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RE: 1/2 ton or 3/4 ton

An HD truck in OP's scenario is a no brainer. It's literally more truck for the same money, and it not only works better for the current trailer but also allows for more flexibility moving forward - and the compromises in moving from a 1/2 ton to a SRW HD are minimal. I think the compromises involved in moving from a SRW HD to a dually are much more significant. I wouldn't say it is a no brainer. Everyone has a list of priority items. If a 1/2 ton that falls into the category of towing trailer and meets the other criteria better than a larger truck why should they make a purchase that falls short in the other areas. And I don't subscribe to the mantra here to over purchase as you may upgrade later. If that is the case everyone would purchase a 4+ bedroom home as their first house because who knows if you will have kids or the parents/in-laws need to move in later. And switching trucks is surely easier than switching houses.Houses appreciate. Trucks depreciate. Big difference. While this is true, unless you paid cash, you are still likely to loose your anus because you are paying nothing but interest for the first 10 years which puts you in the negative in the grand scheme of things.That would only be true, if you had a free place to live for those 10 years. For us mortals, a house payment took/takes the place of a rent payment. Same goes with a truck payment unless you get that for free.I am about to buy my 5th truck. None of them had payments.... Point is, it is possible for many to get in that position, if they manage their finances early on. It is MUCH more difficult to do this with a house. At any rate, if you make payments on both a house and a truck, you will pay interest on each. The house payment is a better financial move. Houses generally increase in value. Trucks generally decrease. The house I am in now has more than quadrupled, since 1991 when I bought it. For most of that time, the payments were less than rent. That makes the interest I paid a moot point. That is what apreciation does If I were to have made truck payments on 5 trucks over that same time period.... I would not have much to show for it. In fact for much of that time, I would likely have been upside down. That is what depreciation does I am talking short term. On a $200k financed home with a 5% interest(which is a good rate and the average was 9% in 1991), you will pay $99k in interest in 10 years of ownership on top of tens of thousands in taxes that you wouldn't pay if you rent. With inflation over the course of 10 years it will be much higher. Over the total course of the 30 year loan you will pay over $186K in interest. Again, it will be much higher in 30 years when accounting for inflation. With inflation, $100k in 1991 is equivalent to $188k now so much of your home value did not necessarily go up. It is just a dollar is worth less now. So if you calculate for inflation, taxes paid, and interest paid, your home value would have to quadruple at the end of the 30 year note just for you to break even. So if you financed a $100k house in 1991 at the average 9% interest, you would have paid $189k in interest. Add that to the $100k you paid and you get $289k total not including taxes. With inflation, that is the equivalent of $544k from 1991 to now. So even quadrupling the houses value will still not put you ahead.
ShinerBock 10/23/19 08:40pm Tow Vehicles
RE: 1/2 ton or 3/4 ton

An HD truck in OP's scenario is a no brainer. It's literally more truck for the same money, and it not only works better for the current trailer but also allows for more flexibility moving forward - and the compromises in moving from a 1/2 ton to a SRW HD are minimal. I think the compromises involved in moving from a SRW HD to a dually are much more significant. I wouldn't say it is a no brainer. Everyone has a list of priority items. If a 1/2 ton that falls into the category of towing trailer and meets the other criteria better than a larger truck why should they make a purchase that falls short in the other areas. And I don't subscribe to the mantra here to over purchase as you may upgrade later. If that is the case everyone would purchase a 4+ bedroom home as their first house because who knows if you will have kids or the parents/in-laws need to move in later. And switching trucks is surely easier than switching houses.Houses appreciate. Trucks depreciate. Big difference. While this is true, unless you paid cash, you are still likely to loose your anus because you are paying nothing but interest for the first 10 years which puts you in the negative in the grand scheme of things.That would only be true, if you had a free place to live for those 10 years. For us mortals, a house payment took/takes the place of a rent payment. Same goes with a truck payment unless you get that for free.
ShinerBock 10/23/19 06:28pm Tow Vehicles
RE: 1/2 ton or 3/4 ton

An HD truck in OP's scenario is a no brainer. It's literally more truck for the same money, and it not only works better for the current trailer but also allows for more flexibility moving forward - and the compromises in moving from a 1/2 ton to a SRW HD are minimal. I think the compromises involved in moving from a SRW HD to a dually are much more significant. I wouldn't say it is a no brainer. Everyone has a list of priority items. If a 1/2 ton that falls into the category of towing trailer and meets the other criteria better than a larger truck why should they make a purchase that falls short in the other areas. And I don't subscribe to the mantra here to over purchase as you may upgrade later. If that is the case everyone would purchase a 4+ bedroom home as their first house because who knows if you will have kids or the parents/in-laws need to move in later. And switching trucks is surely easier than switching houses.Houses appreciate. Trucks depreciate. Big difference. While this is true, unless you paid cash, you are still likely to loose your anus because you are paying nothing but interest for the first 10 years which puts you in the negative in the grand scheme of things.
ShinerBock 10/23/19 05:16pm Tow Vehicles
RE: 1/2 ton or 3/4 ton

Here is my total cost analysis based on a Ram. It will be different for you depending on many things such as PM intervals/cost between the two, fuel prices in your region, interest rates, re-sale values and so on. https://i.postimg.cc/4NM2G2wL/5-7-vs-6-4-vs-6-7-2.png height=750 width=650
ShinerBock 10/23/19 02:48pm Tow Vehicles
RE: 1/2 ton or 3/4 ton

I think the worst part about 3/4 tons are the gas engine options. I know why Ford would never put a 3.5L EB in a 3/4 ton truck, but I would love to have one if I only towed 11k a few times a year. That was the reason I went with the F150 HD over a 3/4 ton with my last truck. I would still be driving it if the wife didn't want a 14k RV.
ShinerBock 10/23/19 07:56am Tow Vehicles
RE: 1/2 ton or 3/4 ton

1/2 ton and 7500# yea it will work......in the low country. If you intend to do any kind of mts you will need a 3/4. You wanna be comfortable or on the edge of your seat all the time. Do you want to pass a very slow moving semi or play follow the leader? The choice is yours. I was the same with my old 99 DRW. That thing would get stuck in wet grass at the farm even with a Torsen diff I installed. I also hated driving it in the city. Eventually sold it for a SRW and promised myself that I would never got to DRW again. Luckily, SRW 3500 and 2500's today can the same if not more capabilities of DRW trucks back then.
ShinerBock 10/23/19 07:02am Tow Vehicles
RE: 1/2 ton or 3/4 ton

I wonder how many times we are going to hear "You can never have too much truck" or "I never heard someone complain that they had too much truck"....
ShinerBock 10/22/19 12:44pm Tow Vehicles
RE: Air bags or "Bump Stop" type suspension

At stock height, I never needed any kind of suspension aids to keep my 2014 2500 CTD from squatting. My 14k 5ver made it perfectly level. After I leveled the front end, I still didn't need it for most of my trailers like my 6k cattle trailer, but the 5ver made it squat. I didn't want to go with Timbrens because they have made the rider harsher on past vehicles. I didn't want to go with air backs because I use this truck off road and I didn't want anything I had to maintain. I went with Sumosprings Rebels "blue" kit with a 1 inch spacer. They are a two piece design that separate when my axle is articulated off road, and they make for a much softer rife than Timbrens. They actually made the ride softer than stock and the truck sits level again with my 5ver. They make a "black" kit that has a higher load rating, but also is a much stiffer ride. In my opinion, they are not needed for most people here unless you have a trailer hooked up 24/7. This kit is equal to Timbrens in regards to stiffness. Here is an article about them in Trailerlife.com. SumoSprings Rebel: Bumpy Road Equalizer
ShinerBock 10/22/19 07:09am Tow Vehicles
RE: 2020 GM/Chevy gas 6.6L max towing test

I wonder if it fails to downshift because at that altitude the engine doesn’t generate enough torque for the transmission to sense a downshift point I wonder if sensors saw high temperatures after miles of full throttle and dialed back the power to save the engine or transmission. In this video and the 2017 gasser video they mention all temps were in spec. But that is just it. It could have defueled or cut power to keep the temps within spec. Diesel do the same thing. The Ram 6.4L did it as well the last Ike run they had. This 6.6L could have forced the truck into lower rpms to keep the temps at safe levels. Right, but that is not a parameter in the transmission field. There are something close to 450 parameters for the 6L80E/6L90E. For the 6L80E and 6L90E time and pressure are the tow big ones. I will hook up the Laptop next time I tow and see. I don't remember reading about or being able to mess defueling in the program. I have HP Tuners. That thing is great if you understand it. It has really woke the Caprice up with the cam swap. I don't plan on messing with the truck at all. It is a great diagnostic tool too. Like I know guys who remove torque management. Not really worth it to me, I don't feel like rebuilding the 6L80E in the Caprice every other season. You may not be able to all perimeters depending on the software or tuning tool you are using. I know I can see more perimeters with my EFI Live software than I can with my MM3. EFI Live is by far the best when it comes to how many parameters it can view/alter especially when it comes to GM vehicles.
ShinerBock 10/21/19 09:21am Tow Vehicles
RE: 2020 GM/Chevy gas 6.6L max towing test

I wonder if it fails to downshift because at that altitude the engine doesn’t generate enough torque for the transmission to sense a downshift point I wonder if sensors saw high temperatures after miles of full throttle and dialed back the power to save the engine or transmission. In this video and the 2017 gasser video they mention all temps were in spec. But that is just it. It could have defueled or cut power to keep the temps within spec. Diesel do the same thing. The Ram 6.4L did it as well the last Ike run they had. This 6.6L could have forced the truck into lower rpms to keep the temps at safe levels.
ShinerBock 10/21/19 08:46am Tow Vehicles
RE: 2020 GM/Chevy gas 6.6L max towing test

The current CP4.2 is not the same as the old one that was notorious for failing on the 2011-2015 Ford and GM trucks. There is a different cam profile among other things and the max pressure was raised from 29k to 39k psi. I believe the new Cummins is only pushing out 29k psi which plays a huge role in the pumps longevity and reliability since it is not utilizing the pump to its max capacity like Ford and GM were with the old CP4.2. The new 2020 PSD is utilizing 36k psi from the new CP4.2.
ShinerBock 10/19/19 12:25pm Tow Vehicles
RE: 2020 GM/Chevy gas 6.6L max towing test

There should be a caveat with N/A gaser tow ratings such as you loose X pounds of rating every Y feet above elevation instead of just saying it can tow 16,000 lbs. Unless doing 25 mph at 5,000 rpm without any power to pass is your idea of towing. At the end of the test they were going 2600 RPM at 25 mph. Truck wouldn't downshift. I wonder what would have been different if they put it in manual. To be honest I never put mine in manual, but I have not towed the IKE. They were screaming at 5,000 rpm most of the way when they were taking the noise measurement and they lost speed when it up-shifted until they got too low and it downshifted to high rpms again. In order to maintain a decent speed, it would have needed to be in the upper 5,000 rpm. That is not my idea of towing. GM should decrease the tow ratings for that altitude. It was and 5000 RPM is fine for a gasser. That is what they are designed to do. I know some people are uncomfortable with that. The problem is the further they went the lower rpms went and by the time they hit the top they were at 2600 rpm. I don't know why it wouldn't down shift. In manual you could have. I don't know what algorithm GM is using for down shifting. Thing also needs 4.10s. I am sure the engine is fine revving at 5k as long as the oil cooler and radiator can keep up that much of a sustained load/heat(some modern gasers can't). I just don't want to hear it. I had to in my 4.6L and it was teeth chattering to hear it scream up and down the hills for 150 miles. Although if you are revving that high for such long periods of time on a regular basis then I would do the severe duty cycle in preventative maintenance. I would have put it in manual and forced a downshift, and yes it needs 4:10's and a 10 speed.
ShinerBock 10/18/19 01:14pm Tow Vehicles
RE: 2020 GM/Chevy gas 6.6L max towing test

There should be a caveat with N/A gaser tow ratings such as you loose X pounds of rating every Y feet above elevation instead of just saying it can tow 16,000 lbs. Unless doing 25 mph at 5,000 rpm without any power to pass is your idea of towing. At the end of the test they were going 2600 RPM at 25 mph. Truck wouldn't downshift. I wonder what would have been different if they put it in manual. To be honest I never put mine in manual, but I have not towed the IKE. They were screaming at 5,000 rpm most of the way when they were taking the noise measurement and they lost speed when it up-shifted until they got too low and it downshifted to high rpms again. In order to maintain a decent speed, it would have needed to be in the upper 5,000 rpm. That is not my idea of towing. GM should decrease the tow ratings for that altitude.
ShinerBock 10/18/19 12:39pm Tow Vehicles
RE: 2020 GM/Chevy gas 6.6L max towing test

There should be a caveat with N/A gaser tow ratings such as you loose X pounds of rating every Y feet above elevation instead of just saying it can tow 16,000 lbs. Unless doing 25 mph at 5,000 rpm without any power to pass is your idea of towing.
ShinerBock 10/18/19 12:11pm Tow Vehicles
RE: 2020 GM/Chevy gas 6.6L max towing test

When I ditched diesel and bought a 6.4L Hemi, cost was only one thing I considered. The reliability of diesels at the time was suspect (2013 ish), and the DPF/DEF issue was something I didn't want to deal with. Most around here with trucks of that vintage have removed the emissions junk now as they tend to be troublesome when mileage creeps up, and since we don't have mandatory emissions testing. I had about a 10 mile commute at the time, and neither of my diesels ever got to operating temp in 10 miles at -25 to -30*C or colder, even when the grill was completely blocked and they had been plugged in, inside a garage before starting. I froze every day driving to work. My use case would have killed a DPF equipped truck. I also only towed (actually had the trailer behind the truck) for 5-7 days a YEAR. Yes, we took 3 week vacations, but that was usually 2-3 days total towing. Some trips were less than a day. The 6.4L Hemi towed my 12k 5er with no issue at all. The mpg was about 30% less than the diesel it replaced, but unleaded is, and was cheaper than diesel fuel where I live (Canada). The premium for a diesel over a gas truck in Canada is closer to 12K, not 9K. I was very happy with the big gasser I had. Now, if towing performance is the only data point you look at to compare trucks, the diesel will win every time, as they out perform the gassers when it comes to towing power. That is a fact. For me though, that was NOT the primary consideration. I was evaluating the truck based on the other 360 days of the year when I used it for personal use, and for that, the gasser won hands down. These are all valid points as to why one would consider a gas truck over a diesel. I agree that there are many things to consider when buying a tow vehicle and everyone has different circumstances. However, it is still plain false that a diesel costs ten to fifteen thousand more in the long run when all things are considers as was previously stated. If one actually does the math, the difference is very minimal and I would wager that it is greater than the the total cost difference a 6.4L owner paid over a 5.7L HD owner. To your point looking at the big picture, you can't just look at upfront cost(like non diesel owners do) when calculating total cost. Most "assume" that it will cost them more for a diesel even though they don't even tow, but the they have never actually done the numbers to verify. To a diesel owners point, you are basically getting added performance and more capability for free or next to nothing over the ownership of the vehicle. That is something you can't do with higher performance engine options in light duty pickups or sports cars because nine times out of ten the higher performance engine uses considerably more fuel making the cost higher in the long run. Heck even if it cost you an extra $1,000 over the course of 100k miles, that is less that what a 6.4L owners paid over the 5.7L and you are getting a lot more performance from the diesel than a 6.4L owner does over a 5.7L.
ShinerBock 10/18/19 06:49am Tow Vehicles
RE: 2020 GM/Chevy gas 6.6L max towing test

I can't believe people stressing over 3 and a half minutes. I towed all over with an 89 1 ton Big Block Chevy TBI for years and at times was down to 12mph. We are talking the IKE. For someone like me who tows 7500 to 8000 lbs 15 to 20 times year and won't daily drive a truck this thing would work just fine. 10,000 to 15,000 dollars is not worth 3 and a half minutes to me. Lets be realistic, anyone who tows 16,000 lbs up and down the IKE on the regular is not buying a gasser anyway. It is not just about 3 and half minutes. That was just one up hill section of many of having to hear an engine whine at 5k which gets tiring. It is also about having the power to spare when you need to pass. I used to think the same way you did until my old 4.6L F150. It was "just enough" until I was stuck behind a semi truck for what seemed like forever on a two lane road doing less than 45 mph because I did not have power to pass him when a passing lane opened. I would rather arrive at camp refreshed than with my nerves shot. Also, a diesel does not cost $15k so I am not sure where you are getting that number from. If you count the fuel savings and resale/trade-in value, the difference is less than a few grand and in some cases like mine it is in the diesel's favor. If I traded my truck in today going by local trade-in value, the 6.4L gas version my truck would have cost me over $500 more accounting for fuel cost, preventative maintenance cost, taxes, interest, registration, and resale/trade-in value. My truck would be more expensive than the 5.7L version by a grand. Certainly is 10 to 15000 dollars more here in Washington state. Place I picked up my truck had two new trucks on the lot. One diesel one gasser, same options 12,000 dollars difference. You might not like the sound of 5k doesn't mean it isn't doing what it is supposed to. Again. Right tool for the job, you don't need diesel to lug around 7000 to 10000lbs, 16000 sure. Like I said if you are running the Ike everyday or daily driving you will want the diesel. No one in there right mind is going to buy a gasser to pull 16,000lbs regularly. Yeah, but calculate total cost of ownership with a release/trade-in value at the end of 100k or 150k like I did below. You will find that even if you don't tow at all, the difference in cost is nowhere near that. https://i.postimg.cc/4NM2G2wL/5-7-vs-6-4-vs-6-7-2.png height=650 width=550 I'm interested in your truck prices, oil changes, fuel filter changes and various other fixes. Doesn't change the fact the overall purchase price is cheaper. Everyone's fuel mileage and maintenance varies. Trucks prices are based on my trucks MSRP and the other trucks MSRP were minus the difference in the diesel option. I confirmed them when I went to build a truck on Ram's website. Oil and fuel filter changes on a Cummins are every 15k no matter what so that doesn't change and it comes with a 100k mile engine warranty. Over all price isn't cheaper as you can see in my chart(unless you are referring to up front price?). The mileage is an average of over a million miles and hundreds of members posting to Fuelly.com. Yeah, one would probably be able to get better or worse fuel mileage depending on their driving style, but it would better or worse than average regardless of what engine you are using since it is your driving style that is making the difference so it makes that argument a moot point. Your argument may be valid for GM gassers versus diesels, but not all diesels. You would only have yourself to blame in that case for narrowing yourself to one brand.
ShinerBock 10/17/19 09:42am Tow Vehicles
RE: 2020 GM/Chevy gas 6.6L max towing test

I can't believe people stressing over 3 and a half minutes. I towed all over with an 89 1 ton Big Block Chevy TBI for years and at times was down to 12mph. We are talking the IKE. For someone like me who tows 7500 to 8000 lbs 15 to 20 times year and won't daily drive a truck this thing would work just fine. 10,000 to 15,000 dollars is not worth 3 and a half minutes to me. Lets be realistic, anyone who tows 16,000 lbs up and down the IKE on the regular is not buying a gasser anyway. It is not just about 3 and half minutes. That was just one up hill section of many of having to hear an engine whine at 5k which gets tiring. It is also about having the power to spare when you need to pass. I used to think the same way you did until my old 4.6L F150. It was "just enough" until I was stuck behind a semi truck for what seemed like forever on a two lane road doing less than 45 mph because I did not have power to pass him when a passing lane opened. I would rather arrive at camp refreshed than with my nerves shot. Also, a diesel does not cost $15k so I am not sure where you are getting that number from. If you count the fuel savings and resale/trade-in value, the difference is less than a few grand and in some cases like mine it is in the diesel's favor. If I traded my truck in today going by local trade-in value, the 6.4L gas version my truck would have cost me over $500 more accounting for fuel cost, preventative maintenance cost, taxes, interest, registration, and resale/trade-in value. My truck would be more expensive than the 5.7L version by a grand. Certainly is 10 to 15000 dollars more here in Washington state. Place I picked up my truck had two new trucks on the lot. One diesel one gasser, same options 12,000 dollars difference. You might not like the sound of 5k doesn't mean it isn't doing what it is supposed to. Again. Right tool for the job, you don't need diesel to lug around 7000 to 10000lbs, 16000 sure. Like I said if you are running the Ike everyday or daily driving you will want the diesel. No one in there right mind is going to buy a gasser to pull 16,000lbs regularly. Yeah, but calculate total cost of ownership with a release/trade-in value at the end of 100k or 150k like I did below. You will find that even if you don't tow at all, the difference in cost is nowhere near that. https://i.postimg.cc/4NM2G2wL/5-7-vs-6-4-vs-6-7-2.png height=650 width=550
ShinerBock 10/17/19 09:23am Tow Vehicles
RE: 2020 GM/Chevy gas 6.6L max towing test

I can't believe people stressing over 3 and a half minutes. I towed all over with an 89 1 ton Big Block Chevy TBI for years and at times was down to 12mph. We are talking the IKE. For someone like me who tows 7500 to 8000 lbs 15 to 20 times year and won't daily drive a truck this thing would work just fine. 10,000 to 15,000 dollars is not worth 3 and a half minutes to me. Lets be realistic, anyone who tows 16,000 lbs up and down the IKE on the regular is not buying a gasser anyway. It is not just about 3 and half minutes. That was just one up hill section of many of having to hear an engine whine at 5k which gets tiring. It is also about having the power to spare when you need to pass. I used to think the same way you did until my old 4.6L F150. It was "just enough" until I was stuck behind a semi truck for what seemed like forever on a two lane road doing less than 45 mph because I did not have power to pass him when a passing lane opened. I would rather arrive at camp refreshed than with my nerves shot. Also, a diesel does not cost $15k so I am not sure where you are getting that number from. If you count the fuel savings and resale/trade-in value, the difference is less than a few grand and in some cases like mine it is in the diesel's favor. If I traded my truck in today going by local trade-in value, the 6.4L gas version my truck would have cost me over $500 more accounting for fuel cost, preventative maintenance cost, taxes, interest, registration, and resale/trade-in value. My truck would be more expensive than the 5.7L version by a grand.
ShinerBock 10/17/19 08:47am Tow Vehicles
RE: 2020 GM/Chevy gas 6.6L max towing test

Dang, 11 minutes and 54 seconds to do what it took the diesel 8 minutes and 24 seconds. I don't think I could handle slowing all the way down to 25 mph. That is why any money spent on the diesel option is well worth it for me(even though it generally pay for itself on resale). My nerves would be shot going that slow.
ShinerBock 10/17/19 07:16am Tow Vehicles
RE: Tesla Semi truck unveil & test ride set for Oct 26th !

That doesn't look like a Semi.
ShinerBock 10/14/19 05:38pm Tow Vehicles
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