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RE: Social distancing
If we had a "like"button, I would click on it.
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MFL
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01/16/21 06:16pm |
General RVing Issues
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RE: Towing capacity vs max cargo weight rating
No it says combined, that means weight of passengers and and anything else added to vehicle.
This^^^ Now we know your actual truck wt, when it left the factory, which is 7,839, and more realistic. Anything added, bed mat, mud flaps tonneau cover, and hitch, will reduce this 2,161 available payload.
But still, the good news...follow those axle/tire ratings.
Jerry
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MFL
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01/16/21 04:55pm |
Tow Vehicles
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RE: Dometic RV Toilet - Model 300
Nice of you to post, concerning your good experience with Dometic! It is good to know that some manufacturers will stand behind their product.
Jerry
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MFL
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01/16/21 01:46pm |
Travel Trailers
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RE: Newer 5ers, Slider Hitch Required For Short Beds?
Ron...Lots of variables with this issue! One person's experience may be good, and the other not so much. You know about the shape of front, but the length of pin box can vary, and one hitch will work better than another, due to adjustability, even though not a slider.
The truck itself makes a difference, due to axle center to back of cab distance. GM will work best, longest distance, then Ford, and of course your Ram, has the shortest distance.
Cummins2014, a forum member here, uses an Andersen hitch in a similar truck, with no issue, and likes the hitch. I know there are other Ram owners, using this hitch, also with good results.
Jerry
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MFL
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01/15/21 08:03pm |
Fifth-Wheels
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RE: 5th wheel hitch suggestion
Hey Hey Hey...... B&W will make your day and the others, well they can get out of the way!
FWIW, the Prez of the B&W Fan Club made a convert out of me 4 years ago! One of the best investments I made for RVing/towing!
And to augment FTG's post about waiting for the B&W fan club hat and membership card, I'm still waiting as well. LOL
A bit of bad news guys. I called J Works, at home, while he was eating dinner, and demanded my hat, and T-shirt, years ago. He said so many hitches sold, they were unable to get enough caps from supplier, and up to 10 yr wait time. He did send his own hat and T-shirt to me, arrived in 2 days, with a note " please don't call me during dinner";)
Jerry
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MFL
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01/15/21 02:15pm |
Fifth-Wheels
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RE: Towing capacity vs max cargo weight rating
I try and stay away from the lawsuit conversations and what ifs to follow. The thing I will add is, a person with many assets, and no, or little debt, will always be a candidate for a lawsuit. An injured party, and their lawyer will not waste their time on the average person, that already owes way more than they are worth. Can't say never, but very unlikely.
There are more people out there, driving with no liability insurance, than you responsible members here can imagine. The reason is, they have nothing to lose, other than their license, if they have one, and worst case, a short jail time.
Jerry
It's not personnel wealth that lawyers are after. Lawyers seek a viable/active insurance policy. The average person is not wealthy that's why we refer to the wealthy as 1%'ers. However the average person that owns a vehicle has an insurance policy, which is all the lawyers need to make a suit worthwhile. Commercial vehicles are even more enticing because they have higher liability limits.
Commercial vehicles are also less likely to have their policies lapse.
I agree a person with little money and no policy has nothing to lose, however business models are generally not built around that persons finances.
I think my meaning was missed, as to civil suits. I should have said any civil suit, not just pertaining to auto insurance claims. However, having auto liability insurance is a must, in most cases. How much, does depend on your personal wealth (ability to pay, over and above your insurance you currently have).
In my state, a minimum of only 50K liability is required on a personal motor vehicle. In my state, I have the option of posting a bond of this amount, that will be held by the state, until I choose to purchase insurance. This to me, seems foolish for anyone to do. If you have 50K that you can leave sit in the state capitol indefinitely, you have much more to lose in a civil injury suit.
For this reason, some are fine with minimum coverage, as they have little for anyone to go after, to collect further damages. Our insurance agent, helps us decide what we need. It may be 100K, for one person, but 500K for the next. In todays world a million dollar liability is common, even on a personal use vehicle.
This the reason, that personal wealth matters, in most any suit!
My .02
Jerry
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MFL
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01/15/21 08:24am |
Tow Vehicles
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RE: Help with hitch rails - 2004 Sierra
I agree with above, wait for the custom fit brackets. They will be an easier install, and may be more solid, than universal fit.
Jerry
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MFL
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01/15/21 04:30am |
Fifth-Wheels
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RE: 5th wheel hitch suggestion
The installation instructions for the 3300 show the hitch head supports to be installed in two positions. One is 1" in front of the axle, the other is 3" in front of the axle. I don't see any accommodation for 2" behind the axle. The hitch will only serve to reduce your cab clearance.
You are correct, won't be behind axle. It will be 1 inch in front of axle center, but not really in front of axle.
If the OP did not use his previous slider in 13 years, with his Ram, he will now have several more inches of clearance with his new Ford.
Jerry
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MFL
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01/14/21 11:30am |
Fifth-Wheels
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RE: 5th wheel hitch suggestion
cummins2014 wrote:
"I wouldn't say the 3300 is the best choice ,but a good one . His truck ,his fifth wheel weight I wouldn't hesitate to go with the Andersen. I personally wouldn't tow with anything else"
The OP wants to use the puck system in his new truck, which IMO, makes the 3300 a better choice than a single point attaching hitch, or needing a raised adapter for a rail attachment.
Jerry
I think you missed the weight of his fifth wheel, and using the single point Andersen hitch. No I wouldn't go the single point with the heavier fifth wheels , meaning in the 16-18K GVWR. Yes I wouldn't go the frame adapter either now .Had to back in 2014 to stay with my standard Reese hitch . Its an option If he wanted to save some money ,and use his existing hitch , but that doesn't sound like what he wants to do . He wants a new quiet hitch .
I did see the FW weight, but just a personal preference on any single point attachment. Also taking into account the aluminum bed, that may be more robust than steel, IDK? The 3300 for Ford is very solid, but still light, top 75 lbs, base 78 lbs.
I don't think Andersen wants to build a hitch for pucks, or they would have already done that. Makes no sense to me, as that would be a great option for many!
Jerry
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MFL
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01/14/21 11:08am |
Fifth-Wheels
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RE: 5th wheel hitch suggestion
cummins2014 wrote:
"I wouldn't say the 3300 is the best choice ,but a good one . His truck ,his fifth wheel weight I wouldn't hesitate to go with the Andersen. I personally wouldn't tow with anything else"
The OP wants to use the puck system in his new truck, which IMO, makes the 3300 a better choice than a single point attaching hitch, or needing a raised adapter for a rail attachment.
Jerry
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MFL
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01/14/21 09:41am |
Fifth-Wheels
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RE: 5th wheel hitch suggestion
Mine is 6'9"s, by todays description, a standard bed, vrs a long bed.:)
When I ordered my truck in early 13, the 3300 for pucks, was not yet available. I did not want the Reese/Ford version that was the only choice, so did not order prep pkg. I have the Patriot with rails, which I am happy with! The 3300 became available shortly after my truck started down the assembly line. Nope, could not add the FW prep pkg.
Jerry
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MFL
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01/14/21 08:58am |
Fifth-Wheels
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RE: 5th wheel hitch suggestion
You are on track with your thinking. You didn't use the slider with the Ram, and now the Ford will work even better. It isn't the bed length though, as much as it is the distance from axle center, to the back of cab. The Ford is giving you several more inches of clearance in this case. No, you don't need a slider!
The 3300 is by far the best choice for your new Ford! You just upgraded to the best truck, may as well put best hitch in it!! You will love them both!
Congrats on the new purchases,
Jerry
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MFL
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01/14/21 08:42am |
Fifth-Wheels
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RE: Towing capacity vs max cargo weight rating
I try and stay away from the lawsuit conversations and what ifs to follow. The thing I will add is, a person with many assets, and no, or little debt, will always be a candidate for a lawsuit. An injured party, and their lawyer will not waste their time on the average person, that already owes way more than they are worth. Can't say never, but very unlikely.
There are more people out there, driving with no liability insurance, than you responsible members here can imagine. The reason is, they have nothing to lose, other than their license, if they have one, and worst case, a short jail time.
Jerry
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MFL
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01/14/21 05:35am |
Tow Vehicles
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RE: That’s A Bunch Of Grass!
I am not ag familiar, nor am I familiar with a gooseneck trailer pin percentage. I suspect a minimum 25% hitch wt, and allowing 10K for truck, leaves 43K for trailer, with near 11K on the hitch ball. If truck axle is at 4K, that is around 15K on truck rear axle.
Makes the Ford look pretty stout/job ready. Maybe just can't see the line that reads "don't try this at home"!
I suppose they did not want to weigh/show rear axle wt.
Jerry
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MFL
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01/13/21 08:28am |
Tow Vehicles
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RE: That’s A Bunch Of Grass!
The truck may not be overloaded. Maybe somebody who knows about hay can tell us how much that load ought to weigh.
As much as I'm not the weight cops, I'm pretty sure the scale pic of just shy of 53k gcvw is a bit over every rating in the book, save for DOT bridge/axle laws.
Am I bad...but once again, I agree with Grit, concerning that scaled wt. Also looking at the axles of trailer, while a triple, they are well back from trailer center.
Jerry
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MFL
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01/12/21 11:08am |
Tow Vehicles
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RE: That’s A Bunch Of Grass!
Thinking of Me Again's thread below, this shows an ACTUAL Ford at work.
It just tells us, no matter the size of the truck, someone will overload it!
Jerry
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MFL
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01/12/21 06:22am |
Tow Vehicles
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RE: Towing capacity vs max cargo weight rating
Lots of opinions/theories on rv websites pertaining to how or when a mfg GVWR is used.
On rv websites we hear we can be sued for exceeding the mfg GVWR in case of accident with injury.
On haulers websites using the same size trailers and tow trucks we don't face civil lawsuits scenario/overweight tickets if were over the vehicle mfg GVWR.
Any theories why this is ???
No theory Jim, but an obvious answer! It is the difference of a recreational users opinion, compared to someone who makes their living every day towing/hauling, and NEEDS to know these things.
Said it for you. :)
Jerry
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MFL
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01/11/21 07:18am |
Tow Vehicles
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RE: Towing capacity vs max cargo weight rating
OP...if you got that payload figure from a guide you were looking at, that is not for your truck. There is a tire loading max payload sticker on your very own truck's door pillar, that reads max payload wt not to exceed xxxx. this is the one that if 2,000 lbs, means your truck weighed 8,000 lbs as it left the factory.
In any case, if you added spring support, your useable pin weight on rear axle will be your tire rating. On your truck they should be max rated about 3,490 x 2, so 6,980. Stay under that by several hundred lbs,and enjoy the tow.
Jerry
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MFL
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01/10/21 02:43pm |
Tow Vehicles
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RE: Towing capacity vs max cargo weight rating
Are you sure it's not 2700lb payload?
I know there are some oddly weak payload trucks out there but it would be unusual to find a truck with a 15k 5th Wheel/Gooseneck rating and only 1700lb payload.
Is it some kind of gorped up harley edition where they added 500lb of bling eating up a lot of the payload?
Not saying it would be impossible but a good chance you misread something.
That was my thought as well. What is the point of a "Heavy Duty" truck with 1700 lbs of payload? And how do you make a F250 weigh 8300 lbs empty??? Must be a lot of Harley Davidson and Powerstroke stickers to weigh that much...
I kind of agree on payload number??? However, there were many 250 diesel trucks 2011 and newer with a payload just under 2K. Some were even SRW 350s with artificial 10K GVWR sticker, which also showed sub 2K payload.
I thought most understood the 250-350 difference. Until more recent years, an extra spring, and the infamous stickers, was the only difference, if diesel. Certainly if you compare class 2 10K to class 3 11.5K GVWR, a 1,500 lbs of additional payload appears, but truck is same. Many 250s already had the extra spring. If not, add it, or bags, and GTG.
I hate to quote Grit Dog, lol, but "many are overthinking this"
Jerry
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MFL
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01/10/21 12:46pm |
Tow Vehicles
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RE: Towing capacity vs max cargo weight rating
The RAWR would be considered the legal issue, in your example, and more specifically the tire rating on the rear axle. In some states, the registration weight is a legal issue, but in those states you can buy more registration wt. Even though your truck door sticker says 10K, you can purchase 12K or more if you want.
While many speak on forums, about legal issues, no one speaks of personal experience, unless maybe they are a commercial hauler.
Another thought...you mentioned getting more payload from a gas engine truck. Yes, due to the lighter drivetrain, the truck itself will weigh less. This really makes little difference, due to the RAWR being similar between the two, and most of the heavy diesel wt is on the front axle.
I can't give legal advice to anyone on a forum, but the truck/trailer you are talking about, is a non-issue IMHO. If you fit in the rear axle weight I described in the example, you are GTG.
Jerry
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MFL
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01/10/21 07:55am |
Tow Vehicles
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