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RE: Tesla Semi truck unveil & test ride set for Oct 26th !

Just a question: If the $35,000 model was so unpopular and nobody wanted a "plain jane Tesla", why did reservations go through the roof when the $35,000 model 3 was announced? "...in March 2016, Tesla promised that it would start at $35,000. It built up a preorder list of over 400,000 customers based, at least in part, on that promise." So nobody wanted a "plain jane Tesla", huh? Just trying to keep the truth out there. If Ford opened up reservations for next years F150 would you assume that everyone wanted an XL? Since you are not going to buy a Tesla anyway and you probably don't know anyone that is concerned about it why do you concern yourself with it? Not sure if this is a fair comparison. As far as I know (and I could be wrong) the only or primary difference is the battery range/number of motors. So the question is how many would order the Lariat with the base engine to save $10k. I bet you that would be a significant number. I don't blame Tesla for selling the models they don't lose money on. But I think there is a fallacy in the concept that demand is low for the base Model 3. I would venture they would sell every single one if readily offered without jumping through hoops. What hoops. It’s a phone call. We have one about two blocks away. Talking to the guy, he bought it as commuter to replace his 2011 leaf. Didn’t want anything fancy but wanted Supercharger access in case he went to Vancouver. Easy peazy.
Reisender 01/28/20 11:12am Tow Vehicles
RE: Tesla Semi truck unveil & test ride set for Oct 26th !

Just a question: If the $35,000 model was so unpopular and nobody wanted a "plain jane Tesla", why did reservations go through the roof when the $35,000 model 3 was announced? "...in March 2016, Tesla promised that it would start at $35,000. It built up a preorder list of over 400,000 customers based, at least in part, on that promise." So nobody wanted a "plain jane Tesla", huh? Just trying to keep the truth out there. My personal opinion is they made an option package for 4500 dollars more that was just to good to give up. People saw the value in the extra range, power, and amenities that when the time came to configure most stepped up to the SR plus and mid range for 5000 to 10,000 more. Neither of those models were available when reservations started. JMHO
Reisender 01/28/20 07:49am Tow Vehicles
RE: Tesla Semi truck unveil & test ride set for Oct 26th !

Say what you want, BUT..... IIRC, when the 3 was introduced, the 35K price point was the big deal. When you fail to bring to market the main selling point for 3 years, after taking thousands of deposits....... You failed. plain and simple. I disagree. 1. It was under two years before the 35000 variant was offered. 2. The responsibility to share holders takes precedent. Selling 65000 variants was much more profitable. 3. The 35000 variant ieven now is generally unpopular as as it is with any base model vehicle. It would make no sense to concentrate on those sales.
Reisender 01/28/20 06:17am Tow Vehicles
RE: Tesla Semi truck unveil & test ride set for Oct 26th !

What kind of documentation costs $1200? No idea. I think the line entry says something like destination and documentation fee. I still font know what that means. Bottom line is it’s 36300 plus tax if applicable. On our Nissan it was called freight and pdi and was more than that. Ugh. But... but... it's Tesla, so it must be evil. Even if other car companies charge more, documentation, freight, inspection, cleaning, etc., etc. I hear ya. For many Tesla is a four letter word....until they drive one. Too funny. :). The whole doc, shipping, pdi thing never bothered me. They can do their accounting however they want. The final number is the only thing you have to be happy with. We change out vehicles every 5 or 6 years. Sometimes we trade sometimes we don’t but it seems those extra fees are a constant. Meh. If it is a charge applied by the factory, that is part of the price as far as I am concerned. I think Tesla has done some great things and because of what they have done to advance EV's, hope they continue to do well because they put pressure on other manufacturers to do better. I just like my Kool Aid with a little less sugar. I hear ya. :).
Reisender 01/27/20 06:06pm Tow Vehicles
RE: Tesla Semi truck unveil & test ride set for Oct 26th !

What kind of documentation costs $1200? No idea. I think the line entry says something like destination and documentation fee. I still font know what that means. Bottom line is it’s 36300 plus tax if applicable. On our Nissan it was called freight and pdi and was more than that. Ugh. But... but... it's Tesla, so it must be evil. Even if other car companies charge more, documentation, freight, inspection, cleaning, etc., etc. I hear ya. For many Tesla is a four letter word....until they drive one. Too funny. :). The whole doc, shipping, pdi thing never bothered me. They can do their accounting however they want. The final number is the only thing you have to be happy with. We change out vehicles every 5 or 6 years. Sometimes we trade sometimes we don’t but it seems those extra fees are a constant. Meh.
Reisender 01/27/20 03:58pm Tow Vehicles
RE: Tesla Semi truck unveil & test ride set for Oct 26th !

"When the Model 3 was finally unveiled 10 years later, in March 2016, Tesla promised that it would start at $35,000." Didn't happen. What are you talking about it did not happen?:S:h It's even happening right this very moment. I just been to my Tesla website and the standard Model 3 is still at $35,690.Geeze, are you dense, or just being obtuse on purpose? IT DID NOT HAPPEN! It was promised to be priced at $35,000 when the model debuted. IT DID NOT HAPPEN! You could not buy one for $35,000 until 3 years later. Yes, you can buy them now for $35,000 but you couldn't buy one at the promised price when the first came on the market. Which is my whole point. And even your post shows that it isn't available at $35,000, it's over $35,000. Now I'm done with you with this topic. Well, technically it’s 35000 plus 1200 documentation and 100 special order. Although it may have happened I don’t ever remember seeing a promise of 35000...or a promised date. Sure it wasn’t a forecasted or targeted price? $1200 for "documentation"? Ya right, the price is 36,200. Nope. In the US the bill is broken down as 35000 for the car, 1200 for documentation etc and 100 for special order. In Canada prices are inclusive of all fees. What kind of documentation costs $1200? No idea. I think the line entry says something like destination and documentation fee. I still font know what that means. Bottom line is it’s 36300 plus tax if applicable. On our Nissan it was called freight and pdi and was more than that. Ugh.
Reisender 01/27/20 02:42pm Tow Vehicles
RE: Tesla Semi truck unveil & test ride set for Oct 26th !

Well, technically it’s 35000 plus 1200 documentation and 100 special order. Although it may have happened I don’t ever remember seeing a promise of 35000...or a promised date. Sure it wasn’t a forecasted or targeted price?The Verge, dated March 31,2016: "At the unveiling of the Model 3 this evening at the company's design studio in Hawthorne, California, Tesla CEO Elon Musk said the car will deliver at least 215 miles of range beginning at just $35,000" "Musk is "fairly confident" that deliveries will begin by the end of 2017," There ya go. Yah I remember that. I was fairly certain no promises were made.
Reisender 01/27/20 01:40pm Tow Vehicles
RE: Tesla Semi truck unveil & test ride set for Oct 26th !

"When the Model 3 was finally unveiled 10 years later, in March 2016, Tesla promised that it would start at $35,000." Didn't happen. What are you talking about it did not happen?:S:h It's even happening right this very moment. I just been to my Tesla website and the standard Model 3 is still at $35,690.Geeze, are you dense, or just being obtuse on purpose? IT DID NOT HAPPEN! It was promised to be priced at $35,000 when the model debuted. IT DID NOT HAPPEN! You could not buy one for $35,000 until 3 years later. Yes, you can buy them now for $35,000 but you couldn't buy one at the promised price when the first came on the market. Which is my whole point. And even your post shows that it isn't available at $35,000, it's over $35,000. Now I'm done with you with this topic. Well, technically it’s 35000 plus 1200 documentation and 100 special order. Although it may have happened I don’t ever remember seeing a promise of 35000...or a promised date. Sure it wasn’t a forecasted or targeted price? $1200 for "documentation"? Ya right, the price is 36,200. Nope. In the US the bill is broken down as 35000 for the car, 1200 for documentation etc and 100 for special order. In Canada prices are inclusive of all fees.
Reisender 01/27/20 12:59pm Tow Vehicles
RE: Tesla Semi truck unveil & test ride set for Oct 26th !

"When the Model 3 was finally unveiled 10 years later, in March 2016, Tesla promised that it would start at $35,000." Didn't happen. What are you talking about it did not happen?:S:h It's even happening right this very moment. I just been to my Tesla website and the standard Model 3 is still at $35,690.Geeze, are you dense, or just being obtuse on purpose? IT DID NOT HAPPEN! It was promised to be priced at $35,000 when the model debuted. IT DID NOT HAPPEN! You could not buy one for $35,000 until 3 years later. Yes, you can buy them now for $35,000 but you couldn't buy one at the promised price when the first came on the market. Which is my whole point. And even your post shows that it isn't available at $35,000, it's over $35,000. Now I'm done with you with this topic. Well, technically it’s 35000 plus 1200 documentation and 100 special order. Although it may have happened I don’t ever remember seeing a promise of 35000...or a promised date. Sure it wasn’t a forecasted or targeted price?
Reisender 01/27/20 12:09pm Tow Vehicles
RE: Tesla Semi truck unveil & test ride set for Oct 26th !

"When the Model 3 was finally unveiled 10 years later, in March 2016, Tesla promised that it would start at $35,000." Didn't happen. What are you talking about it did not happen?:S:h It's even happening right this very moment. I just been to my Tesla website and the standard Model 3 is still at $35,690. Promise is kind of the wrong word to use for manufacturers. Forecast, anticipate, target, but not promise. Personally I have never seen Tesla promise anything. Anyway, the fact that the base model SR is still 35000 in 2020 is kind of amazing.
Reisender 01/27/20 11:05am Tow Vehicles
RE: Tesla Semi truck unveil & test ride set for Oct 26th !

Tesla has track records of meeting the prices they promised customers. Not with stock vehicles they don't. You can buy a Tacan today. They didn't meet the prices they promised with the Model 3, although they probably aren't over priced. What price did they promise for a base model 3 SR? Currently cheapest Tesla available is 35000 plus 1200 destination and documentation fees plus 100 special order fee. So 36300 The 3 SR is only available by special order, you can't buy it online like other Teslas. Meaning they don't want to sell any. My guess is they lose money on every one just so they can say a $35k model is available. The least expensive 3 you can buy online is $41,100. Yah I suppose. But people get them all the time. There’s an ongoing thread on TMC. No idea on the economics. To me it looks like spending the extra 4 grand is well worth it for the SR plus.
Reisender 01/26/20 06:32pm Tow Vehicles
RE: Tesla Semi truck unveil & test ride set for Oct 26th !

Tesla has track records of meeting the prices they promised customers. Not with stock vehicles they don't. You can buy a Tacan today. They didn't meet the prices they promised with the Model 3, although they probably aren't over priced. What price did they promise for a base model 3 SR? Currently cheapest Tesla available is 35000 plus 1200 destination and documentation fees plus 100 special order fee. So 36300
Reisender 01/26/20 06:02pm Tow Vehicles
RE: Tesla Semi truck unveil & test ride set for Oct 26th !

I think it’s a two seater so probably gain a little room there. I haven’t heard what the timeline is. My guess is there priorities are resupplying Europe with model 3’s and then the model Y production. Lots of rumours on when that starts. We know a couple folks waiting for theirs. Waiting list back up to 9 weeks in Canada for a model 3. I think it’s a bit of a balancing act dispersing the cars to the various markets. So more than the Tacan which starts at $104K for the 4S, $!50K for the Turbo and $185K for the Turbo S. Yah looks like it. Probably a slightly different market though. I think the Tacan is kind of a two plus two configuration so it would work with a small family. The Tesla range will be double the Taycans though from what I read so there will be people who put a price on that. Acceleration sub 2 seconds zero to sixty nuts. I get nauseos in a P100D at 2.3 seconds. Ugh.
Reisender 01/26/20 01:55pm Tow Vehicles
RE: Tesla Semi truck unveil & test ride set for Oct 26th !

I think it’s a two seater so probably gain a little room there. I haven’t heard what the timeline is. My guess is there priorities are resupplying Europe with model 3’s and then the model Y production. Lots of rumours on when that starts. We know a couple folks waiting for theirs. Waiting list back up to 9 weeks in Canada for a model 3. I think it’s a bit of a balancing act dispersing the cars to the various markets.
Reisender 01/26/20 01:22pm Tow Vehicles
RE: Tesla Semi truck unveil & test ride set for Oct 26th !

I would rather get the much faster Tesla Roadster with 620 mile range than the Taycan with ugly wheels. https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49444552423_95b95f265d_z.jpg https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49444515348_2a0ae5cfa7_z.jpg https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49445058206_50a3f6c9be_z.jpg It is a Brute. And love that colour. But I’m guessing north of 200,000 grand. :).
Reisender 01/26/20 10:50am Tow Vehicles
RE: Tesla Semi truck unveil & test ride set for Oct 26th !

I saw my first Taycan on the freeway the other day. Really good looking car. Model S shows it’s age in comparison. On the Taycan forum a buyer stated they have already updated software to allow Turbo model to go up to 255 mi range. They talked about a range mode that give full acceleration up to 70 mph then it stops. Since Porsche doubled the first production run to 40k cars it seems they have a hit on their hands. Fairly certain we saw one in SoCal recently. Sharp looking car. The next year will see some updates. Definetly a market.
Reisender 01/25/20 06:40pm Tow Vehicles
RE: Tesla Semi truck unveil & test ride set for Oct 26th !

Plaid production model is expected to be released in July or August. They’ll be some distinct but minor body changes as well. Going to be more expensive to. I’m willing to bet Porshe will release a new Taycan about the same time. Probably with a little more range for more appeal in North America.
Reisender 01/25/20 04:36pm Tow Vehicles
RE: Tesla Semi truck unveil & test ride set for Oct 26th !

Taycan Super Bowl commercial. Kinda cool. Now if they can just get it to catch the model S. Just ribbin. Cool car. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=537EwXTdipM Seems to me a marketing faux pas unless they are targeting the brand faithful. It's also counter-intuitive. Premium priced performance cars are bought for performance and it should at least match and better if it exceeds something already out there. There is more to performance than just going fast in a straight line. The Model S is noted for having to reduce power because of battery over temping when driven flat out for any length of time. I bet the Porsche dosen’t. No it’s not. You are referring to the model P85 and P100. The model P100D plaid has never given those indications.
Reisender 01/25/20 03:32pm Tow Vehicles
RE: Tesla Semi truck unveil & test ride set for Oct 26th !

Taycan Super Bowl commercial. Kinda cool. Now if they can just get it to catch the model S. Just ribbin. Cool car. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=537EwXTdipM Seems to me a marketing faux pas unless they are targeting the brand faithful. It's also counter-intuitive. Premium priced performance cars are bought for performance and it should at least match and better if it exceeds something already out there. It’s a start and it’s more than most manufacturers are doing. I think it will be a contender in the future once they get the efficiency and range issues sorted out. It’s a sports car so the target audience will be a little more forgiving of those two issues. Tesla model P100D is still a 5 passenger luxury sedan with 600 km range built for long road trips. Tesla customers are expecting higher efficiency and range...which they get. Each have their own market. Porsche is around 50 grand more though. Even so my guess is they’ll sell lots. JMHO
Reisender 01/25/20 12:34pm Tow Vehicles
RE: Tesla Semi truck unveil & test ride set for Oct 26th !

Taycan Super Bowl commercial. Kinda cool. Now if they can just get it to catch the model S. Just ribbin. Cool car. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=537EwXTdipM
Reisender 01/25/20 11:11am Tow Vehicles
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