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RE: What is MISSING from your RV Park?
Don't use the "SARDINE " MODEL when designing the location of RV sites. Many RV parks are physically designed based on economic profits V.S. designing the RV parks to maximize the pleasure and enjoyment of RVers.
I hear you on the sardine model but unfortunately there has to be a happy medium.
Utilities and construction cost will play a major roll in determining the size and layout of the CG.
It's not as simple as just spreading out!
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Lantley
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03/29/20 11:51am |
Class A Motorhomes
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RE: The perfect RV campground
I don't think he OP is looking for concrete advice as much as he's looking for our ideas likes and dislikes. I don't think he needs to agree or accept every word of any post. But he is trying to gain overall insight from actual RV'ers.
I think WRVPO has given good insight as always, But even his thoughts are not necessarily 100% accurate or foolproof. But they do provide valuable real world insight.
The OP is sort of surveying our thoughts to ensure he is understanding the marketplace vs. building his business model around our thoughts.
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Lantley
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03/29/20 11:47am |
Family Camping
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RE: The perfect RV campground
Management: not sure what you're meaning here. If you mean a well managed park, okay.. but reality is, generally speaking, my interaction with the management staff is on check-in. Don't even have to interact at checkout at most places.
Price is down towards the end for me too. I'll pay more for a decent place with hookups and nice, large sites.
Mike
Thanks. Definitely my personal priority. I'd like a green screen between every site.Oh, and Mike is an exception to the price rule. Price does matter to most people in that they will pay a fair price for what they want. If the park has a thousand amenities they don't want or use they aren't going to pay for them.
I do see your point on price. But if its a well run CG that knows it clientele they will have the right amenities.
I agree I don't want to pay for a guest speaker(drastic example)
But I am willing to pay for a pool. I am also willing to pay more than the place down the road that does not have a pool
I do agree you must decide on clientele if your catering to young families that pool could be a water park.
If your catering to older folks the pool is sufficient.
I may also pay more to have security patrols and proper staffing vs. a free for all where there is no one around.
If the place is well run and well managed the public will pay.
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Lantley
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03/28/20 06:49pm |
Family Camping
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RE: anyone seen Jim . . AKA - NC Hauler
I copied this link from a prior post.
NC Hauler passed a couple of year ago
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Lantley
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03/28/20 10:57am |
Fifth-Wheels
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RE: The perfect RV campground
Price vs all above.
Interesting price is at the bottom of my list.
I'm not rich with money to burn. However there are lots of other factors I consider price is generally not one of them.
For instance I prefer site 50 amp service. Generally I will always select a 50 amp CG over a less expensive 30 amp site.
I will generally take a more expensive site closer to the attraction vs. a cheaper site on the outskirts of the attraction.
Naturally I will always prefer a larger more secluded site vs. a cheaper smaller site.
There are many factors I consider before price come into play.
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Lantley
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03/28/20 10:43am |
Family Camping
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RE: Frog in fresh water holding tank!
Name him Jerimiah. He will be a good friend of yours. You won't understand a single word he says but you can help him drink his wine, and he always has some mighty fine wine.
Joy to the World
that's funny!
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Lantley
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03/28/20 09:32am |
General RVing Issues
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RE: Sierra 2500 fifth wheel hitch - factory prep vs aftermarket
Do you guys really remove your hitches that often that it even matters?
I never remove my hitch. I generally camp from March through November.
There are only 3 months in the dead of winter I don't camp. I just leave hitch in truck the entire time. Rails or pucks are not a big issue. A clean unobstructed bed is overrated.
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Lantley
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03/28/20 09:03am |
Tow Vehicles
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RE: Can You Pass Through States with Stay at Home Orders?
We got our first case of the Coronavirus in our county this week....a person from NY brought it to us.
What is that supposed to mean? A person from NY? Have some kind of problem with NY? People are carrying this thing worldwide. That is why it is called an infectious pandemic,literally (infect/spread) (pan) world wide (demic) pertaining to a population.
So once again what is your statement meant to convey?
I don't think is was meant to offend New Yorker's or anyone else.
NY is currently the hotspot for the country.
As a result NY'ers and others need to shelter in place and avoid heading to resort areas or vacation homes to ride out the pandemic.
There is and emphasis on NY'ers because NY is the current hotspot.
They are leading in new cases and deaths.
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Lantley
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03/28/20 08:22am |
General RVing Issues
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RE: camping in ohio
I guess some people will always think the rules are for everyone else but them.Since you already addressed the OP I'm going to make a WAG and guess you are addressing me. So I'll just put this out there. Where I live there are no rules against camping. There are rules for social distancing, gathering in large groups, etc. I can certainly can do that in a campground provided my neighbors don't come over and insist on invading my space.
Since where you live has no shelter in place order you are not violating any orders. However the OP is in an area that has a shelter in place order. In short the OP should obey the order.
In short they want to limit an interactions.
The OP will require, food, fuel, water etc. for the trip, he may have a flat, or a breakdown along the way.
All of these things require interactions that can potentially spread the virus.
Staying home eliminates all the potential interaction risk of camping.
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Lantley
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03/28/20 08:16am |
General RVing Issues
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RE: The perfect RV campground
Location!
Yes location is key. A bad CG in a good location is still viable a good CG in a bad location is not.
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Lantley
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03/28/20 08:07am |
Family Camping
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RE: Can You Pass Through States with Stay at Home Orders?
Fortunately in AZ and Tucson there are no stay at home orders. So far we spent a couple of days doing some non-essential RZR riding, I worked 3 days this week at my non-essential part-time job at the RV dealership, and we're doing a few days of non-essential camping/RZR riding next week. Basically we are not staying home and are trying to live the same life we would without this over-hyped flu bug.
One other thought: What authority does a politician have to force people to stay home? Inspite of this so-called virus emergency we still have Constitutional Rights to move freely about the US and to freely assemble. A governor or mayor does not have the right to restrict our movements. My daughter's family was in California this past week for a vacation and the governor closed the public beaches. Cops were posted to force compliance. Did the governor have the legal authority to do that? Hopefully, someone will challenge the governors actions as being unconstitutional.
I understand that there are perceived measures to fight this virus but the Constitution needs to regarded and We-the-People need to stand up to and fight politicians who insist on taking away our Constitutional Rights. If they feel they can violate our rights during this period they will violate our rights in other situations.
This is not about the constitution This is about saving lives
It maybe hard for you to grasp but people in NYC are dying.
Just like Italy the NYC health system is overwhelmed
THe fear is that unless we control the spread by staying put, other regions will have there system overwhelmed
You call it an over hyped flu but its not just about the flu
Once the hospitals become overwhelmed it becomes hard to be treated for anything else
If you show up at the hospital with an ailment other than the virus there is literally no where to put you No Doctors to treat you in a timely fashion etc. The medical system at NYC hospitals is collapsing. If the virus continues to spread other area health systems will also collapse due to virus cases Meanwhile almost in the back ground people continue to die.
So before you rush to the courts with constitutional arguments keep in mind the court system in MD is closed.
The entire state is closed as much as feasible.
I hope you understand it just no about catching the flu. It's more about spreading the flu Some can get it and have minimal symptoms while some will have devastating symptoms. As it spreads many will require hospitalization. We simply don't have the medical resources to handle the virus and everything else!
This would not be a good time to have a major ailment, because getting treatment maybe hard to do. But be forewarned the shut down is for real there are major areas of the country both rural and urban that are closed
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Lantley
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03/27/20 07:20am |
General RVing Issues
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RE: Can You Pass Through States with Stay at Home Orders?
Sorry to those who can't take some humor. This virus has scared far too many people (snowflakes?). Were you all this scared in 2009 when the H1N1 killed 12,468 people in the US and there were 60 million reported cases? As I recall nothing much happened during that pandemic, no panic, no empty store shelves, no stay at home orders, no closed businesses, no nothing. Yet this new virus comes along, which isn't a fraction as deadly as the H1N1 and everyone is losing their minds. Maybe we've gotten too soft.
At this point, if you don't understand the difference between H1N1 or the reasoning behind the current shut down. I won't waste my time trying to explain.
You can just continue with your comedy routine.
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Lantley
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03/24/20 04:36pm |
General RVing Issues
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RE: coronavirus...put it into perspective
As an individual, you are not entitled to make the decision for the rest of us that you should be allowed to put our lives at risk for your "right" to roam the country as you wish. Stay healthy and help others stay healthy.
Society doesn't care how its decisions negatively affect me, but I'm supposed to care how my decisions negatively affect society.
When it's potentially life or death scenario for someone else in society, yes you should care!
Your either part of the problem or part of the solution
Kidnapping is one of the most heinous crimes in society (your precious society). When I was a child the punishment for kidnapping in many states was death. It was on a level with murder and rightly so, in my opinion.
My wife has been effectively kidnapped by society. She can not return to the USA from Colombia for at least 30 days and maybe forever, if that's what "society" wants. She has the legal right to return to the USA but because of a decree by the President of Colombia she can not leave that country right now. I might say there is some argument for this action if they said "If someone wants to travel they must first take a virus test and if they fail the test they can't travel." But that's not what they did. They just cancelled her return flight and the return of everyone else.
You may say, 'It's not kidnapping.' And legally you are right. Society makes the law. But Society makes mistakes. Once Society said you could own slaves. Then they changed their minds. Right and wrong did not change. Society was wrong. Once they said 'No abortion', now they say 'Abortion on demand.' Society has to be wrong with one of those. They can't both be right. And just because society says 'We want to do this and we can do this.' that doesn't make it right. Might does not make right.
She has been effectively kidnapped by society for its selfish reasons. Society doesn't care about her (or me), only itself. Therefore, there is no moral reason why I should care about what is in society's best interest. You're not responsible for my life. I'm not responsible for your life. If a virus comes along and it gets spread by normal activities that does not give society any moral right to take away the freedoms of others for its selfish cowardly reasons. Fact.
So don't try to take the moral high ground with me, because you don't have it.A cogent argument eloquently stated... I applaud you Sir...
Comparing a shutter in place order or a travel ban to a kidnapping is silly. There are plenty of people required to stay in their own homes. Does that mean their kidnapped too.
Should we just let everyone travel freely and let the virus spread at its maximum rate and overwhelm the health system. Which will ultimately cause maximum virus induced deaths.
This is deeper than kidnapping and loss of freedom.
This is about death. This is about lives being taken away not freedom. Despite how uncomfortable or unpleasant staying in place can be it is a far cry from death.
Should people die in order to let others make it home?
At the end of it all freedom can be restored however lost lives cannot.
So we can all stamp are feet and pound are fist and deal with the frustration of confinement wherever you are, knowing that your sacrifice, compliance and suffering is saving the life of someone
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Lantley
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03/24/20 05:56am |
General RVing Issues
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RE: Can You Pass Through States with Stay at Home Orders?
Obviously plenty are. I'm having some fun here. People are so gullible. It must be true, I heard it on the internet, lol.
Glad you think it's funny. Here in MD. Businesses are being forced to close by governor. Today Gov. closed all non essential businesses. There is a lots of uncertainty,worry and anxiety.
People are looking at loosing their livelihoods over this.
Glad you thinks it funny. Those of us living through it are not laughing.
By the way people are really ... dying.....
For some more fun,When you wake up in the AM check and see how many more people died from the virus overnight. It's not a laughing matter.
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Lantley
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03/23/20 08:28pm |
General RVing Issues
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RE: coronavirus...put it into perspective
As an individual, you are not entitled to make the decision for the rest of us that you should be allowed to put our lives at risk for your "right" to roam the country as you wish. Stay healthy and help others stay healthy.
Society doesn't care how its decisions negatively affect me, but I'm supposed to care how my decisions negatively affect society.
When it's potentially life or death scenario for someone else in society, yes you should care!
Your either part of the problem or part of the solution
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Lantley
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03/23/20 07:31pm |
General RVing Issues
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RE: Can You Pass Through States with Stay at Home Orders?
NY is emptying the prisons to make room for the people violating the stay at home rules. I'd stay at home and not chance it. Can you imagine the storage fees for your RV while you're in the pokey?
Why are you pulling his leg? He's asking what he believes to be a serious question.
You are obviously are not in one of these shut down areas. Their is enough anxiety and angst without creating more for fun.
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Lantley
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03/23/20 07:27pm |
General RVing Issues
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RE: Diesel Brothers
If you choose not to follow the rules you will suffer the penalty.
As "Barreta" eloquently said. "Don't due the crime if you can't do the time!" Unless of course you can afford a high powered/priced lawyer.
Or unless you pay to have the rules changed so you are not commuting a crime even though you are spewing more pollution in the air than ten thousand diesel bothers while all the tree huggers worship you. You don't have to follow rules that you pay not to exist.
I agree you can pay to have laws enacted or eliminated. Goes on every day in legislatures all across the country. There are these guys called Lobbyist, they get paid lots of money by rich guys like Musk.Lobbyist also get big bucks from corporate America.
K street in Washington D.C. is about 50 miles from me. Lobbyist have set up shop there an attempt to manipulate Congress on behalf of some cause everyday!For better or worst that's how the game is played.
Elon is just using his deep pockets to accomplish his goals.
Anyone with deep enough pockets can hire a lobbyist or two to influence the law.
None of this makes it legal to delete emissions on diesel pick ups.
Never said it makes it legal. I am just commenting on how people frown upon this yet not upon the rolling coal Elon does all because he had enough money to keep it from being illegal. It is a bit of an oxymoron. A coal rolling rocket that spews millions of tons of diesel emissions is legal and people accept it, but a truck that spews grams(yes grams) is not and people hate them more than the guy who spews millions of tons all because he had enough money to keep his legal.
Most people don't know anything about rocket technology or rocket emissions. Particularly when the transgression occurs in the upper atmosphere out of site.
However people due care when some pick up truck blows a cloud of black smoke in their face. They don't really care that the emissions are deleted.
The public just doesn't want black smoke blown in their face. It's not that complicated.
Those that like to roll coal eventually get the attention of the regulators who ultimately trace the issue back to Diesel Bros.
Diesel Bros. are held accountable. Elon Musk and rockets never come into the picture because the general public has no idea what Elon is doing with is rockets. They care even less about the emissions of his rockets.
The public just does not want black smoke blown in their face.
The public has no problem prosecuting those that assist others who blow smoke in their face.
Elon gets away with blowing smoke because no one understands or realizes whats going on with his rockets. However if Elon's Tesla's were rolling coal he'd feel the backlash just like diesel Bros.
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Lantley
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03/22/20 08:51pm |
Tow Vehicles
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RE: We are gonna go camping!
I was hoping to get out to Cal City in a few weeks. The Lockdown "Shelter in Home" has shutdown those plans. The issue is, vacationing in an RV is not essential travel. The reality is they don't want you taking up a hospital bed due to an accident you might get in while vacationing.
Exactly, you nailed it. Unfortunately it's just not business as usual.
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Lantley
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03/22/20 07:41pm |
Toy Haulers
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RE: Diesel Brothers
If you choose not to follow the rules you will suffer the penalty.
As "Barreta" eloquently said. "Don't due the crime if you can't do the time!" Unless of course you can afford a high powered/priced lawyer.
Or unless you pay to have the rules changed so you are not commuting a crime even though you are spewing more pollution in the air than ten thousand diesel bothers while all the tree huggers worship you. You don't have to follow rules that you pay not to exist.
I agree you can pay to have laws enacted or eliminated. Goes on every day in legislatures all across the country. There are these guys called Lobbyist, they get paid lots of money by rich guys like Musk.Lobbyist also get big bucks from corporate America.
K street in Washington D.C. is about 50 miles from me. Lobbyist have set up shop there an attempt to manipulate Congress on behalf of some cause everyday!For better or worst that's how the game is played.
Elon is just using his deep pockets to accomplish his goals.
Anyone with deep enough pockets can hire a lobbyist or two to influence the law.
None of this makes it legal to delete emissions on diesel pick ups.
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Lantley
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03/22/20 07:35pm |
Tow Vehicles
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RE: Diesel Brothers
So the Diesel Brothers are doing something illegal and Elon is not.
Are you insane?
As I said before, you don't break any laws if you have enough money and power to change them to fit your needs. Why is it that blowing millions of tons of emissions in the air with kerosene rockets(even though cleaner but costlier technology is available) is legal, but having a deleted diesel that only emits less than .8 g/bhp-hr more in NOx and 1.8 g/bhp-hr in PM is? Because people like Elon have the money to change the rules so that they can make more money and do as they please while us common folk don't.
This is like Apples overseas tax havens that keep billions of dollars earned in the US from going to pay US taxes. They have enough money to lobby for tax loopholes or make the fines so small that it is insignificant the amount earned doing the crime while small business don't.
There Maybe some truth to that. But it's bigger than emissions.
In America you get as much justice or political clout as you can afford.
Commit a crime. Any crime from jay walking to disabling emission equipment, to armed robbery. If you can afford a high powered expensive legal team you will find/receive more justice than if you
are being represented by the public defender.
If you're OJ you can beat a murder charge, if you the average guy you can't even beat a speeding ticket in rural Va.(I know 1st hand)
My point is there are rules and regulation for diesel emissions that are beneficial to the population at large and have been successful in clearing the air. Compare Beijing to LA and you can see the difference. Compare LA now to LA 30 years ago and you can see the difference. I'm not saying I love diesel emissions rules but from a layman's perspective they appear to be working.
None of this has anything to do with launching rockets, which has it own set of regulations. This has nothing to do with locomotive engines, jet plane turbines, or ocean going ships.
Trying to put all these pieces together as though we can't regulate pick up trucks if we don't regulate rocket launching is silly.
Furthermore if Diesel bros. had deeper pockets, yes they might receive the Elon Musk treatment. But again so might Shinerbock, Time2roll and Lantley! LOL
But since we don't we better keep are DEF tanks full and in working order.
Of course if we could afford an OJ style legal team we could challenge the emission rules and throw million of $$$ at the EPA to try and prove our point.
At the end of the day 1%'ers like Musk will always play by a different set of rules because they can afford to.
They can afford pricey lawyers and Gulf stream Jets too!
The playing field is not even or level in terms of finance or influence.
Keep in mind you need money to burn/waste to play in this arena. Criss crossing the country in a private jet is only a rational thing to do if you can afford it. Elon can afford it. We can't!
Regular guys who post on RV.net are basically forced to follow (not necessarily like them) the rules as written.1%'ers like Elon can afford to re write the rules and they do. Nothing new or novel there! LOL
If you choose not to follow the rules you will suffer the penalty.
As "Barreta" eloquently said. "Don't due the crime if you can't do the time!" Unless of course you can afford a high powered/priced lawyer.
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Lantley
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03/22/20 11:30am |
Tow Vehicles
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