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RE: Tow weight

Thanks. Yes, I’m looking to buy something we won’t easily outgrow with a nice floor plan. We would def be open to pulling out for Trips in the future. That’s why I’m looking at trailers in 27 to 30 feet range. There’s a lot of trailers in that range with a gvwr under the towing capacity of my truck which is 7400 lbs. that’s for a fully loaded trailer. There isn’t ANY reason to continually buy travel trailers. My folks bought but one and kept it thirty years. From when I was in high school until my son graduated college. The five of us traveled the USA, Canada & Mexico for weeks on end, every year. In retirement my folks were full-timing six months or more at a stretch. Had two tow vehicles over that entire period. (By choice, not necessity). The TV spec is Solo duty first. A typical RV’er travels but 5k miles per year. The other two-thirds of miles drives the decision. Towing a TT isn’t difficult. TT weight has little to do with TV spec. What matters is on-road stability. Steering control, braking & handling. Serious accidents are about driver loss-of-control (over-correction), NOT about “weight”. The new & 20-year stil new-and-clueless imagine that trailer tongue weight is a payload problem, and it isn’t. TW is a placeholder number as TW is NOT a constant. It’s changes continually once underway. It’s the force exerted by a lever. Which extends forward from the trailer axles to the hitch ball. TW was a problem solved more than fifty years ago by correct use of a weight-distribution hitch. . Change the name of the device to Lever Force Control Unit for a better description. The hitch ball location — relative to the road — can’t move UP or DOWN or SIDEWAYS without that force being resisted by tires & springs ALL ACROSS the combined rig. RV’ers who think they have it right (hitch rigging), don’t. Have only set things to counter that force in maybe one direction. What is at stake is that the TV rear axle NOT lose contact with the road, AND that it resists side-sway without breaking loose. A live axle (solid axle) TV — the pickup truck — is LIKELIEST to fail in these. 4WD with even limited off-road tire treads make this worse yet. Too much spring capacity (unused) only exacerbates the problem. A WDH spreads over ALL THREE axle the levers attempts to disengage the rear axle tires from their job versus concentration of force at a single point. A 1,000-lb TW is EASILY handled by car, SUV or minivan. As the axles on the TV see 350-400/lbs after lash-up. (Axle/Tire Capacity chart is what matters). What’s best TV spec? Family duty. The short version there is fully independent suspension & shortest rear overhang b (distance from rear axle to hitch ball). Low center-of-gravity, is the other. When’s a pickup a good choice? When it’s subject to IRS rules, and not otherwise. It’s a heavily-compromised vehicle. Least-capable when it matters, as it is MORE likely than the trailer to initiate a loss-of-control incident. . Where when solo it’s weight ratio FF/RR is 48-50% equal AS USED DAILY is when it comes into its own. Not otherwise. Want to be laughed out of the room, tell us about what a good driver you are. Risk-avoidance is statistically ordered. The worst pair of vehicles in combination is a 4WD pickup with a box-shape travel trailer (including 5’ers) raised for slide-outs and riding on leaf spring suspension. The opposite end is a high-end European sedan or SUV pulling a truly-aero TT on fully independent suspension. “Skill” can’t overcome physics. Mario Andretti couldn’t correct from loss of rear axle tire patch contact. There’s not time enough at highway speed. And there’s not an adequate training regimen to introduce familiarity. Good habits are second to “best” combination rig. Assembling that rig (on RV forums) tries to use the wrong assumptions to correct problems which don’t exist. Usually makes bad into worse. (Where words like Payload and Tow Rating occur. Which don’t exist in the real world of commercial trucking; thus, liability). Liability is on the operator. “Too fast for conditions”, if a citation is required. Were these discussions truly about what is safe, physics would play its role. It’s shut out. The other end we’d expect to see discussed. It isn’t: Torsion-Flex axles on the trailer, and anti-lock disc brakes. Instead we listen to children happy they can GO FASTER on an upgrade (bigger pickup!!) instead of understanding that worsens everything which actually matters. OP, your family’s miles SOLO miles demand best stability, steering & braking. Towing a trailer is second place. That’s cart & horse In proper order. The two vehicles go together EASILY with minimal changes to TV spec to enhance vacation travel. It’s not rocket science. And it’s not in TV ads. It’s especially not in an RV crowd where 95% get it wrong (to be generous). There are Engineering formulas which predict, and there are tests by which you can verify & confirm. Both are missing without a long search, here. Second to what’s missing (trailer upgrades needed was first), are the tests. Where Joe Smith dialed in his hitch rigging (after Three Pass Scale Method; also corrected tire pressure) to get best braking. His rig — and yours — should stop SOONER once hitched. (Both vehicles loaded for camping with passengers aboard). The echo chamber of bad advice is king in RV forums. Any site or brand. It’s subject to a numerical baseline of performance testing. This is always missing. Numbers, not anecdote. Those who don’t understand what’s possible aren’t reliable. What actually works an eighth grader can parse. Take your time. (Read). Good luck! .
Slowmover 07/08/20 05:35am Travel Trailers
RE: Okay How many RV'ers here use CB-Radio's?

Twice in the past three weeks have been able to divert around a closed Interstate due to fatality and NOT get trapped on an alternate routes with the illiterates. A better than average CB radio system, an Atlas, and knowing how to use both takes practice. (The usefulness of Waze is in knowing how the stupids will respond. Mob prediction). Your commuter miles in a metro area don’t count when out on The Big Road. Take that as a humility pill, if it’s understanding you want. The assumptions about services will put you into real trouble if you miss the mark. Today’s cars are harder in which to make a good radio installation than a 1971 Dodge Polara wagon, and while experience in mobile radio use adds confidence, it still needs to be turned on more than turned off. What distinguishes the road of today versus 1980 and earlier is that the level of co-operation has dropped to near zero. CB Radio replaced a whole slew of hand and vehicle signals needed to negotiate two-lane highways. Bad driving practice is universal now. Include yourself. Metro commuter habits are worse than terrible. It’s ME versus being WE. Rules are for someone else. The underlying principles don’t pertain to special people. Most truckers don’t use CB, install, or know how to do either. Most private vehicle owners aren’t willing to do a good installation of a radio and antenna system, much less invest the time to learn its ways. Again, include yourself. Humility is: don’t yet know what’s possible. It’s the Citizen Band. Not the Slave-Tracker (cell phone). You’ll get what you put into it. Use the Internet window while you can. There are experienced operators out there DESPITE morons crowding some areas at some times. Better radios can scan all channels fast. AM-19 isn’t the only action An NMO-Mount Larsen NMO27C on the roof practically guarantees king of the hill status in terms of being heard — and being able to hear — with a radio system of reasonable cost (well-installed). Your neighbor with an antenna stuck to the aftermarket rack on his pickup for his CB hasn’t a clue. That’s performance as bad as most composite-body Class 8 trucks of today. Abysmal. 1). Radio gear will last a decade or more in constant use. The price divided by ten years is next to nothing when compared to cell phones, WiFi routers and the rest over the same period. 2). Where family vehicles — all of them — also feature radio installations and there’s a radio at home mounted under a kitchen cabinet completes a circle not dependent on your owners willingness to allow you communication AT A DISTANCE. 3). Other radio modes may be “better” in a technical comparison, but CB is the one that’s everywhere in someone’s attic or garage, gathering dust. What you and your family have is one thing. What MATTERS is what you share with your neighbors. — a record number in Great Britain are sitting for Amateur Licensure. Reports here are similar in re equipment purchases and interest. 4). The “minimum” unit is AM/SSB capable. Sideband is the bees knees. Solid-value & rock-steady performance is with the Uniden 980 at very low cost. ($180 retail, $140 all over). I recently sat in NE Ohio on a break and listened to Wisconsin talking with Georgia. Florida, with Chicago. 11-Meter is an introduction to Ham Radio (Amateur), but without having to prove technical competence through licensure. — while conditions and gear questions apply, conversing with others in the Caribbean, South America and Europe isn’t outside what’s possible. Canada and Mexico aren’t anything remarkable. No, this isn’t automatic or plug & play. . But it’s close. 5). An RV is a natural home for Radio. Wherever it is. Mobile, or stationary. Any tools or supply needed to make installations is reduced when spread across home, family cars, and an RV. Money spent is in paying yourself is an important understanding. — the 1960s saw the peak of RV adventure travel. It established a norm of having a “campground radio” as common right into the early 1980s. CB outnumbered TV in use by a large factor. One IS dependent on others, thus easy communication “fixes” problems, one man to another, one family to another. Ordinary AM radio had at that point a thirty year history of providing local news and maybe weather. Network-affiliation. Shortwave, the international scope. CB was what closed the loop. The “adventure” was in providing ones self with what before was corporate-controlled. — A cell phone connects you to someone with their hand out for money. And then only if they deem you worthy of access. Not yet banned. The Net is no different. Full dependence is the model. AWAY from independence. 6). RADIO is a system of systems. Of which — by far — the most important is the antenna system. That all parts of it work together. There are simple and complex mobile antennas. An RV Radio is likeliest to be used while stationary, so one is not limited to typical mobile mounting. (Motorhomes have their own problems, but nothing that applying one’s self can’t remedy). A tripod-mount away from the vehicle or a wire antenna strung in trees are starts. CB is generally, but not wholly a line-of-sight TX/RX performer. As to antennas: Height is Might. 7). An installation where details are attended to the higher standards of Amateur Radio ensures best performance. And eases entry to that world should it prove attractive. Makes every vehicle or structure treated that much more valuable. The cost of quality supply goods is as nothing compared to the brains to use them well. 8). Many will worry over memory or reports of CB Radio theft sensationalized in the 1970s. The Enemy wants you dependent, should be your first reaction. And common sense should dictate how to look at the problem otherwise. — What’s in your RV or home is easily concealed from view. — Your family vehicles need this: Don’t tell a story to a passer-by. Mounting a radio inside a console or on the back of it is one approach. An NMO-Mount antenna can be removed and the mount capped (no, a magnet mount antenna attracts MORE attention, and suffers significantly diminished performance). If you want the most, get the most. And that’s in the installation far, far ahead of the gear chosen. 9). As to a large difference between CB and true Amateur Radio equipment Digital Signal Filtration in the audio chain so lessens the noise that signals previously unknown can now be not only deciphered, but one can at times communicate. Ears trump Voice. — there is quite a bit of Amateur equipment being used on 11-Meter (total number, not percentage) even though it is prohibited. “Noise Abatement” is a large reason why. — there are stand-alone DSP units that go between radio and external speaker. I prefer where it’s integrated with a mobile speaker, specifically, the West Mountain Radio ClearSpeaker. A $200 purchase I made six years ago and has covered past 300k miles in a big truck including off road oilfield without incident. Marketed to the Amateur crowd, it’s an amazingly effective device. There are those with $2,000 HAM radios who use it even though the radio has a multitude of filtering controls built-in. — a guy with a good radio system — “better” than mine — will tell you he gets reports of problems 7-8/miles away. That’s outstanding . . . but I get them 12-15/miles out with the WM Spkr added to a VG installation. 10). CB Radio was given a clowns image by Hollywood. (Gee, imagine that). It has no substitute as the immediate area communication device. As before, your family or group may use another choice. So what? Eventually it WILL matter you can speak with strangers nearby. Who, remember (even if you haven’t the experience) have the same concerns and feelings as you. 11). The basic system, IMO, is: Uniden 980 AM/SSB Radio. West Mountain Radio ClearSpeaker RM Italy KL203 amp SOTABEAM 4-way DC distribution (or similar; make disconnect E-Z). Harbor Freight “Apache” 3800 Transport Case to keep it safe. This set-up outperforms every high dollar Big Radio. Use as is. No upgrades or grubby tech fingers inside units. (The amplifier is small and the current draw remains under 20A for all devices working at peak. Get at 88 Radio website. Yeah, CB is limited to 4-watts. But this isn’t nice & quiet 1959 any more.) This radio rig is, Hear & Get Heard. The default mobile antenna is ALWAYS the quarter-wave whip. 102” Stainless. All else tries to emulate its virtues. Skipshooter is an excellent American-made top-load whip. Limit overhead clearance to 13’5” maximum. Aim at height as the virtue. More money pertains to supply & tools depending on what you already have. The above is the best $500 you can spend. Over ten years it’s $4 per month. Mine pays for itself all over every couple of months. Safety on the road is risk-avoidance. Knowing what’s around a curve ahead doesn’t have a price tag. One serious accident is life-changing. (Waze and the like are too slow EVEN IF they report). Extrapolate the desire to make choices to more than just what’s on the road. Rioters in Nashville mean I’m not using IH-40 to travel west and am now diverting north to IH64 across Kentucky. No propane in one place. Power out in another. Etc And, for what it’s worth, some of the funniest things I’ve heard in this lifetime came across that radio. It’s friend, fair weather and foul. A good place to eat. A fair-minded tire store owner. Heavy crosswinds just ahead. A). The bible of Amateur Radio installation is at (link) K0BG He includes many links. Make notes. B). Internet retailers of repute (all of which I use) include: Bob's CB (Pennsylvania) Bells CB (Florida) Walcott CB (Iowa) DX-Engineering (Ohio) Universal Radio (Ohio) HRO Ham Radio Outlet (Online, and regular retail across nation) Radio Shack is long gone. Websites include: RadioReference WWDX QRZ Equipment Reviews at CB RADIO MAGAZINE eHam YouTube Farpoint Farms Series (on the 980 as SSB choice). “102 Whip CB Base Station Antenna” (title) As before, one gets what he puts into it. Read up on best practice. .
Slowmover 07/05/20 04:27am RV Lifestyle
RE: Sway Problem / Need Help

An Andersen shouldn’t ever be considered if a WDH is needed. It isn’t one. . Seriously? The Andersen is a great WDH in the proper applications. In applications where there is a high tongue weight and a lot of redistribution is required, then the Andersen is not the best choice. However, for many applications the Andersen is an outstanding choice. It's worked great for me over the last 6 years. Numbers. Opinions ain’t worth much otherwise. Very likely your rig also in need of help. There are formulas which predict how WDH works. Basic engineering. Meet them first. Anything that makes the day on the road easier is worth the trouble. Hitch rigging isn’t met with success by even 3% of owners. Start over with what you have. . .
Slowmover 06/07/20 02:31pm Travel Trailers
RE: Sway Problem / Need Help

An Andersen shouldn’t ever be considered if a WDH is needed. It isn’t one. An Andersen No-Sway WEIGHT DISTRIBUTION hitch is exactly that, a weight distribution hitch that also incorporates sway control. I've used one for several years with a few different trailers and tow vehicles. It may not be as efficient at returning weight to the front end of the tow vehicle when used with heavy trailers (i.e., tongue weights greater than 1,000 lbs), but for sub 1,000 lb tongue weights the hitch works wonderful and it absolutely is a weight distribution hitch. It offers nothing in sway resistance that the cheapest WDH doesn’t already have, and it FAILS by definition in distributing tongue weight. Where are the scale tickets? CAT Scale. Three-Pass Method. See Ron Gratz post from 2010. Full fresh water & propane in trailer. Loaded for camping. TV with fuel topped off at truckstop, loaded for camping, all passengers aboard. Do that procedure and post them. Check tire pressure before heading to scale. Overnight cold. The scale values are how to dial in pressure correctly. From the Load & Pressure Table, but inside TV door sticker range. Pic of axle/tire/wheel limit sticker. Trailer needs to be dead-level once hitched and everyone aboard plus all liquids/gases topped off. Carpenters level across doorway. In, or mainly inside bubble. — One of several tests of WDH is braking. It the combined rig DOESN'T stop faster than the loaded truck, solo, you’ve not gotten the hitch rigging right. — Absent crosswinds, you should be able to “let go” of the steering wheel for at least a three-count. (1001, 1002, etc) without heading for the ditch. — Passing traffic should have little effect. Minor, gradual, steering correction (singular, not plural) is the mark. — Solid-axle 4WD pickup is the worst TV. Ideally, the truck balances very closely to 50/50 FF/RR in weight BEFORE you hitch the trailer. Anything heavy in the bed (the same problem exists with the front axle) is ON or AHEAD of the Drive Axle. No exceptions. It’s ALSO secured against ANY movement. None of this is optional. (My ‘04 Dodge is 8,940-lbs and within 40-lbs at all four corners. It was a pain to get it there as it remains loaded, always. The point is to get it right, get proper storage containers, lash down, and take some pics for reference). — What’s the weight of yours when solo at this point (per axle) as against the limits? The addition of TW (a static value; meaningless except as starting reference) SHOULD see the Steer & Drive Axles split the difference of 75% of TW. With about 10% more to the Drive Axle once done. Extra spring capacity — unused — is detrimental. Means the Drive Axle is MORE LIKELY to get loose, even airborne, if that TT decides to get frisky. Keeping that set of tires in contact with the ground — then losing it momentarily— IS the reason that pickups have their poor safety record. Upgrade the shocks today. I wouldn’t take it home from the dealership brand-new without this. Tires can’t control the springs (and if you have overinflated tires, even less so), and better shocks are first step. Second is replacing FF/RR anti-roll bar rubber bushings with polyurethane. They don’t give or wear. Those bars act sooner and more consistently. Your TV needs issues addressed before a WDH can be best understood. A WDH that can’t leverage TW is NOT a Weight-Distribution Hitch. It may be light in weight, etc, but as it offers no more sway resistance than the cheaper offerings, it’s an expensive way to have gotten next to nothing. A 350-lb TW is where a WDH starts to become useful. So unless your trailer is 4,000-lbs, the Andersen is a really poor choice. As it hasn’t leverage enough BY DESIGN. Get the baseline numbers. Do it correctly. Address the truck problems. Minimize problems with what you own, now. . . .
Slowmover 06/07/20 02:03pm Travel Trailers
RE: Not your dad's Airstream

Good grief! How high can you stack bovine biscuits in an attempt to glorify an old outdated trailer? So stable it needs a $3k hitch to keep it from flying off the road, rolling multiple times risking lives all around. A $140,000 AS has a particle board floor. The fuselage requires regular maintenance to keep it from leaking down to the particle board floor. Appliances are the same as the Walmart trailers. The chassis and running gear will rust and wear out just as fast as any other. I like a new trailer every 5-7 years. Cousin’s ‘87 24’ stick and tin Walmart special is still serving him very well. He tows it on a $40 tri-ball, stable and safe. You like having a payment. You’ll buy, what, 4-5 when you could have had one. Will have spent far more. Senor Spendthrift. They’re far easier to tow. Wanting a hitch not obsolete in design is a choice. As it’s equal in importance to the vehicle pair it’s cheap at twice the price. Sway is eliminated. While your trailer jigs back and forth all day. A Hensley stands out. Rock solid. No movement not initiated by TV. But, not yours. Wearing out that cheap leaf suspension in a year. There are 30-year old AS that have suspensions still test within spec. Yours won’t make it 5,000-miles. You don’t want one, fine. My thirty year old SS is nicer than what you have. Always was and always will be. The difference is that I bought mine for less than you paid for whatever you have And even with changes along the way, I’ll still have less into it. A 10-15 year old AS is still new. But depreciation has bottomed. That’s the time to buy one for a typically poor American. What little it will need can be spread out as time, funds and DIY allow. That’s a FAR better trailer than whatever is brand new on the RV lots. And your cousins trailer won’t pass a moisture intrusion test. Nor is it stable at typical highway speeds when the rig encounters severe crosswinds. The ones I almost don’t notice. As 5’ers, big trucks and rigs like your can’t stay on the road. Crosswind resistance is the crown. That’s the single largest cause of driver loss of control. Which you can’t control for. Mario Andretti can’t control a rig when the Drive Axle gets loose. Design matters. Frou-frou doesn’t. AS still has the basic design which hasn’t been improved by anyone in sixty years. So, if your definition of going camping is watching TV somewhere else, have at it. If you really wanted to travel, you’d have been a serious student. You weren’t. You took the higher risk & more expensive route. Enjoy. .
Slowmover 05/11/20 07:30pm Travel Trailers
RE: Sway Problem / Need Help

Equalizer brand NOT as good. Period. And that statement is Pure BULL ... PERIOD! PERIOD! Both the Equal-i-zer and Reese Dual Cam are performance wise equal to one another when properly set up and matched to the TT loads and the choice is a matter of personal preferences. The one single adavantage of the Reese is that it can be had in a 1700lb TW version whereas the Equal-i-zer maxes out at 1400. Larry Shock load on receiver. Equalizer inferior. Crude
Slowmover 05/11/20 06:48pm Travel Trailers
RE: Sway Problem / Need Help

Equalizer brand NOT as good. Period.
Slowmover 05/09/20 12:37pm Travel Trailers
RE: Sway Problem / Need Help

Work on getting the truck “right”. Mine — at 8,940-lbs solo with driver and ready to hitch for any trip — is within 40-lbs at each corner. 1). The gear in the bed MUST BE ahead of the rear axle. Barely on it if at all. No matter how many changes you must undertake to do this, do it. I had to spend days by myself to get things organized in this way. 1,200-lbs of gear. 2). THEN the gear MUST be secured against movement. If the truck rolled on its side, it would still be in place. Contacting the bed. 3). The empty box is a penalty to overcome. Flawed design for a road vehicle. A compromise so a contractor or farmer/rancher can carry needed gear or supply. A truly lousy choice for anyone else. Who is without corresponding IRS miles. 4). A pickup will roll over in an accident where a car or SUV just spins around. Rollovers account for a quarter of all fatalities, and an even higher percentage of dead serious injury. They are a low speed farm vehicle. 5). Lousy highway dynamics which are worsened by hitching a wind-catching trailer. 6). The dumb guys believe “weight” to be a problem. It isn’t. WDH solves it over 50-years ago. A 1k TW is the province of cars and minivans. A nothingburger. The problems in towing are the same as when solo. The order of importance for stable control is: 1). Steering control 2). Braking 3). Throttle. Crosswinds are what cause loss-of-control accidents. Natural, or man-made. If my 63’ rig can go down the highway in winds that park 5’ers and tractor-trailers — with fingertip steering — the EQUAL IMPORTANCE of Tow Vehicle design Hitch Rigging Trailer design cannot be overstated. Those three are EQUAL. The hitch (and it’s actions) is about STEERING. About minimal BRAKING distance. About EFFECTIVE throttle use. These are each about DEGREE of input, and DURATION of same. Details matter. Some take effort. Test. Verify. Confirm. Start with the pickup. Stock suspension and highway tires matter. Clue #2 about who are the dumb guys: bought a bigger truck that climbs the ascent faster. But his trailer is still on leaf and with drum brakes. A cheap hitch (as he willfully “fails” to understand the importance), and an even cheaper brake controller. There’s no situation MORE dangerous than a mountain descent. A crosswind gust. The source may be a straight truck blazing past or Mother Nature. What acceleration distance do you need to simultaneously floor the throttle and slam home the brake controller? How fast up the hill? (Dunce caps on sale in quantity). All the details come together here. The worse the pickup flaws, the less likelihood there will be time to act. A billboard trailer on leafs will have all tires in the air before the 1-T 4-WD driver notices. The hitch is a STEERING component. Make its working conditions best .
Slowmover 05/09/20 12:19pm Travel Trailers
RE: Sway Problem / Need Help

An Andersen shouldn’t ever be considered if a WDH is needed. It isn’t one. Of the obsolete hitch types (non-Hensley patent) the original WDH is still the best. The Reese Dual Cam. (An Equalizer IS NOT in its class). The DC takes more time to first set up — and benefits again by adjustment from significant weight changes to vehicles — that “sensitivity” pays. A 4WD pickup with a lift kit describes the worst possible tow vehicle. In the same way, a TALL conventional travel trailer (slides) on leaf springs — a box without aero design — is the worst of its type. The combination isn’t worth owning, IMO. Not if one really wants to travel. The pickup when loaded for camping and with passengers SHOULD BE close to 50/50 in weight distribution BEFORE hitching. (Cat Scale proof). The purpose of WD is to re-distribute TW approximately 1/3-13-1/3: Steer, Drive, Tandem. Ideally it shows the solo truck Steer value and Hitched (tensioned) Steer value as the same. The Drive ought to then be 10% greater than Steer when finished. Tires are inflated to the load value pressure. No higher. TT tires to sidewall max. Better than stock shock absorbers a requirement. Even a brand new truck. The trailer needs them also, but changing to Dexter Torflex axles the best way forward. The pickup bed WILL move against the suspension. A Panhard Rod is a GREAT addition. And/Or upsizing anti-roll bar size one step, front and rear. Braking tests are mandatory. Properly hitched, the combined rig should stop FASTER than the loaded TV, solo. Contributor Ron Gratz posted a Three Pass Scale Method back in 2010. That’s the minimum. The start. THERE IS A RANGE OF ADJUSTMENT FOR A GIVEN COMBINED RIG. Need to know both ends of it. .
Slowmover 05/09/20 11:52am Travel Trailers
RE: Travel When Restrictions lifted

Our campground was almost full and the people we interacted with seemed to act like the Covid didn't exist (retired military, LEO, and fire). There lies the problem with opening things up too soon with idiots like that, while active cases are still on the rise. With a 99.9% survival rate it doesn’t exist. For ANY practical purpose. .
Slowmover 05/09/20 11:28am Travel Trailers
RE: Yet another reason to love trailering

I travel full time. 100k miles annually. Really? 100K miles per year? Are you a long haul trucker? Yes
Slowmover 05/09/20 11:25am Travel Trailers
RE: Yet another reason to love trailering

I've always said that if people are concerned enough to ask what kind of mileage other people get when towing, they probably shouldn't be RVing in the first place. Why? because if they are that concerned about the cost, then they are apparently at the upper limits of their fuel spending allowance already. They cringe if it costs $80 to fill up with diesel instead of $60, buy the continue to buy $6.00 mochas and frappacino drinks at their favorite coffee stand. 1). They don’t know the comparison factor. Neither do you. (40% reduction from solo where that vehicle loaded same. Same roads and speed as when towing). “Bad” mpg is where it’s worse than this TESTED prediction. 2). Savings, you don’t know either. It’s first in knowing the annual fuel cost for the family. All vehicles. All miles. The baseline. Fuel savings for RV travel is in controlling non-vacation miles. TEST. — Chasing low fuel price while travelling isn’t AT ALL smart. An RV requires space. Risk reduction is facilities used by big trucks. Travel Centers. — Next to the highway is best. Always. Commuter miles count for nothing. Different regions they drive differently. Many reasons. 3). The corollary is in using state rest areas. VIRTUALLY NO ONE USES PICNIC AREAS. I travel full time. 100k miles annually. An RV makes space & privacy E-Z. — The WalMart parking lot isn’t any of these things. High risk to vehicle, high crime and high cost. The daily trip plan is one thing. A FAIL for most (work at it). The vacation MEAL PLAN is where an RV comes into its own. Your control of your environment is most important here. Snacks or a meal shouldn’t ever be the point where “risk” of any sort is entailed. Again, work at it. Experience (notes, not memory) is what brings focus. A map. There’s not an RV out there doesn’t have enough space (any type) for a successful meal plan covering a vacation trip. . Note that these are all emotional problems. Nothing above was difficult to describe, much less how to alleviate. (So, who’s done it?). Throw out the TV. Watching 4-hrs/week no different than watching 50-hrs week. Having a life means no TV in household. None. Object? Assume no discipline present, either. Same emotional barrier. Outside of portable fuel (TV & TT) and potable water, dumping the sanitary tanks about the only reason to HAVE to stop up to (how many days of fresh water & propane available?). Buying fuel or obtaining water takes a few minutes. No reason to enter store. Is that formula difficult to express, or to live? Once over the hump, travel is actually easier. There’s (literally) more to see. To hear. To feel. Choose the times & places to be with other people to fit, “what is vacation”? Lose the slave foreman, first. .
Slowmover 05/03/20 09:24am Travel Trailers
RE: Full-time and don't/didn't like it?

The point is to be outside. Shirtsleeve weather. Some extra clothing to cover a variety of conditions. The pleasure of cooking inside or out. If my “ideal” was a lumbering, unstable 5’er to which I had to buy a commercial vehicle to drag it with, that sure takes the fun out of solo touring a region. Day trips. Same with a Moho. It’s flat funny seeing the “toad” that only two people will ever use. A big family group it makes some sense. But repairs and maintenance are a pain as little is DIY. Two drivetrains has to be justified. THE POINT is that many MAY NOT have made good choice when it came time to buy an RV. The extra work of “bigger” is a huge turnoff. If not today, then tomorrow. Highest reliability, longest-life and ease of travel were the priorities I learned as third generation owner of type. Set-up and take-down shouldn’t be a burden. There’s NEVER an end of things to do or see. A major city or an unknown region. Any budget. A life of television has stunted many of you. Most of whom you might meet. Throw it out, as it’s poison. No one had them until reasonably priced solid-state portables were available in the mid-late 1970s. Absolutely NO ONE missed them. Examine assumptions. The rut you prefer is still just that. The lifelong slave loves his collar too much to remove it. An RV is maybe last chance to wake up in an unfamiliar place . . and allow the unfamiliar part of you come forward. . Well, unless your profile isn't up to date .... your RV setup is a PU truck towing a fairly good sized TT or 5'er of some type .... which seems to me to be a bit limiting. It my opinion, the "RV'ing philosophy" of yours above seems to indicate this kind of a rig ;) : It’s a possibility. Very short trips. In no way full-time. And, does it make a good family vehicle the rest of the time? (No). Add in a definition: 1). How long parked on one place with no need of re-supply? Nothing. No external sources connected. 2). Now: bad weather. Illness or injury. Confined to vehicle. — Point being just how “true” is it the vehicle is self-contained? Time, is the answer, along with possible complications. The primary limitation is water capacity. Propane a close second. (Electrical pretty much irrelevant. Not necessary except for furnace fan). Propane is what makes an RV possible. Cook, clean, bathe, refrigerate food and lighting. The Quigley camper van trades self-containment for but a few miles of unpaved road capability. (Some may want that). Mines longer than I wanted. But it’s not going off-pavement in any reasonable sense of that restriction. Two weeks unsupplied is easy. Cooling or heating isn’t difficult. The pickup was my company’s vehicle. Not necessary, but already owned it. No house, so it still functions for the “business” of trailer restoration. Until not needed. Then, back to a car. I’m pretty tired of a 9,000-lb trucks poor braking in a combined rig versus that of a 5,000-lb car, for starters. Same for handling and crosswind-resistance. It’s more work with the same trailer. Gee, how does he know that? As to travel, again, a new place is new people. How they live three states over. How they got their start as a state. Then the differences in geography, zoology, and the rest. An RV is the extension to the weekend day trips you’ve made from home. “Where” one is parked is OCCASIONALLY the point. A campground is a campground is a campground. It’s about the region. What there is to see and enjoy. (A destination campground is a different beast). The miles solo ALWAYS dominate. They determine BEST vehicle spec. As for the grumps, we know who made bad choices and think the primary purpose of RV’ng is to watch TV some warmer or cooler place. Attacking me versus THE ATTEMPT to understand what was written, well . . . carry on. TV really is your god. Getcher panties untwisted a little more quietly, huh? My first thirty years of this travel was in using cars. Same trailer type and weight. Cars not as good as what can be found today. But were better than the pickups “you” believe necessary (when there’s no IRS rules applicable). Can’t separate meanings of Need versus Desire. Family car. Easy-to-tow TT. The formula is easy. . Lower budget, and did more. You want unstable, short-lived and expensive to operate, have at it. Stay with the lemmings on that hard road. New guys with 15, 20 years of ignorance and the contempt to prove it. Get on back to the satellite TV threads. Keep the poison fresh. Hit a few National Parks. Visit a few long-lost relatives. Call that your great adventure. There was more to be experienced. Hiding between your ears, and, when found by accident, rejected. .
Slowmover 05/03/20 08:18am General RVing Issues
RE: I-40 E to I-44E to I-70E? NM to VT

IH40 to W Memphis. IH55 N and across River to Dyersburg, TN IH69 to IH64 across KY IH77 N to Cleveland IH80/90 to NY Thruway As a commercial driver this is the route I’d use due to least traffic. Traffic is the biggest problem E of the Mississippi River. Current stupidity aside, use (plan) stops in advance. Rand McNally Commercial Carriers Atlas better than the Auto version GPS is only for real-time. Not for planning. Set waypoints. Clean car. Shirt with collar, leather shoes & belt. Fresh shave. No track suit or shorts. Look like a man. About his business. ON BUSINESS. Not a tattooed fool. Don’t have stuff strewn around interior. Neat. Orderly. Secured. Zip closed. Don’t let your condition or the car “tell a story “. Inside or out. Clean = Invisible CB Radio I’d never be without. UNIDEN 980 Sirio 5000 mag mount Astatic SWR meter UNIDEN BC-20 speaker. Ch 19 is still Truckers. When you get home, get a power supply and a base station antenna. SSB means greater distance. Any problems out ahead and the Truckers will be yakking. BELLS CB, BOBS CB, CLAYS CB, WALCOTT CB all great shops to deal with in person or online. (Don’t order any extras about tuning, etc. That radio doesn’t need it). for details on mobile radio installations See Clays site for short version. Cigar lighter power and failure to tune antenna means poor performance. Do your best for now. Carry the food you enjoy. You can live just fine on sandwiches, etc. Truck stop chains are good about cleanliness. I just returned home a few days ago after 8,000-miles in three weeks. Nothing to mention for what matters. This whole kerfuffle would be laughable except for police state ****. .
Slowmover 03/30/20 07:26pm Roads and Routes
RE: Full-time and don't/didn't like it?

The point is to be outside. Shirtsleeve weather. Some extra clothing to cover a variety of conditions. The pleasure of cooking inside or out. If my “ideal” was a lumbering, unstable 5’er to which I had to buy a commercial vehicle to drag it with, that sure takes the fun out of solo touring a region. Day trips. Same with a Moho. It’s flat funny seeing the “toad” that only two people will ever use. A big family group it makes some sense. But repairs and maintenance are a pain as little is DIY. Two drivetrains has to be justified. THE POINT is that many MAY NOT have made good choice when it came time to buy an RV. The extra work of “bigger” is a huge turnoff. If not today, then tomorrow. Highest reliability, longest-life and ease of travel were the priorities I learned as third generation owner of type. Set-up and take-down shouldn’t be a burden. There’s NEVER an end of things to do or see. A major city or an unknown region. Any budget. A life of television has stunted many of you. Most of whom you might meet. Throw it out, as it’s poison. No one had them until reasonably priced solid-state portables were available in the mid-late 1970s. Absolutely NO ONE missed them. Examine assumptions. The rut you prefer is still just that. The lifelong slave loves his collar too much to remove it. An RV is maybe last chance to wake up in an unfamiliar place . . and allow the unfamiliar part of you come forward. .
Slowmover 03/30/20 06:50pm General RVing Issues
RE: Best Full Time Living Travel Trailer?

Questions unstated: 1). How many years? 2). How many miles? That’s the divisor between “best” and “typical”. Airstream is the last of the quality trailers. Entry-level way back when. But it’s still an a non-limited lifespan 25+ year TT. 250,000-miles. It also has no peer in towing. Stability. The typical RVs are sub-10 years before serious problems (delamination, prominently). . 75k miles. Terrible suspensions and centr-of-gravity height. The typical trailers built when mine was are now a couple decades past being tipped into the landfill. (There’s no need to buy one brand-new. Use depreciation to your advantage). Buying new every 5-7 years is enormously wasteful. Unless that’s the time period expected. As to size, the Golden Age of Trailers showed that 27-28’ is best size for a full-time couple(asa minimum). . Bath, beds, storage and amenities. Front lounge, mid-kitchen, beds, and bath at rear is that layout. It’s also most efficient for plumbing and weight balance. It’s not in the least harder to tow than a 25’. Avoid slide-outs. And, as an important note: Many do good planning to go full-timing. But not so on EXITING. Sadly, it’s often illness or injury. Expect that selling an RV (versus giving it away) may be 4-6 months. Have a few ways of getting out. .
Slowmover 03/30/20 06:18pm Full-time RVing
RE: New Truck - Is My Math Right?

Payload and tongue weight don’t equate. A WD hitch will leave about 68-75% of the TW on the tow vehicle.. An 1,100-lb TW is going to have about 400# effect on each TV axle. That’s car, SUV or van territory. Payload has a different effect. Load it up and scale it. See for yourself. The stiffer the spring package, the worse it will be unless the cab & bed are sufficiently loaded ON EVERY TRIP. An “ideal” to work towards is where the tow vehicle is roughly 50/50 in weight division before hitching. Afterwards, 10% more on the rear axle. The old rule was of one-thirds in how to set a WD hitch. 1/3 of the TW to each point (2 on RV, one on TT). Stiffer the TV suspension, the less stiff need be the WD bars. TW IS NOT the determinant. But it still comes down to how heavily the TV is loaded prior to hitching. Pickups are already nose-heavy. Unstable. Towing only makes that worse. Get the bed load on or ahead of the drive axle. Secured tightly. The trailer needs to be level after WD is set. TV slightly tail down US NOT a concern. Scale readings are ALWAYS max fuel, full propane & full fresh water. That baseline is easily replicated. Is there about 400# or more remaining capacity for each axle when loaded for camping, all passengers aboard and unhitched? Much more than that IS NOT beneficial. Is detrimental. I run mine right at RAWR. My pickup carries 1200-lbs constantly. The 35’ trailer is such that getting the Steer Axle back close to solo value is possible. 2WD with IFS makes that easier. “Weight” isn’t the problem. It’s in having steering, braking and handling relatively unaffected after hitching. 1). Steering IS different, granted. But that’s more to do with TV loading. 2). Does it stop faster once hitched? If it doesn’t, failure lays in the above (given correct brake action). a). Empty pickup bed (weight ratio) and nose-down trailer means braking is 50% and less of what it should be. I hope it’s obvious WHY. 3). Tire pressure is ACCORDING TO LOAD. Not over or under book value, as either WORSENS all aspects of performance. Better shocks, etc, is the help to consider. Trailer leaf springs should be dumped for torsion axles. a). TT tires always to max value. Driver bad habits solo are also a concern. Braking into corners. Failure to slow sooner. Failure to stay below traffic flow. Failure to maintain adequate separation distance. Start now. Towing is not the time to begin. Given what I see on the highways, the above are nowadays UNIVERSAL failures. Kick the teenager out of the drivers seat. .
Slowmover 03/30/20 05:33pm Travel Trailers
RE: What kind of RPM's do you get? What about MPG?

The penalty is 40% over the TV loaded-same when solo at 55-60. 1970 or 2020 Gas or diesel. The penalty is aerodynamic. Diesel isn’t better or worse UNTIL you factor the fuel cost PER MILE. Gasoline = $2,50 Diesel = $3.00 At my usual 58-mph/1,725-rpm flatland cruise, my average (not high or low) is 15-mpg. In 100-miles that’s close enough to 6.5-gals diesel. 19.5-cents per mile for fuel. That’s the same “fuel mileage” as burning (8) gallons of gasoline. Or, 12-mpg. “Fuel economy” is in having a plan. Records. 1). The annual fuel budget is the context. Reduce that (overall), and taking a trip isn’t expensive. 2). Control of vehicle use year-round (combined trips; no cold starts or idle time). 3). Constant use of cruise control on highway. A speed that keeps one from lane-changing (62-mph, tops). 4). Trip plan. Stops known in advance. Start time and end time are both early (to avoid traffic volume). If this was a logic problem, no one would ask. But it’s America, thus it’s emotional. Getting used to daily spending more on fuel than one does in a week (is the hurdle). It’s also become the land of bad drivers, almost without exception. Failure to maintain adequate vehicle spacing is the glaring one. Neon. A football field is about right for minimum distance. Solo. Fail at this, and nothing else will matter. Safety & Fuel Economy track one another almost 90% or more. Bad FE is the same as unsafe driving, in other words. (FE means tested. Combined versus solo where solo weight is only missing the trailer hitched. Not a number pulled from your ___. ) Tires and brakes should last 70k or more. Tire rotation should almost be unnecessary. ““But, but, I don’t wanna do that!” Yeah, I know. I have to drive among you. Daily. Hundreds of miles Your fathers & grandfathers were better drivers. In that better society men LOOKED AROUND to ensure their end of cooperation. That’s gone, now. Keep records. Test. Formulate a plan. Use discipline. .
Slowmover 03/14/20 11:36pm Towing
RE: Not your dad's Airstream

My wife and I looked through some Airstreams at an rv show a couple of years ago. Holy ****! the cheapest one there was over 79K. They are just way too cramped on the inside. The aisle front to back was no wider than the aisle in the 1963 19ft Airstream we used to have. You're just paying for the name. How long do you expect to travel this way? Five years? Thirty? Because you’ll pay far more buying multiple WalMart campers over a long period. Finance & depreciation just to start ruins your picture. “New” is always more expensive. Also, unnecessary with this end of things. My competitor Silver Streak turned thirty last year and it’s “better” than any five year old conventional. A 10-12 year old AS is about bottomed out on depreciation. And new enough to not need much. If it needs anything at all. (Landfill time for a conventional). THAT is where to start a search. Are you going to cover no more than 70k miles or so during a few years of camping? Then a conventional kept garaged might work. Or will it be 250k over twenty years or more? Only one trailer design-type meets that pair of numbers. Done right, maybe two tow vehicles in that time. Cars or SUVs. Not rollover-prone pickups. Better stability towing. Better stability solo. How expensive is risk reduction? Cheaper, when planned from beginning. . .
Slowmover 03/14/20 10:59pm Travel Trailers
RE: Not your dad's Airstream

Very nicely done just not out cup of tea. The wife enjoys her square footage. She likes doing more cleaning. You like trying to heat or cool more (unused) space.
Slowmover 03/14/20 10:45pm Travel Trailers
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