand how a normal truck bed (with wheel wells) would accommodate a truck camper moving 11" to one side or the other in the front. When my long bed 811 is loaded on my long bed truck, and centered exactly, there's 2 3/4" between each bed rail and the corresponding side of the truck camper. It twisted around the wheel wells.
HadEnough 09/04/20 12:38pm Truck Campers
RE: Front Frame Mount Tie Downs Not Working!

By description failure point? https://i.imgur.com/XHarxcl.jpg "So what always breaks is the top of the triangle here in the pic. Where the support bar meets the upper mounting plate. The very top of this pic. In my old set the welds gave out between the support bar and the main structural member." I'm having a hard time understanding how camper (without ripping its mounts) is applying enough force? it would almost seem that downward force, possibly side to side, would need to be applied for that upper weld to fail. Have you contacted Torklift? NRALIFR-Curious, though doesn't look like with new upper tie off point would give enough angle (and you've solved your problem) why is the lower mount not to the hole in end of insert plate? https://i.imgur.com/eNE2xXX.jpg Yes, that’s the failure point. The support for the cantilever. The Arctic Fox is a well built camper. The mounts are big, integral pieces of metal. They are stronger then the frame mounts. Obviously, since the frame mounts are breaking. You’re also picturing the forces all wrong. UPWARD force is what’s breaking them, not downward. They aren’t a good design, really. Probably not contacting Torklift. Multiple sets have broken at $800 a pop and I don’t want to deal with the hassle anymore, so I’m going to make a better mount.
HadEnough 09/02/20 09:19am Truck Campers
RE: Front Frame Mount Tie Downs Not Working!

So what always breaks is the top of the triangle here in the pic. Where the support bar meets the upper mounting plate. The very top of this pic. In my old set the welds gave out between the support bar and the main structural member. On the new set, I didn’t really get a great look yet due to rain, but the same thing is loose. Pic of Mount https://www.sdtrucksprings.com/bmz_cache/0/0b3b24b9793a64acf4fc31cfa9393af2.image.256x200.jpg This means the end of the mounts are free to lift up vertically toward the tc/sky. They impact the body of the truck and leave dents.
HadEnough 09/02/20 08:06am Truck Campers
RE: Front Frame Mount Tie Downs Not Working!

Sounds like you’re wanting to make what used to be called a belly-bar. I think Brophy and Hijacker made those. That style will work, but I’m wondering if your Torklift tiedowns might not break if the camper didn’t move? :):) The camper only moves BECAUSE the frame mounts break. It doesn’t move until the frame mounts fall apart leaving it floating. I took some measurements. The back of the camper hasn’t really moved. The front has moved 11 inches off center to the passenger side. It’s only the broken (and always breaking) front frame mounts that are the problem. So the camper is diagonal in the bed after driving around with the front mounts broken.
HadEnough 09/02/20 07:55am Truck Campers
RE: Front Frame Mount Tie Downs Not Working!

Wow NRALIFR, that’s a great improvement!! This is the kind of thing I’m looking to do, but of course more specific to my problem which is the frame mounts breaking. The rear Torklift frame mount is a piece of square tube steel across the entire width of the truck. It has worked exceedingly well, never had any issues, and can also tow a trailer at the same time it’s holding the TC firmly in place on the rubber mat. I’m thinking I’d like to make a similar one for the front tie downs. Just run a square tube across the whole width. It has to be a few inches lower than the truck frame to clear the fuel tank, exhaust and possibly drive shaft, which protrude down below frame height. I figure some square U-bolts with spacers can hold it in place. For now, while on the road, I’m thinking I’ll just build an H shaped 2x4 brace to lay in the truck bed as a spacer to keep the TC from moving to the passenger side, which is what it wants to do. When I get in to a place I can do the real work, in October, I’ll make the permanent fix.
HadEnough 09/02/20 06:56am Truck Campers
RE: Front Frame Mount Tie Downs Not Working!

From given description so far, I conclude that OP ties are mounted pretty vertical and that is not good. I've seen setups like that and beside tie-downs the owners had nylon belt holding the camper on the bed. Again, without picture we can crystal ball the issue forever. That’s quite a conclusion without any pics. And a correct one!! The fast guns are vertical in a fore and aft sense. They do have a decent angle outward. The mount points on the TC are wider than the mount points on the frame mounts below. If the ties shouldn’t be vertical, why the heck are these “professional” installers doing that? I’ll take some pics ASAP.
HadEnough 09/01/20 03:10pm Truck Campers
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