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RE: 12v to 6v review?

Yup that is true you would have only 235ah in a two 6-sixer set up. But you'd only have 200ah in two-12er set up and they both have the same "safe draw down to 50%". The weight is about the same, the sixers being about 2 pounds heavier. The 12's will take up more space as their foot print is a little larger. ...... I found 2 batteries that compared closely for AH ratings. The first was a 6 v Duracell @235/2=117 and the second was an Apex 12 v with 115 AH. Two of each would be comparable. The weight for each was identical @ 68#. The 6 v took 794 cu in of space and the 12 v tool less at 729 cu in. The biggest difference is in height of the batteries. Typically 6 volt batteries are higher, in this case by almost 3". My battery box will not accommodate the extra height so for me there is no choice but to stick with a pair of 12v batteries. At least I found a pair totally 300 AH that will just fit. the height increase with GC2 is an issue with a fair number of applications. And couple that with few vented boxes for GC2 use in 5th wheels. However for tongue storage there are many nice boxes made for two GC2's either end to end or side to side configuration if you have enough clearance to get to batteries in. But that assumes the TT battery location on the tongue has enough height, and on many new trailers that can be an issue. In my case,(and everyone's situation is different)the height is not nearly as much an issue as is the foot print. It would be nearly impossible to get the amount amp/hour with 12v batteries and get them where my 6's are.
Vintage465 05/04/21 05:09pm Tech Issues
RE: 12v to 6v review?

..... Nonsense? No. Good advice, but go do an easy forum search as there are many post on this same topic and easy easy to find with a few keystrokes.... I am still trying to locate some facts and studies, not just opinions. Forum searches have not been any better. Instead I have seen even more myths, fallacies and unfounded opinions. Yup that is true you would have only 235ah in a two 6-sixer set up. But you'd only have 200ah in two-12er set up and they both have the same "safe draw down to 50%". The weight is about the same, the sixers being about 2 pounds heavier. The 12's will take up more space as their foot print is a little larger. There is some talk that 12's are better with heavy draw from an inverter, but I don't really care about that as I don't use an inverter. The other thing about using 6's vs 12's is, if the average person went "down town" to buy batteries the chances of getting true deep cycle 12's aren't nearly as good as getting true deep cycle 6's. For me, 6's are the way to go. For others, maybe not.........
Vintage465 05/04/21 08:15am Tech Issues
RE: 12v to 6v review?

After 4 pages of opinions, it is interesting that there does not seem to be any data or studies cited which show proven advantages for 6 volt batteries. The closest was someone mentioning that Trojan considered 6 volt batteries to be more durable. I think if you went for a comparison chart that showed pounds of battery per amp/hour you'd find that 6v golf cart batteries have the advantage. If I added up 4 100ah 12v batteries vs 4 235ah 6v batteries you'll be ahead with the 6's and also use less space and right at the same weight.
Vintage465 05/03/21 08:12pm Tech Issues
RE: 12 volt only refrigerator

A friend of mine just bought a new TT. It has a 12 volt only refrigerator. I am completely unfamiliar with this type refrigerator. Is this the new move on TTers? Is it better that a 120 volt/propane unit? My propane unit works great and it is 15 years old. I cool it down with 120 volts and then it keeps up just fine. I am asking because I am looking into getting a newer TT and I am now concerned that I won’t be able to get a propane unit. Thanks for your insight and experiences. I think the trend seems to be moving to 12v fridges. They are far better now then in the past. Personally I don't really see the reason for this unless you can't or won't have a couple propane tanks on your coach. And.........I know all the details about there being more room in the 12v vs propane. For boon docking I don't know why anyone would want anything but a propane fridge. 14 gallons of propane will keep a fridge cold for about 30 days while using the water heater. That's a long time with no worries. I don't need to set up a generator. I don't need to put out additional solar. I don't need to add more batteries. Meaning, I can just arrive, plant the trailer and start enjoying.............but this is just my humble opinion.....
Vintage465 04/16/21 08:51am Tech Issues
RE: Solar setup questions

I have a Zamp inlet on the side of my RV. We don't dry camp often but I'd like something to help us make it through the weekend when we do. Mainly using fridge on propane, minimal lights, water pump, and possibly some charging via 12v cigarette port. In this use case, we typically make it almost 2 days. I just want something to keep the battery going for another day or so. Here is what I came up with: connectors/dp/B00JPK3MBA/ref=sr_1_3?crid=1KI28O82WCXQN&dchild=1&keywords=mc4+extension+cable+15+feet&qid=1616607912&sprefix=15%27+mc4+ex%2Caps%2C171&sr=8-3 Am I missing something? The adapter will allow the charge controller to plug in to the Zamp outlet. The charge controller will be mounted to the back of the panel and connect to it. I've read that it's better to have the charge controller closer to the battery but due to the location of the Zamp port I don't think that's an option for me (not wanting to rewire since it is a minimal use case). Am I missing a connection somewhere? Trying to wrap my head around how and where everything will plug in. Any advice is appreciated! Also saw the Harbor Freight 100w kit and was wondering if that would work in my scenario? What other parts would I need? Thanks again! It doesn't sound like you will have a hard time coming up with enough chargability with a portable solar or two. Something I didn't see was the configuration, condition and age of your battery bank. You can have a nice solar charge setup but if your bank is weak you won't make it three days. Also,I attached a link(you'll have to copy and paste it)that gives you everything you need to make a real nice portable 200w setup with a parts list, prices, links and instructions.
Vintage465 03/24/21 07:47pm Travel Trailers
RE: mounting my solar panels

I have ordered some solar panels to put on my TT. I bought the 200 watt kit from Renogy. I doubt that I will be able to determine where the structural members are, so there is the very real possibility that if I just use screws they will only be into the plywood decking. In any other applications, I would trust this, but not for going down the highway at 60mph. Therefore, I am thinking of using expanding well nuts. Good plan? Or does the collective here feel that the screws should be enough? Also, what is best sealant to insure no leaks? No clue what the roof surface is. TT is a Gulfstream Conquest. Bil I'm a well-nut fan. Though I have to say there is a fair amount data indicating the wind blows over the top of the panels and doesn't try and get under them as peel them off. I traveled across the US with panels that were just screwed into the 3/8" plywood as installed by the dealer. When I re-did my solar I removed the panels and used well-nuts to be sure.
Vintage465 03/20/21 08:03pm Tech Issues
RE: Switching from 12 volt to 6 volt batteries

One of the main reasons I chose a Danfos compressor style 12V fridge /freezer was because the they are a favourite of the ultimate boondockers which are yachters....snip Using 12VDC is by far the least efficient way to generate heat, out of the 3 utilities common on RVs. That's not to say it isn't appropriate in some situations. You mentioned one. If you've got enough solar and battery bank to support it, more power to you. I've noticed there isn't much shade over sailboats. I have seen a 12vdc fridge run our truck battery down during a single overnight stop at a motel. GM truck, which did not isolate the trailer from the starting battery. So it depleted the trailer battery and the truck battery. I wasn't the owner, but I was a participant, and it was my AAA card that got us back on the road that morning. "Compressor Refrigerators They use a process that compresses refrigerant to draw hot air out of the food compartment and vent it out the back or top of the fridge. They are highly efficient compared to absorption refrigerators." These are not my words but taken from a technical article regarding RV's. Compressor fridges do not use heat to make cold like absorption fridges do, that is why they are more efficient in energy use. If you are set up for high efficient compressor fridges, they work much better than absorption fridges. Just read all of the posts by big rigs who are turfing their Norcold units for compressor fridges. One last thought, as most modern houses/apartments/businesses have natural gas and could have absorbtion appliances for cooling/freezing, why is compressor technology used in fridge/ freezers in 100% of domestic and industrial applications throughout the modern world? Check out our blog when we had our previous rv an Outfitter TC for 5 years. You will see our camping style is "dry" with very few times using genny or shore power and our compressor fridge was never a problem regarding running down the batteries. Dave Regarding your "one last thought". Yes it is true that most if not all modern houses use compressor fridges and freezers. And they are hooked to the grid and barring and outage, they have limitless non stop electricity. Obviously in an RV we don't have limitless electricity....but 14 gallons of propane will run my Norcold for better than thirty days........that's almost limitless....with a real small amount of planning. 12v compressor fridges are better than ever, but for real boon docking some regeneration homework needs to be done to keep one of those in check.
Vintage465 03/18/21 08:42pm Travel Trailers
RE: Toyota Sequoia vs Chevy Surburban

Takes a bunch of miles to repay the cost of a diesel at a 2.8 mpg advantage. X2 “BTW... I'll take the Suburban or Tahoe all day long!” Sequoia looks bad IMO. I still don't really consider the "repay cost" to be a factor in my decision. For me having a Diesel is about absolute ease and effortless towing. Some things they didn't discuss was the RPM the engine was spinning on the road. Things like engine RPM, the quietness of the Diesel, lack of repeated down/up shifting all add to the effortless tow experience...........and not everyone is looking for the same factors in buying tow vehicle. Some people have to work it out on a calculator weather they can afford it or not. If it doesn't make sense on a calculator then they feel ripped off their whole time owning the vehicle. Me, it's all effort and ease. And yes, Tahoe or 'burb all day long!
Vintage465 02/21/21 09:33am Tow Vehicles
RE: Drilling holes in trailer roof to install solar: worth it?

IMHO, drilling holes in the roof is a moot point now. We have so many good products from sealing to gathering and penetration design that there is little to worry about from a product or leak perspective. I think the issue is more with your situation is your self proclaimed lack of Handy-ability. I've been on my roof regularly with my weight varying from 215 to 260 pounds and have done no damage. Actually I repaired a broken(cut actually) truss, so my roof is better off with me tramping about on it. It could be possible to minimize the amount of time you're on the roof by using a ladder. Or possibly if you have a buddy that is handy, you could assist him with the work while he spear-heads it.
Vintage465 02/20/21 07:57am Do It Yourself Modifications and Upgrades (DIY)
RE: Lance Travel Trailer v. Grand Design Imagine Travel Trailer

I own an ORV and no way is the quality on par with Lance. I've walked around and through many Lance products and while they have some quirky ideas the overall fit and finish is above ORV. Walk on an ORV roof and it will flex too. 3/8" ply is not that strong. Lance roofs are now slightly crowned and have no attic where mold can grow. They also use Azdel and are less susceptible to delam and mold in the walls. Lance uses GY tires but has torsion axles. They're not apples to apples. ORV is designed for a different clientele. Off the subject a bit....but Lance does have a nicer fit and finish than and ORV. And Lance's roof instills a lot of confidence walking on it compared to the ORV, though I've had no issues with my roof.....and I think Azdel is the way to go in the future.....having said that I think at the end of 20 years my ORV will still be more solid than my brothers Lance because the ORV frame is quite a bit stronger than the Lances. Just IMHO............
Vintage465 02/19/21 02:22pm Travel Trailers
RE: Lance Travel Trailer v. Grand Design Imagine Travel Trailer

I have experience with all three of these units. My brother has a Lance and it is a fine quality rig with little to be unhappy about. The Frame is sort of iffy in my opinion as is the torsion axles as I like to be able to take the coach off road regularly. Lance's Frame is not a real rugged unit in my observation. As far as comparing a Grand Design to a Lance, they are in two different levels and aren't apples for apples. Lance is a step or two above the Grand least I'd be comfy say a 2017 Lance and a 2017 Grand Design aren't on the same level. If I was picking one of the two it would depend on if I do mostly hwy driving or mostly boon docking off road. Hwy...Lance, Off road, prolly the Grand Design as it has an I-beam frame and conventional of 2017 that is.
Vintage465 02/19/21 02:16pm Travel Trailers
RE: Using RV generator as backup for house?

If you run extension cords to the necessary appliances and use them as required you're good to go. If you want to wire it into a few necessary circuits in your house you need to install a legal transfer switch to prevent back feed into the utilities grid. If you do back feed into the utilities grid you will be going back thru the transformer that feeds your house and re-energizing the primary voltage and endangering the utility companies employees as well as the general public.
Vintage465 02/16/21 09:12pm Tech Issues
RE: Chicken Bog

Real Food.......what a concept. So many people eat out of boxes and packages now-a-days. Sounds like a winner for sure
Vintage465 02/12/21 07:28am Camp Cooks and Connoisseurs
RE: Leaf Spring Replacement

I would think with as many miles as you have on yours and they have good arc, your springs are "proven". I had a spring break with about 30,000 miles on our trailer. It was a right rear spring that broke 4" from the rear-most eye. The axle slid forward and the two tires started rubbing together and incinerating at about 60mph....pretty exciting time there for a few minutes, but I managed to get it off the road before things went catastrophic. That caused me to buy 4 new springs and up the spring capacity from 1750's to 2500's. I noticed two things about my springs; one, there was a very visible flaw in the manufacturing that caused the failure. two, the distance from the eye to the next leaf in the "spring pack" was about 6". On the new springs the distance from the eye is about 2". I like that better. Also, I did a ton of research and calling and as far as I can tell, there are no springs for trailers made in USA. You can have springs made, but it will be about $2000.00. All trailer springs are made in China or India. So I would say....since I think it is a gamble buying anything from China or India, If what you have is working, keep it til it starts to look iffy cause it's hard to be certain you'll get a good set of springs.
Vintage465 02/12/21 07:23am Travel Trailers
RE: Dump Station Etiquette???

36guy, what do you do with the leather gloves when you are all done? I use disposable gloves from Harbor Freight and toss them after dumping. Good question? If they are already full of diesel fuel, he may have a sealing bag or tote to keep them in. I am hoping that anyone behind him, at the diesel pump, has some disposable gloves to wear. If you need to wear gloves for these dirty jobs, then IMO, you need to toss them after use. Myself, at the dump station, I seldom use any gloves, but I have a ready container of sanitizing towels, that I use after handling sewer equipment. I still wash good with soap & water, before eating my sandwich!! Jerry I bought a dispenser that holds a box of disposable gloves and I fastened to one of the inside of one of pass thru doors. Toss 'em when you're done!
Vintage465 02/11/21 08:34am Travel Trailers
RE: Small Grills

I have a Weber Q1000. Being a Weber it is of high quality. I think it is a great gas grill as far as gas grills go. I also made a metal plate griddle of 3/16" plate for breakfast cookig. For good meat grilling I think the Vector Smoke Hollow. It is very adjustable, has wide window of temperature, and you can get real smoke from real wood. I've made as good a ribs on it as my regular Weber Kettle.
Vintage465 02/07/21 09:12pm Camp Cooks and Connoisseurs
RE: Dump Station Etiquette???

Picking up our first trailer next month and doing the rounds on youtube on how to empty you black tank. Question for you guys: Are you allowed to rinse the tank after emptying when you are at the station or is that frowned upon? If they have a non potable water hose with a hose fitting on the end that's not been run over........I hook that up to the sani-flush while the black tank is draining. I turn it on soon as it hooked up so it gets a start on the rinse. Then when the black appears to be draining just flush water, I close the black valve, I open the gray water. When the gray is done, I close it and open the black tank to dump the flush water. This usually doesn't hold anyone up. But usually the non potable water hose either has no end or it's been run over.
Vintage465 02/07/21 08:57pm Travel Trailers
RE: Calling on Solar Techies

I guess the only thing I'd add is to check ALL, that's ALL solar panel foot print size vs watts. I've found that most solar panels from 150w to 200w seem to be within and inch either way of the same size. If I knew more about solar when I got mine(from the dealer!)I'd have 600w of solar right now instead of 450w with the same amount real estate usage on the roof.
Vintage465 01/26/21 09:12pm Tech Issues
RE: Behold! to solar project monster!!!

There is just something about the satisfying feeling of taking something apart and reassembling it the way you want it and being "Done" with it. I did this 2 years ago with my solar, though there was no where near the "re-construction" on mine that there is on yours. Mine was a matter of replacing junky products, adding better conductors and placing the controller where it belonged. Works perfect now! Yours will too!
Vintage465 01/09/21 08:38am Do It Yourself Modifications and Upgrades (DIY)
RE: Do I need my fan on when cooking in the oven?

I think if you run your fan at home when you cook, you'd prolly want to run you fan in your coach when you cook. Also, in my opinion it would depend on what you're cooking. Frying something.....yes, boiling something..yes to remove moisture. As mentioned earlier, a fantastic fan can also remove steam, moisture from boiling water faster and quieter than the kitchen fan. I like to run the fan when cooking bacon or sausage. That way the neighbors can smell the yummies. Now if they're Vegans.......They can smell my coffee perking.........Now, if they're Vegans that don't drink coffee........I have a larger challenge in front of me!
Vintage465 01/09/21 08:20am Camp Cooks and Connoisseurs
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