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RE: ALDE heating and water heating system. Comments welcome.

Wow. Ton of information here. Trying to get my head around all of it. Found some YouTube info as well. Not intimidated but a little more enlightened to what’s involved. A big thanks to all who have contributed.
Reisender 07/25/21 07:33pm Tech Issues
RE: ALDE heating and water heating system. Comments welcome.

Hi folks. We are looking at a little trailer for our next RV. The unit has an ALDE hydronic heating and cooling system. It is a Swedish system and seems quite common in Europe. Wondering how many have or have had this system and what they thought of it. Thanks in advance. Cheers. unless somthing has changed there is no cooling in the ALDE system, it would have a normal ac on top of the unit like any other trailer. the ALDE is heating, or heating and hot water. Myself, I wonder why it has taken so long to get an efficent silent and powerfull heating system in RV's that require way less battery power. I am even looking at the feasability of retrofitting one of these systems into my Truck Camper. Steve You are right Steve. I should have said heating and hot water. My bad. I edited the original post. The [email protected] uses basement/cabinet air so nothing on the roof. . I have talked to a Couple folks and they are happy with the cooling. I was in the trailer and the AC unit didn’t seem noisy. I’m sure it will be fine.
Reisender 07/25/21 09:29am Tech Issues
RE: ALDE heating and water heating system. Comments welcome.

We had that system in a Nucamp Tab trailer we had for a very short while. We never fired it up. It was located under the bed. It did have a good bit of maintenance requirements. The RV was so small we just used a small electric heater. We had the camper for less than a year as it was too small for our likes. Not for cooling heating only. Yah. It’s the [email protected] 400 we are looking at. Small is important for our intended use. I found a Facebook page of owners and have listed a couple questions there as well. We are not planning on any winter camping but fall and early spring are definitely in the picture for us. I’m interested in reliability and serviceability comments. Thanks for your input.
Reisender 07/25/21 08:15am Tech Issues
RE: ALDE heating and water heating system. Comments welcome.

What little trailer? We are looking at a Nucamp [email protected] 400. It checks most of the boxes for us. Easy on and off ferries, Gets us into the small parks and sites and pullable by the SUV we have selected. We have talked to a couple folks who recently got one but other than the hot water they haven’t had cause to use the heating which we will need. Just trying to touch base with those who have done some fall or early spring camping.
Reisender 07/25/21 08:10am Tech Issues
RE: Anyone have an all elec. car

I wonder how long the free or compilatory charging stations will stay free. I would think something like $1.00 a minute. So $60.00 for a 1 hour charge. Plus local, state and federal taxes equal to or grater then the taxes on gas. Hmmm. It may be different where you are but I’m not aware of free DC fast charging stations unless maybe it’s some kind of short term promotion. I have seen new stations with 30 day promotional runs so people will come out and find them. Staying connected to a DCFC for an hour would be extremely rude, and probably incur some serious idle charges as the car would have finished long before that. I have seen level 2 charges that are free. Usually at restaurants or hotels or golf courses. Usually used as loss leaders. They give you a buck or two worth of power and you spend 60 bucks in the restaurant, or 200 bucks on the golf course or 120 bucks on a hotel. :). Cheers.
Reisender 07/24/21 08:31pm Around the Campfire
RE: Anyone have an all elec. car

Back again with a thought... (this could be dangerous) Are there any EVs yet that can be towed 4-down? There were not last time I looked. Now, if some EV builder made a model that could be towed 4-down, and had a feature that when in braking mode signaled from the coach, it went into regenerative braking so as to recharge the system when you want to slow the rig anyway. Do you think that they could sell a few in this crowd? Matt No EV’s I know of are towable four down...or not within the guidelines of the warranty. :) Leafs can be towed on a dolly.
Reisender 07/24/21 08:22pm Around the Campfire
RE: Anyone have an all elec. car

My bro-in-law leased a Chevy Bolt. The good: peppy performance, cute styling, and plenty of room for 4 adults. BIL is 6'4" and had ample headroom. The not-so-good: He opted for the "cheaper" home charger which basically took all night to recharge. He and Ed had gone for a nice lunch, and plugged into the downtown stanchion - Ed said that an hour-and-a-half of charging resulted in 6 more miles of driving. Lastly, our son is a volunteer firefighter and "Tech 5", and has quite a bit of training on extrication from a crashed EV. As of July 15th, Chevy has advised Bolt owners to park and charge their cars outside, after 2 cars caught fire. I'm not sold on EVs. Yet. A Chevy bolt charges at 7.2 KW rate on an L2 charger which is what we’ll assume he was connected to. In an hour and a half it would take on about 10 to 11 kWh. At about 6.4 kilometres per kWh your looking at around 60 is kilometres or 40 ish miles depending on driving conditions. If he charged for an hour and a half either the car or the charge station is defective.
Reisender 07/24/21 08:19pm Around the Campfire
ALDE heating and water heating system. Comments welcome.

Hi folks. We are looking at a little trailer for our next RV. The unit has an ALDE hydronic heating and hot water system. It is a Swedish system and seems quite common in Europe. Wondering how many have or have had this system and what they thought of it. Thanks in advance. Cheers. On edit. Fixed the original question to reflect hot water.
Reisender 07/24/21 08:06pm Tech Issues
RE: Anyone have an all elec. car

Don't seem very practical yet, at least for long trips. Maybe way in the future they might be. Plus who wants to sit around at a charging station, if you can find one, for hours waiting for your vehicle to fully charge? A cross country trip would take forever. I'll take my gas powered vehicle any day. Electric might be fine for just in town trips only. Yah, none of those things happen if you are driving any of the late model more common long range EV's.
Reisender 07/20/21 08:24am Around the Campfire
RE: Anyone have an all elec. car

Am considering one, your opinions good and bad would be greatly appreciated. Yep. This one. https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50711223276_d82b9dae48_c.jpg https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50275591676_b770306924_c.jpg
Reisender 07/20/21 08:22am Around the Campfire
RE: Tesla Semi truck unveil & test ride set for Oct 26th !

The Tesla is street legal, handles well, and is fast with 5 people inside an air conditioned cabin. That Mustang is useless for anything other than turning money into smoke.But it also looks way cool. The Tesla looks like a four-door sedan. There's a reason nobody hotrods four-door sedans. Don't forget, it sounds way better too:C I don’t know. Check out Randy Pobst and his Tesla Paid model S. Kinda cool sound. By the way, Randy is 64 years old and won the race. When I grow up I want to be like him. Amazing reactions. Watch the whole video...and hang on. Nuts. https://youtu.be/YzSHOw-ilMA
Reisender 06/30/21 01:31pm Tow Vehicles
RE: New F-150 Electric P/U

I can’t speak for other vehicles but certainly our present EV uses no where near those suggested numbers. Typically AC draws around an additional KW plus or minus. Think of a small 5000 btu Home Depot air conditioner mounted in a small space like a car. It doesn’t take long to turn it into a meat locker. If you are stuck in traffic for 8 hours and wanting to keep cool an EV is a great place to be. You might use 10 percent of an 80 KWh battery. Really, running AC is not a big deal. The car figures it out and calculates your required charging stop and location accordingly. Cold? It depends. If your EV has a heat pump it’s not too bad down to a certain point before resistance heat kicks in. If you have an older EV that only had resistance heat you can lose a third or more of your range. Either way, the car figures it out and calculates your charging stop and location accordingly. Of course, as always, analyze your own needs and see if it’s right for you. For our needs and performance expectation gas vehicles have lots of disadvantages and no advantages so it’s an easy decision. But others with different needs and expectations may be better suited to gas vehicles. Can’t speak to towing as we have no experience towing with an EV. I’m not sure if the OP was planning on towing to his sons house, although I didn’t get that impression. Cheers. Welcome back @Reisender and your invaluable real-life knowledge about EV's and charging. As opposed to those "no it can't" party-poopers theorists, lol. Ah yeah, I repeat. I have orders for both F150 Lightning and Cybertruck. And if I can get 150 miles between re-charging, I'll will be plenty happy as this is my stops anyways for lunch and bathroom breaks. I'm into RVing for light and easy travels and not to accumulate mileage (no rewards for that). Thanks for the welcome. I’ll pop in from time to time. We have anchored on our next RV but won’t be buying till the new year so we feel a little funny posting on an RV board without an RV. Looks like we are going with a [email protected] 400 and towing with an EV SUV. Probably model Y or model X. Fellow in town has the model Y and [email protected] 400 combo and him and his wife are having a blast. And small enough to get on the smaller ferries that go to the smaller islands off Vancouver island. Some amazing hiking...assuming you don’t get eaten by a bear. :). We put in a reservation for a model X just in case as the waiting list is 8 months to get one. But the reality is we’ll probably just get the model Y. It’s going to be a big change from that pusher. :). Cheers.
Reisender 06/30/21 10:11am Tow Vehicles
RE: New F-150 Electric P/U

I dont/will not own one, but even Tesla fans admit the range suffers horribly. Teslarati article and this was a less than 5000 lb boat. A travel trailer, due to the frontal wind resistance will be considerably worse. As an urban, maybe even suburban, grocery getter, enjoy your tesla or other EV, but to work for what folks do for RV'ing they have a long way to go. Totally agree.
Reisender 06/29/21 07:25pm Tow Vehicles
RE: New F-150 Electric P/U

Going back to the OP's comment. He would not have enough range to go to son's house. When there, he would be stuck with trying to charge using a standard 15 amp outlet, which will take DAYS to charge for MOST of the return trip. Or, just stop in at a public charger for 15 or 20 minutes and spend 8 or 10 bucks. It depends on ones schedule I suppose. IF one is close by and available. Yes that’s true. That depends on infrastructure. In our province DC fast chargers are pretty much ubiquitous and more everyday. But every region is different of course. Always best to analyze your personal situation. And on top of this, normally people dont calculate the use of heat or AC into a vehicle trip, BUT with these electric vehicles, the use of either further reduces your useful range by 30-50%, so on a summer day, that 350 mile trip will now requires 2 stops to recharge due to the AC reducing the already limited range. And since this thread was started as a "Tow vehicles" thread. lets further reduce the range again, to where that F-150 with a claimed 300 mile range will likely have only 90 to 120 miles available when pulling your trailer on a summer day. Welcome to the 1930's. I can’t speak for other vehicles but certainly our present EV uses no where near those suggested numbers. Typically AC draws around an additional KW plus or minus. Think of a small 5000 btu Home Depot air conditioner mounted in a small space like a car. It doesn’t take long to turn it into a meat locker. If you are stuck in traffic for 8 hours and wanting to keep cool an EV is a great place to be. You might use 10 percent of an 80 KWh battery. Really, running AC is not a big deal. The car figures it out and calculates your required charging stop and location accordingly. Cold? It depends. If your EV has a heat pump it’s not too bad down to a certain point before resistance heat kicks in. If you have an older EV that only had resistance heat you can lose a third or more of your range. Either way, the car figures it out and calculates your charging stop and location accordingly. Of course, as always, analyze your own needs and see if it’s right for you. For our needs and performance expectation gas vehicles have lots of disadvantages and no advantages so it’s an easy decision. But others with different needs and expectations may be better suited to gas vehicles. Can’t speak to towing as we have no experience towing with an EV. I’m not sure if the OP was planning on towing to his sons house, although I didn’t get that impression. Cheers.
Reisender 06/29/21 07:08pm Tow Vehicles
RE: New F-150 Electric P/U

Going back to the OP's comment. He would not have enough range to go to son's house. When there, he would be stuck with trying to charge using a standard 15 amp outlet, which will take DAYS to charge for MOST of the return trip. Or, just stop in at a public charger for 15 or 20 minutes and spend 8 or 10 bucks. It depends on ones schedule I suppose. IF one is close by and available. Yes that’s true. That depends on infrastructure. In our province DC fast chargers are pretty much ubiquitous and more everyday. But every region is different of course. Always best to analyze your personal situation.
Reisender 06/29/21 06:16pm Tow Vehicles
RE: New F-150 Electric P/U

Going back to the OP's comment. He would not have enough range to go to son's house. When there, he would be stuck with trying to charge using a standard 15 amp outlet, which will take DAYS to charge for MOST of the return trip. Or, just stop in at a public charger for 15 or 20 minutes and spend 8 or 10 bucks. It depends on ones schedule I suppose.
Reisender 06/29/21 06:11pm Tow Vehicles
RE: New F-150 Electric P/U

Oh thats right, thats with the extra charging system installed. Assuming who you are visiting has installed one. If you simply plug it into a standard wall outlet, nobody had to spend hundreds to add, then it"s how long? You are correct. Although it’s not an extra charging system. It is a stove plug. If you are plugging into a friends 15 amp garage plug you should expect a long and slow charge. Depending on your battery size it could be days...literally. My recommendation in that case is to spend 15 or 20 minutes at a public charger before pulling into your friends driveway and then just topping up on his 15 amp garage circuit. Its probably the polite thing to do anyway. When our commute was consistently only about 50 km we actually used our soffit Christmas light plug for daily charging. Worked great until my commute became irregular and sometimes longer. That's when we put in the 240 volt plug. Here's a pic of the old car. I wouldn't recommend this as a regular way to charge unless your daily commute is consistently 80 kilometers or shorter. Of course there is zero cost for this approach as the car (or truck) comes with everything you need. https://live.staticflickr.com/804/40237191974_33cb5e94d7_c.jpg Cheers.
Reisender 06/29/21 06:10pm Tow Vehicles
RE: New F-150 Electric P/U

Figured I would include a picture as it helps with context. Although this is a Tesla EVSE any manufacturers EVSE is pretty much the same and all interchangeable as they all use the same format. The EVSE connects the house power to the Electric Vehicles built in charger in a safe and monitored way. It is essentially an extension cord with certain safety protocols and relays. The lower part with the lights is the EVSE, the upper part is just a place to coil the cord neatly. Its a piece of plastic. Notice it is plugged into a short 50 amp RV extension cord as the stove plug was in an opportune spot for this car. https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50733459198_3f97c4b487_c.jpg If one doesn't want to use the unit that came with the car (truck) then one can order an aftermarket unit for a few hundred bucks and hard wire it. This is our outside unit. This one is slower as out house only has 100 amp service and the electrician had to set it to a lower current. Still handy as we often use our garage for projects and can't always charge in there. https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/48734288057_07017cc09a_c.jpg Hope that helps.
Reisender 06/29/21 05:59pm Tow Vehicles
RE: New F-150 Electric P/U

Well, I didn't fill in all the info. We don't own any type of unit currently, maybe in the future. My daily driver is a F250 Super Duty, CC, V-10, 2WD. I am planning on downsizing in the near future. DW daily is a Buick Encore. We like to make trips in the truck, car is a little small. We make the Texas trip every two or three months, to see the grands. First question, when are all these charging stations going to be installed, who is paying for the stations, how much will a charge cost. We all know the power grids in Texas are about maxed out, how much is a home charger installed cost? I don't see a electric truck in my future.... Son does not have a charger at his home either, you think he might install one for me. Howdy. I can only help with the last two questions re chargers at your home or your sons. All EV’s come with built in level 2 chargers as well as the EVSE that connects to the homes power source. The expense comes in adding the stove plug (14-50 receptacle same as found in RV parks) in your sons or your garage. In our case it was 350 bucks. But every house is different. Depends a lot where your panel is. This typically allows for a full charge overnight. Hope that helps. Finish it out Reis,,,,,, Or that level 2 charger that comes with the vehicle will charge you up, in somewhere between 2 and 9 days depending on how big your truck battery is. No. Let’s assume a 150 kWh battery and then extrapolate from there depending on your expectation of battery size. Using the built in charger and supplied EVSE at a conservative 8 KW setting. Assuming you arrive with 20 percent (most people don’t run their “tanks” dry) you would expect to see a 17 hour charge using a standard stove plug and running it at a conservative 32 amps. If you wanted to spring for an aftermarket EVSE that supports 48 amps on a dedicated hardwire 60 amp circuit then you would be looking at 12 hours. But most of us are cheap and just use the unit that comes with the EV so say 17 hours. Cars are about half of that as the battery is half the size. That would be our case. We only use about 8 kWh a day but our commute is only 50 kilometres. The car typically starts to charge at 2 in the morning and is done by three.
Reisender 06/29/21 05:47pm Tow Vehicles
RE: New F-150 Electric P/U

Well, I didn't fill in all the info. We don't own any type of unit currently, maybe in the future. My daily driver is a F250 Super Duty, CC, V-10, 2WD. I am planning on downsizing in the near future. DW daily is a Buick Encore. We like to make trips in the truck, car is a little small. We make the Texas trip every two or three months, to see the grands. First question, when are all these charging stations going to be installed, who is paying for the stations, how much will a charge cost. We all know the power grids in Texas are about maxed out, how much is a home charger installed cost? I don't see a electric truck in my future.... Son does not have a charger at his home either, you think he might install one for me. Howdy. I can only help with the last two questions re chargers at your home or your sons. All EV’s come with built in level 2 chargers as well as the EVSE that connects to the homes power source. The expense comes in adding the stove plug (14-50 receptacle same as found in RV parks) in your sons or your garage. In our case it was 350 bucks. But every house is different. Depends a lot where your panel is. This typically allows for a full charge overnight. Hope that helps.
Reisender 06/29/21 05:10pm Tow Vehicles
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