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RE: Generator question
For the record a 3000 watt genset does not have the same power as a 30 amp pedestal. A pedestal has 120 volts x 30 amps = 3600 watts vs. 3000 for the genset.
Not a huge difference and not a deal breaker, but a not quite equal either.
Depends how the generator is spec'd...and that's all over the place.
Had a Yamaha 2400 that could spike to over 3000w for startup loads. The aircon typically pulled 1200-1500w, so it worked fine with enough for other light loads (fridge, tv, lights, etc...)
The tried and true Honda 2000w units peak at 2000w with a continuous output of 1600w.
A 30amp campground pedestal is only rated for 24amps (2800w) continuous load.
In terms of generators, 3000w is typically suggested as the minimum size where it can reliably kick over the air/con compressor without modifications to the air/con unit and you aren't running the generator at max rating all the time.
My only point is that none of the 3000 watt gensets are not putting out the power equivalent of a 30 amp pedestal which is 3600 watts.
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Lantley
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01/24/23 04:56am |
Fifth-Wheels
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RE: DISCUSSION: 8 ft + crew cab vs. SUV
Went from a diesel Excursion to a 07 Duramax dually crew cab 8' bed.
In the end the biggest difference was the loss of passenger space.
The crew cab could never make up for the loss of passenger space.
Lacking passenger space occasionally forced us to take 2 vehicles or leave people behind.
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Lantley
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01/23/23 05:30pm |
Tow Vehicles
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RE: Bill giving residents priority at booking FL state parks
To think out of towners don't pay and add to the Fla. economy is misguided.
Tourism is Florida's thing. Should all state's adopt Florida's approach?
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Lantley
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01/23/23 05:21pm |
RV Parks, Campgrounds and Attractions
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RE: EV alternative for light/medium duty trucks
I am the OP. I just read through the entire thread again. You still haven't convinced me that you can replace all vehicles with electric or hydrogen, then rebuild the entire infrastructure system converting natural gas to hydrogen or building the new electric transmission lines for less money than onsite production of hydrocarbons as a refinery feedstock at renewable energy facilities.
I think with both hydrogen and EV's, the cost of fleet replacement and building the support infrastructure are vastly under estimated. My way, you pay as you go. It is invisible to the consumer.
We sort of touch on this somewhere along the way already.
Tesla took EV from the drawing board to reality overnight.
Mainstream manufactures were focus on building EV commuter economy boxes when Tesla left them in the dust.
Tesla built there own car distribution network including nationwide charging stations just to show it could be done.
The efficiency of the Tesla has led other manufactures to drop their ICE cars altogether.
Once again we want to blur the lines with storage , the power grid, and infrastructure issues. You don't have to be an aviation genius to understand when the Wright Brothers built their first plane there was no airports, pilots, runways, guidance ,systems, radar or FAA.
Somehow we got it done. EV infrastructure is a challenge that will take time and $$.But its not an insurmountable problem
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Lantley
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01/22/23 03:02pm |
Tow Vehicles
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RE: EV alternative for light/medium duty trucks
Body panel alignment has never been a criteria for a car purchase for me.
Most of the general public won't understand or even notice what you are referring to.
I may pay closer attention on a used car in an effort to look for possible accident damage but otherwise who cares on a new car.
You see lots of Teslas on the road. They have taken huge market share from BMW and Mercedes.
For better or worse at the end of the day the public is interested in Tesla's game changing innovation and could care less about body panel alignment.
Yah. We have had two teslas. A 3 and a Y. The quality on both was better than our Gesnd Cherokee. We have had two minor issues in three years. A camera alignment and a rear seat that didn’t fold down smoothly when the button was pressed. In both cases the service was done by tesla at our house. I have never had any manufacturer do that. Getting an appointment for the Jeep was always weeks away. Tesla was less than a week in both cases and it was all done on the app. Happy customers.
More of the game changing approach that has left the competition flat footed. Has anyone heard of the big three or any mainstream manufacturer sending techs to do home repairs via an app!
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Lantley
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01/22/23 02:40pm |
Tow Vehicles
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RE: EV alternative for light/medium duty trucks
Body panel alignment has never been a criteria for a car purchase for me.
Most of the general public won't understand or even notice what you are referring to.
I may pay closer attention on a used car in an effort to look for possible accident damage but otherwise who cares on a new car.
You see lots of Teslas on the road. They have taken huge market share from BMW and Mercedes.
For better or worse at the end of the day the public is interested in Tesla's game changing innovation and could care less about body panel alignment.
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Lantley
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01/22/23 11:27am |
Tow Vehicles
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RE: Generator question
The photo I posted of the pin box mount is not my rig. I posted a generic photo I found on the internet to give the OP an idea of what a pin Box mount looked like.
But as some have pointed out all portables are not created equal.
Potables come in all sizes, weights, noise levels and price points.
Choosing the right RV portable generator is all part of the process.
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Lantley
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01/21/23 10:20am |
Fifth-Wheels
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RE: EV alternative for light/medium duty trucks
You Chicken little men are too much. A Tesla semi breaks down and you want to scrap the entire program. I wonder if Kenworth had this bashing when there first truck broke down!
Funny thing is we have large wrecker companies, trucker down website and all kinds of resources dedicated to repairing over the road semi trucks.
Why?............Because they break down! They all breakdown. I don't think the Tesla Semi truck sky is falling just yet!
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Lantley
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01/21/23 10:04am |
Tow Vehicles
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RE: EV alternative for light/medium duty trucks
Tesla was never known by their quality.
Any one I ever looked at close, no matter the model,3, X, S, doesn't matter, had the worst job of body panel alignment I've ever seen. They need to go to a good body shop for a going over before they ever hit the road. The body panels were aligned better on 1970's Ford Mavericks and Pintos.
Really! Tesla is building an innovative looking car to compete with a Maserati! I can't imagine much effort was put in making sure TEsla had the cleanest lines in the industry. Tesla had much bigger challenges than body panel alignment.
Their innovation is certainly not about the body panels.
Their innovation transformed EV's from economy minded commuter boxes that the mainstream manufactures were struggling to build.
To a totally new concept that delivered enough performance and viability that it threatens to eliminate ICE cars in the future.
AS I keep saying you need to drive a Tesla to understand that the EV revolution is all about. Debating/chastising body panel alignment totally misses the boat!
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Lantley
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01/21/23 08:07am |
Tow Vehicles
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RE: Generator question
I believe they are generally home made
https://i.imgur.com/XK7R3DO.jpg width=640
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Lantley
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01/20/23 07:06pm |
Fifth-Wheels
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RE: Generator question
pin box mounted genset
https://www.forestriverforums.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=179596&d=1531606803 width=640
Moderator edit to re-size image to forum recommended limit of 640px maximum width.
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Lantley
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01/20/23 06:19pm |
Fifth-Wheels
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RE: Generator question
For the record a 3000 watt genset does not have the same power as a 30 amp pedestal. A pedestal has 120 volts x 30 amps = 3600 watts vs. 3000 for the genset.
Not a huge difference and not a deal breaker, but a not quite equal either.
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Lantley
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01/20/23 05:31pm |
Fifth-Wheels
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RE: RV Flex Armor
Seams are always an issue on any roof.
But claiming the standard roof is fine vs. Flex Armor is misleading.
Sort of like claiming standard drum magnetic brakes are the same as disc brakes.
Both Flex Armor and disc brakes are a significant improvement vs. the standard OEM counterpart.
Never made any claim to the contrary. I simply pointed out that most failures of the rubber roof system are the sidewall connection points, something that Flex Armor doesn't suffer from. I am fine with the quality of the rubber roof, for the most part. It isn't the BEST system, but its included in the price, so it works fine for me.
$500 to have Flex Armor applied around the roof/wall seams would be a reasonable expense and a significant upgrade. $5-6000 to cover the whole roof doesn't make financial sense for me. Just stating that it would be nice as an option. It doesn't need to be ALL or NOTHING.
As with any roof the weak spots are the seams and penetrations.
Sealing the ends would be beneficial, but other penetrations would still remain. Doing the entire roof is the only way to get real foolproof protection.
You are correct the rubber roof is not the best system, which opens the door for a product like Flex Armor.
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Lantley
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01/19/23 07:17pm |
Fifth-Wheels
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RE: Generator question
This is how I travel occasionally as well. The built in allows you to be fully self contained with ease.
Pin Box mount is not a bad idea, but not quite push button convenience. You have to protect the genset from the elements somehow? You have to get out the cord, put it away, start the genset outside....maybe you have remote start? Hopefully you have electric start and not pulling a cord!
Lastly you have to refuel the genset which requires carrying gas cans, maybe a ladder or stool to reach genset. If you vehicle is a diesel gas is a fuel you otherwise would not deal with.
If your vehicle is a gasser, gasoline is less of an issue
Again portables are just as capable a lot cheaper, but not nearly as convenient.
The convenience factor allows for more usage. Especially more trivial usage. You don't hesitate to use genset because it requires absolutely no set up or user input other than pushing that button.
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Lantley
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01/19/23 10:47am |
Fifth-Wheels
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RE: RV Flex Armor
I'd be a LOT more interested if they had a product that was about 8" wide right where the rubber roof meets the front, side and back walls. That is the weak spot in the traditional RV roof. The other 95% of the roof is perfectly fine.
It would be similar to Eternabond tape application around the seams, but ideally look a little more professional.
Seams are always an issue on any roof.
But claiming the standard roof is fine vs. Flex Armor is misleading.
Sort of like claiming standard drum magnetic brakes are the same as disc brakes.
Both Flex Armor and disc brakes are a significant improvement vs. the standard OEM counterpart.
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Lantley
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01/19/23 05:22am |
Fifth-Wheels
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RE: Generator question
Currently I have a built in Onan 5500lp genset that I use just as the OP mentioned. My prior bumper pull had a 4300 watt inverter genset in a diamond plate enclosure mounted on the rear. The portable was fine and got the job done.
However, the built in is all about convenience. Just push a button and I have instant power. No fuel issue, no hauling, no plugging in , no loading, no unloading, no security issues. No planning required. Just push button convenience.
Because it convenient its easy to use. Stop for lunch on a hot day, A.C. and microwave are available just push the button.
Decide you want to stop for lunch at a restaurant on a hot day, dog stays in RV with A.C running ...just push the button. It's that easy.
Walmart docking on a hot summer night is easy too.
Because it's convenient the built in creates lots of options and flexibility.
Portables are just as capable and much cheaper to buy, although I can run both A.C.'s with my Onan can't do both with a portable.
Portables just require more work to use them. More work maybe simply plugging in the power cord. But ultimately the portable needs to be loaded up and transported in some fashion.
Often campers leave their portable in the truck bed and run the genset from the truck which is fine until the truck has to leave for some reason and the electric goes with it! Sure you can unload genset but that just leads to more inconvenience.
I have experienced both and prefer the built in for convenience.
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Lantley
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01/18/23 04:57pm |
Fifth-Wheels
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RE: EV alternative for light/medium duty trucks
Reisinder Wrote:
Just keeping it real.
Reisinder I for one appreciate your post and your comments.
As someone who actually owns and dares to tow and camp with an EV you are a tremendous source of first hand knowledge.
My comments as far as charging and time were more directed at everyday use vs. towing.
With that in mind I challenge those who have not experienced a Tesla to find a way to take a ride in a Tesla.
I'm not suggesting it will make you wanna run out and buy an EV. But it will likely change your opinion and give you a better understanding of what the EV fuss is all about.
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Lantley
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01/15/23 12:06pm |
Tow Vehicles
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RE: EV alternative for light/medium duty trucks
All I will add to all this diatribe is that the real advantage of EV's is efficiency.
Charge time is not efficient.
Efficiency defines energy in this case, time is really a different parameter.
That said charging time does not derate the EV's efficiency nor does it limit its viability in most cases.
Sure if your competing in the 24 hours at Daytona or crossing the country in a competition like "It's a Mad Mad World". Charge time may have a huge impact, but for typical every day use charge time is not a huge factor.
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Lantley
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01/15/23 10:47am |
Tow Vehicles
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RE: EV alternative for light/medium duty trucks
Why do you think all auto manufacturers world wide have suddenly committed to EV?
After taking a ride in a Tesla you will have a much better understanding of the EV debate. You will understand why Elon is the richest man in the world and can afford to buy Twitter!
He single handily changed the game!
First, not all auto manufacturers world wide have committed to EV's. Second, the ONLY reasons US manufactures switched was due to state and federal regulations to do so coupled with subsidies. And at a cost. Ford alone cut 3,000 + jobs. Lastly, Elon is not the richest (or was) man in the world from selling Teslas. It's because the US gave him Billions in funding from taxpayer dollars. We won't delve into the fact that he nearly ran twitter in the ground in the first month.
Again, I am not anti EV, but facts are facts. Sure Teslas might be fun to drive, great for a certain market and packed with a lot of technology. But they are not the climate and ecological silver bullet they were touted as and they aren't thriving from a free market.
None of your responses changes the validity of what I wrote
Should I have said all major manufactures world wide? Maybe I should have said most? Surely you don't think Elon gained is wealth from sheer luck by scamming the government.
I make another erroneous claim and state all major corporations take all the government subsidies they can get!
Elon wasn't the first and won't be the last entrepreneur to accept subsidies.. To the taxpayer's dismay it's simply how the game is played.
Not only is Tesla thriving in the free market , they are changing the free market. Because of Tesla's success in showing that EV's can be way more than an econobox commuter car. The ICE competition has taken a if you can't beat them join them approach.
ICE manufactures have come to realize EV is a viable way for the future.
None of this will make any sense until you experience a Tesla ride first hand. Otherwise it's just words on a screen.
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Lantley
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01/14/23 12:31pm |
Tow Vehicles
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RE: Roadtrip by car vs RV, a couple of thoughts...
For those retired or unlimited time available, RVs certainly are generally preferable for trips short and long. For those still working, then RVs are great for shorter trips, or longer trips if available vacation days allow. But for those on limited days available and a desire to visit distant areas, then air and hotel makes more sense. Or maybe car and hotel if reachable in 2 long days. 3-4 days to reach a destination by RV and 3-4 days to return when you only have 10 days to 2 weeks open leaves little time to enjoy that destination. We always based our travel method on distance and available time before retirement, and many times afterward. And always enjoyed both. Never tried to justify costs of one over the other for any given trip.
This sort of says it all. Time permitting I'm taking the RV.
I am not retired so time is a factor.
I committed to the RV the day a bought it. The only way I get any value out of the RV is to use it. Leaving the RV parked is in of itself a lost money.
We all know RV travel has a cost, trying to avoid those cost defeats the point of owning an RV!
Choosing an alternative method to travel when you have the time to take the RV is always a mistake in my book. If you are retired time is on your side. While I understand we all have time restraints There is no need to rush back to retired life!
RV travel has never been the cheapest way, unless you ignore the cost of owning the RV.
However if you already own the RV the only way to maximize its value is to use it!
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Lantley
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01/13/23 10:12pm |
General RVing Issues
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