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RE: purchased a custom dune sport toyhauler

btw, not sure what tires you ordered yours with but i ordered mine with sailun 235-80x16's s637 14 ply. sailun has a tire recall right now on anything with a date stand of 4120 and numerically lower. mine is a tandem but i have 2 spare tires. i never travel with just 1 for my own reasons. 4 out of 6 of mine are part of the recall and i mine was finished oct '21. the tires they installed on mine were technically a year old already. if yours are sailun then look at the dot # and the last 4 digits are the date code.
dsrace 01/25/22 02:46pm Toy Haulers
RE: purchased a custom dune sport toyhauler

insetting the sink really opens the floor up for a spot to dry off and/or getting dressed. def post up pics of the solar install. that should work well for you.
dsrace 01/24/22 12:40pm Toy Haulers
RE: purchased a custom dune sport toyhauler

Yes, my trailer does have a fresh water dump valve. It is a 1” line that goes to both 50g tanks. It hangs lower than I like. I would have preferred a 1/2” line on the side. Our water pump is also noisy. I haven’t figured out if I need to prime it or do something different. The first time we used it we didn’t really notice any noise. Our furnace is also in the bottom cabinets, but we do not have any ducting. We do not have a front bedroom. I think the flexible line might be increasing noise level, I just need to spend some time to investigate. mine has the same fresh water dump valve. low point drains are the red and blue hot and cold water lines hanging below the floor with shut off valves on them. the purpose of those is so that you can drain the vast majority of the water from the water lines. i usually open a faucet at the highest point to help them drain. still have to drain the water heater separately. did you opt for the full 3k lb 8' tall ramp gate? i did and it's still steep enough that i winch my sand rail in. that and it's easier/simpler with the winch remote to walk beside it up the ramp. i was looking at our water pump and i think some dense foam rubber may help. there are quieter models out there as well and may just swap it. it's not the worse but i can hear it while i am in the shower rinsing the shampoo off my head. having said that.....i have not tried it since i installed the winterization kit with shut off valves. the fact that the check valve was allowing water to fill up our fresh water tanks my impact the pump to a point. def never built the psi it should've with that much water bypassing. nice pictures and i bet that one tows very nice. plenty of room for family of 4 in there especially compared to the genesis supreme overnighter. how much solar do you pan on installing? how do you like the pass through storage in the nose? we had to sacrifice that to have to bedroom moved forward that 16" so scoot the bathroom and kitchen forward for 14' or true cargo length. i have been very impressed with 12 volt fridge in ours! night and day difference compared to a standard rv absorption fridge!! i tried to talk my wife into a single burner 2 volt induction cook top but she refused. we opted for the 2 burner lp with glass lid, flush mount. she now wish's she would've chose the induction cook top.i would've had to purchase and ship them the cook top but they would've installed it. even a 120volt model would've taken up less space. in the 10 years we owned our fifthwheel toyhauler we maybe used the stove top 4 times and that was do to bad weather. https://youtu.be/v5hl5z875Vk i like the looks of the white units. didnt think i would so i opted for the grey/dark silver metal flake. i do like the way it looks but it does absorb heat as one would think. on a 85* ambient day my ir temp gun showed 120* on the siding that had been in the sun all day. no big deal as we have 2-13500 roof ac units in a 26' box. the rolled insulation kept it from bleeding through as well. i like the control plate you made.
dsrace 01/24/22 09:48am Toy Haulers
RE: purchased a custom dune sport toyhauler

scott sd, maybe look into timbrens before air bags. i think the timbrens will have far less effect on an empty ride over air bags. i still have not used my furnace but i was in the toyhauler looking at a couple things. my furnace is mounted underneath the kitchen sink. it dumps right out at the base of the cabinet for the main living area. there is what appears ( didn't measure it) to be a 4" flex tube that runs through the wall under the shower base. it reduces to what appears to be 2" ( using pvc fittings) under there and T's to feed the bathroom and bedroom. i am no hvac expert but that would seem to me to be choking the air flow down quite a bit. i don't know until i try it i guess. everywhere we go has electrical hook ups including st anthony sand dunes. hell half the site at idaho rv dunes park have sewer as well. the oklahoma dunes campgrounds have similar with all private campgrounds having full hook ups and the states just water and electricity. now water pressure may only be 25 psi sometimes but technically they have water hook ups lol other time it may be 65 psi so i have a regulator for that reason. many trips down there were it's best to fill the fresh and use the pump. now our water pump is a bit noisy imo and the check valve leaks. after 3 says hooked up to city water the check valve leaked enough it filled out 100 gal fresh tanks. i said something to dune sport and they said they would send me a new pump and i have yet to see it. i have a shut off valve inline with the winterization kit i installed after the last trip so it cannot happen again. i didn't know i was carrying apprx 100 gal's of water until i got home and pulled the valve while winterizing it. did you toyhauler come with low point drains? mine has a sticker on the frame that says low point drains but none to be found. i will add them this summer.
dsrace 01/23/22 05:32am Toy Haulers
RE: purchased a custom dune sport toyhauler

We ordered our CF model with a fiberglass front and corrugated sides for the same reasons (weight and cost). Trailer weight is around 5500, not sure on the tongue weight, but it is heavy. Still playing with the weight distribution hitch. My truck is leveled and squats too much, I might add some air bags. We used the trailer this past weekend in the desert. Still trying to figure out how everything works. I have a punchlist of things I would like to add or change. One of the first items I plan to work on this week is to shorten the dinette table. With both the sofa and dinette folded out, there is only about a 1' gap, the dinette sticks out and reduces that space by about 4". Another issue is the furnace is very loud and impacts our sleep. It seems to kick on right when you just entering deep sleep and sounds like a hurricane. When hook-ups are available, we can use a small electric heater. Boondocking, we need the furnace. I need to find a better solution. What I do not like about all trailers is the build quality. I worked in automotive product development early in my career and comparatively, trailers are primitive and built with off-the-shelf components. Certain details just seem low quality. This isn't a Dune Sport issue, it is an industry wide issue. So far, I am happy with my Dune Sport trailer. They custom made it just the way I wanted. I would not have been happy with any other trailer. Pics are still pending.... if it helps i use https://postimages.org/ just select the the url link to post. that is lighter then i thought it would be. you are correct on camper builds lol not only are they off the shelf but they will not modify them off the shelf at all. have not tried the furnace yet in mine an probably should!
dsrace 01/19/22 12:20pm Toy Haulers
RE: purchased a custom dune sport toyhauler

Thanks for the detailed write-up on your TH. I ordered a 24' TH from Dune Sport last year and took delivery about 2 weeks ago. You have a lot of interesting options I did not even know were available. A winch would have been nice. Mine is also very custom. I wanted the shortest trailer possible that would fit my baja bug or a 4 seat CanAm (dreaming). We picked it up after Christmas and only spent one night outside of Phoenix before heading home. I will post some pics later today. Some options I asked for were: 200ah lithium Amazon battery, located in the front storage area Solar prewire in 3 places I made a control panel and sent it to them to install LED lights inside with a dimmer LEDs outside, 1000 lumens on the sides, and 2700 lumens in the back Double bunk happy jack Inset the bathroom vanity into the nose The large 12v fridge, which I really like also We only asked for a stovetop, no oven. Instead I asked for the microwave to be placed under the stovetop. Located in the overhead cabinet was just too tall for my wife. We wanted a TH that could suit all of our wants. We can use it as a camper, go to the desert with some toys, and I can pull it with my F150. I did not ask for a generator or fueling station. I plan to install 800w of solar on the roof, 200w on a ground mount, with a Victron invertor. I have a small suitcase generator that works well and can supplement the solar. We have been adding a few details and are getting ready to boondock for a few days in the desert this weekend. We have never owned a travel trailer or you hauler before, so this has been a learning experience. So far, I really like it. def post some pics of your toyhauler! i hope your toyhauler works out exactly as you want it too. the solar pre wire was cheap for only missing the solar panels. i bought 2-100 watt renogy panels to complete it. also had the tv mount in the bedroom wired for a 12 volt tv because if i add on it will be a 12 volt like the ceiling mount. we originally decided on a 24' with upper bunk and reversable couch on the lower. they told us they could still offer the side patio in the 24' dx or cds floor plan. in the dx they were willing to rotate the counter top to the front wall and add a flip up countertop extension as we did in our current modified 26' fb floor plan. what is your dry weight and tongue weight? did you spend the extra for fiberglass or opt for the aluminum? our floor plan........ https://i.postimg.cc/RNPHSC1L/26-FBSP-Eddy-Validatioin-FP2.png stock fb floor plan..... https://i.postimg.cc/62sZkHVs/1a.jpg
dsrace 01/16/22 09:13pm Toy Haulers
RE: purchased a custom dune sport toyhauler

just for reference..... forward to 1:47 and watch to 2:02 you'll see this toyhauler and sand rail. that rail is 13' 2" long and weights 1960 wet. cannot be backed in as the rear track width is 90" where the front is 80". that side patio wall bumps in 8" plus the flip up counter top on left side eats 3" only leaving 85". perfect for the front but not the rear. pulled in the rail fits perfectly and the tie downs are where i requested and line up with the weld on brackets for straps. https://youtu.be/r7T2WwzjZPI
dsrace 12/14/21 08:31pm Toy Haulers
RE: purchased a custom dune sport toyhauler

I like that little pass-through storage bay. Maybe build a little shelf partition to split it into a top and bottom. You can keep whips and flagpoles on the top, and then put your stinky hose on the bottom. great idea. you could store sealed agm or lithium batts in there as well to keep them out of the weather. i bought a 6 pole fishing rod holder and mounted it to the wall above the cabinet. this holds my lighted whips and standard whips along with the 2 antenas i have for my rugged radio car to car radio. i have a plastic stinky slinky tube on the side.
dsrace 12/14/21 08:28pm Toy Haulers
RE: purchased a custom dune sport toyhauler

I love it and the price sounds very reasonable for a completely custom rig. i believe so as well.
dsrace 12/14/21 08:26pm Toy Haulers
RE: purchased a custom dune sport toyhauler

Very cool, hope you enjoy it for a long time. once we get a few issues fixed i believe we will.
dsrace 12/14/21 08:26pm Toy Haulers
RE: purchased a custom dune sport toyhauler

Thx for sharing and great looking rig! And fwiw, the price did not seem out of line. the price was pretty inline for the unit for sure. we did add $18k in options over base price. it has all the options we want none we don't. they offer fueling stations but we cannot use them as my rail runs on e85 which destroys rv fueling stations.
dsrace 12/14/21 08:25pm Toy Haulers
RE: purchased a custom dune sport toyhauler

That's a bitchen rig! thanks
dsrace 12/14/21 08:23pm Toy Haulers
RE: purchased a custom dune sport toyhauler

Sound good :) I don't have a dune sport toyhauler but I am planning to purchase :) just for reference..... pics of my price list and how they price options out. https://i.postimg.cc/bDbz2t4N/26-FBSP-Eddy-Validatioin-PO2-jpg-Page-1.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/cg6FD7d0/26-FBSP-Eddy-Validatioin-PO2-jpg-Page-2-posting-version.jpg
dsrace 12/12/21 11:01am Toy Haulers
RE: purchased a custom dune sport toyhauler

another fyi they do offer a pass through storage area in the nose. they don't list it on there option sheet or didn't. i didn't want 32' on the bumper so i asked what i could do to move the bed forward, to stay with 30' oal on the bumper. they were willing to re design the front wall, deleting that 16" of dead space the pass through storage would've used and moved the bed forward 16" thus moving the bathroom and kitchen walls forward as well. this is the only way we were able to get 14' of cargo length in the main area. didn't charge extra for it and again, one has to ask. https://i.postimg.cc/XryYdmRg/187954983-779121696122403-8342765256165723329-n.jpg this 2nd pic is of the first floor plan they drew up for us but required a 28' floor 32' oal. i still really like it. https://i.postimg.cc/mhQqzwpF/28-CBBSS36-X36-Eddy-FP1.png
dsrace 12/12/21 10:41am Toy Haulers
RE: purchased a custom dune sport toyhauler

one thing i should add about that reversible sofa bed..... that is a lippert product, as far as i know. they are under designed and over spec'd imo. we really like that couch, very comfortable and suits our wants perfectly! having said that, the frame is to weak for 3 women each under 150lbs, to sit on. the frame didn't collapse but it has a bow in it now. i can straighten it and will ad some support legs to the center. if anyone opts for one of those just know that you will want to add support to the center of it before use. i do want to add that i do not , never have nor ever will like the looks of corrugated siding. yes, i ordered mine with it in a dark grey. they offer it in a light grey as well and would prob go that rt if i were to do it again. i opted for it because it was 700 lbs lighter and $3500 cheaper then the fiberglass siding ( tech fylon siding). todays fylon has a shorter life span from what i have seen. maybe it's the installation method maybe a lower quality material, i don't know. this corrugated siding in dark grey has a heavy metal flake that looks really good! on a 85* sunny day, the siding in direct sun light measured 120* with my ir temp gun. the lighter grey/silver might do better but i just couldn't stand the white. i knew it the darker grey would be hotter but so far the batt insulation did it's job and stayed very nice inside. the attwood air command roof ac's they use are amazing!!! while running, on low fan, 9 amp draw and so quiet you can comfortably speak with someone inside. they are not ducted either. our last toyhauler, the roof ac was so loud on low fan you **** near had to yell! these air commands are quieter then the ducted roof ac that was in our wolf pack 295 fiver toyhauler. now , one thing dunesport didn't do, i wish i had known they didn't do it, is to remote the control pad off the face of the ac unit down to the wall. attwood sells an extension cord for this purpose. it's possible they don't know about it as well. the remotes work nice but i don't like relying on batteries. the ac in the bedroom is no problem as i can reach that one while standing on the floor. my wife cannot but i can. the 8' tall side walls make a step stool necessary to reach the one in the living area. not a problem but again, would've been nice to have the control panels wall mounted. this is not a complaint, just an fyi to anyone thinking about these ac units. dometic does make 24 volt roof ac units now, not sure what btu ratings currently but that is what i would want if i did it again. the 10 cu ft dometic 12 volt fridge we opted for is supposedly capable of 24 volt operation as well. so the ac's and fridge on 24 volts would make for a nice boon docking option with a solar charging system and lithium battery bank. just an fyi
dsrace 12/12/21 10:00am Toy Haulers
RE: purchased a custom dune sport toyhauler

Thanks for sharing your detailed experience with them. They've been around for sometime and mostly some pretty good reports, but none had shared as many details as you have. Hope for many miles of trouble free trips for you with it, let us know how things go. thanks Y-guy haven't gotten there yet but hope to. i believe they have been around since the late 90's but have been bought and sold a couple times? not sure but under new ownership since i believe 2014 maybe. the new owner can be difficult to deal with but all in all he did finally admit to his mistakes and seems to be correcting them. that's why i said, i believe they have great potential. they are the only company i found that actually custom builds. stw trailers claims to but they don't return email or calls rather then saying no they cannot.
dsrace 12/12/21 09:53am Toy Haulers
RE: purchased a custom dune sport toyhauler

Sound good :) I don't have a dune sport toyhauler but I am planning to purchase :) i have had issues with this company and all companies have issues of course. they worked with me on the 1st few and say they will on the current few but i have yet to see anything in the last month or so. time will tell on that front. if you are going to order one, make sure they stick to the cad print/design. be adamant that they provide updated ACTUAL cad drawings along the way. make sure they know that any unauthorized change will not be accepted and that you will receive a refund of your deposit. i did not type that to steer you away and as i stated i do believe they have real potential, but..... they have some issues in that department. also, depending on where you are located, they do not insulate the floors. they did not tell me this, i would've paid extra for the insulation, as i was wanting all the sound deadening i could get. they did want an extra $700 for a layer of thermal foil and i didn't opt for it but should've. the two ac units handle hot weather no problem what so ever, but that extra layer would've been nice. they do not offer that as an option but will do it. again you have to ask lol they can and will add 99% of the option in the rv market even though they do not advertise them. one has to know to ask though. DO NOT opt for a manual awning from them. they are in capable of properly sizing a manual awning for campers. they use short arms better suited for slide truck campers. they honestly didn't know dometic offered 5 diff heights of side rail arms until i sent them a link to the chart. i know most won't opt for manual awnings these days but i used to use them in every option and they are superior to power awnings. they can install power awnings no problem! they do not advertise the installed winch, so you will have to ask for that option. if your toy is 2k lbs then go 4k lbs or stronger as they use harbor freight winch's. the winch option came in very handy as i locked my trans up on the last dune trip. the winch failed 3/4 way up the ramp gate due to loose connections. i did not check them prior and it went into thermal overload so we pushed it the rest of the way up. the 3500 lbs winch struggled as well and i didn't have a snatch block with me. well worth the $500 or $550 option but make sure and check the +/- connection on the winch before hand. they said they are warranting the winch but i have not received the replacement in the last month and a half. the motor now sounds like it has gravel inside it so i do not trust it anymore. i already bought a 4500 lbs winch to replace it so if they do send the replacement i will add that to my flat bed. another point of interest..... they offer a 200 watt solar package for $1k. they do not advertise it but they offer a solar prep for $179! that solar prep is......renogy adventuer pwm 30 amp conroller, wired to the batt and up to the roof. they run a pvc pipe up with a sewer vent cap on it. if you are capable of installing the panels your self then that's the way to go. they do not include the batt temp probe so you have to specifically request that be added. it does make a diff on charging rates, maybe not huge diff's but some. i opted for the renogy 200 ah agm batt ( $450) but they can do lithium. they do not come with low point water line drain valves so add that if desired. the low point drain sticker is on my frame but no water line drains. they didn't tell me that or i would've. i ordered the installed winterization assy but they forgot to install it. they sent it to me later on and i installed it myself as i have all the pex tools. mine is a 101" wide model. i was not informed that they do not use 101" long panels on the roof. they used 8' with a 5" spliced in pieces at the end. i do not like that as i can see every seam and eventually that will cut through the roof. luckily mine is stored in a building out of the rain and snow. i would've gladly paid extra for 1 piece panels with seam tape over the seams vs cut and spliced pieces with no seam tape. since these are completely custom, if you don't ask they won't tell. you may not know to ask but if the vast majority of the industry does it one way ....... don't assume they do it the same way. as this is my floor plan design, we are obviously very happy with the floor plan. it is a one of a kind after all ! we have had issues with the toyhauler and hope to have the remainder of them rectified before spring. just words of advice..... not a deterrent from ordering with them. just advice from a customer that i wish i had gotten prior.
dsrace 12/12/21 09:48am Toy Haulers
purchased a custom dune sport toyhauler

We purchased a custom dune sport toyhauler. received it in early oct, sadly only had time for one trip. this is the only company that i know of that actually allows one to draw your own floor plan, down to the floor tie downs. this floor plan is my design, specifically for i and my wifes use. to haul our sand rail to the sand dunes, with the occasional camping trip. clearly this floor plan isn't for everyone as no one design fits the majority. we had some requirements and #1 on the list was nothing over 32' on the bumper. i had a 35' in the past and that was horrible to tow in the wind and 95% of the time the wind is blowing as i usually cross three state lines to either sand dunes i visit. nothing on the market under 32' even that has a true 14' of cargo and 4k lbs plus ccc. my sand rail is 13'2" oal , 80" track width front, 92" track width rear. 1960 lbs wet. i wanted 14' of cargo length as wide as possible. informed the salesmen it would be impossible to back it in so min 20% tw preferred. they can only do what they can do as they order there frames from lippert as most do. as they are custom units i had to ask i opted for 16" black steel rims with salun 235-85x16 G range ( 14 ply) tires. they installed an H frame with two tire winches bolted to it for the spare tire carrier. its under the frame up against the back door. there is room to move it close to the nose. which i will do as it's tongue lite with my 2k lb sand rail pulled in. i added a 46lb v shaped steel tool box to the nose with my 120 lbs of tools. i have not weighed the wheels but aprrx 200lbs in tires, steel framed carrier and tire winches. that has to go upfront as well. we were so tongue lite for our maiden voyage that the sway ( in a dead side wind) moved my f350 drw diesel side to side. i stopped, moved the two spares to the bed of my truck and my 120lbs of tools up against the bed on the floor. took 85% of that sway out immediately. empty it tows exceptionally well. my aftermarket hitch is rated for 2200 lbs tw so the additional weight it not/will not be an issue. 30' oal with 26' floor 12'6" tall to ac (personaly verified) 7200 lbs/1200 tw side patio with railings true 8' tall 3k lbs rated ramp door 1000 lumen lights on all 4 sides reversible sofa couch bed on hapijac bed lift ( a must have for us) ceiling mount tv that directly faces the couch 12v dometic fridge - we personally will never go back to lp after having this convection microwave oven 2 burner flush mount lp cook top turned sideways as we don't use it corian counter tops with under mount sink porcelin toilet 2- 13,500 non ducted attwood air command-amazing how quiet they are! 100 gal fresh 50 gal black/grey his/her wards 3' flip up corian counter top with no base cabinet for cargo width 12 volt blu ray player i purchased and shipped 3 in one winnegaurd omni 360 plus i sent ( one hole vs 3 in roof) 3 dual channel speaker systems i sent as well solar prep, pre wired to roof and batt with 30 amp controller $179 7k lb axles for 16" wheel and bigger brakes, 6600lb ccc 3500 lb winch mounted in the base under the fridge $550 10 gal electric/lp water heater a number of other options. $26k base price , $44k final price they do offer stick and tin or aluminum and fiber glass or a combo of both. i opted for stick and tin for the batt insulation, with a fiber glass nose. i did so as sound deadening is more important for us. i owned an aluminum walled toyahuler and it had horrible sound deadening. we do not winter camp, the dunes are 24/7 and loud. this is the reason for 2- ac units in a 26' box. the bedroom is 6'4" deep x 8' wide, with its own ac....aka the meat locker res queen mattress as well. def quiet inside so perfect for the two of us. very comfortable inside the toyhauler. i do understand that turning the rear deck into a patio is cheaper/lighter weight then a side patio. we do not like raising and lowering a bed and/or couches to use it. we do use the patio and really enjoy it. we had a rear patio on the last toyhauler and used it on every trip. didn't want any sofa/dinettes on the side walls for full width use. the rev sofa bed on the hapijac is perfect. didn't want any slide outs, yes they do add a lot of room but can become headaches as well. they do offer slide outs as well. the salesman was very helpful and accommodating during the design process. i was and still am impressed we got all this in 26' of floor. that's all i care to say on that subject, thus far. in the pics, the fiberglass skins/doors are not white, they just look diff with the direction of the sun. if anyone else has purchased a dune sport toyhauler or has any comments/experiences..... feel free to voice your opinions. seriously, good and/or bad are welcome.the electrician did an amazing job, cleanest wiring/routing job i have ever seen. the plumber as well from what i can see. i can honestly say that i believe this company has great potential. https://i.postimg.cc/RNHQ2HMv/26-FBSP-Eddy-Validatioin-FP2-jpg-Page-1.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/w7XRhcqR/DSC-0002.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/67m89M0g/DSC-0004.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/JynyVfbj/DSC-0006.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/1468QcN7/DSC-0008.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/K3yvzwgq/DSC-0012.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/30gNFYTQ/DSC-0016.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/cgtr6fkH/DSC-0018.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/tsD1cqVX/DSC-0019.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/HVgVscwY/DSC-0021.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/FYPRZT2z/DSC-0026.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/qzxgtJw8/DSC-0027.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/q6XBCwsk/DSC-0030.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/w1xMLC4n/DSC-0032.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/phjLPRy5/DSC-0033.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/67gQsy6N/DSC-0038.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/4mPNf84P/DSC-0039.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/75QH7f2T/DSC-0041.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/ZWqYCrCS/DSC-0042.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/Jtbzgr99/DSC-0043.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/56b2McJj/DSC-0044.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/6729htrb/DSC-0045.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/T5GfGbZB/DSC-0046.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/8sV6s0Dg/DSC-0049.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/2bnrPGX4/DSC-0054.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/zLsqt6pz/DSC-0057.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/RJR90Fmh/DSC-0059.jpg
dsrace 12/12/21 08:39am Toy Haulers
RE: anyone seen one of these in person?

yes, toyhaulers typically have much heavier tongue weights then tt as they need to counter balance toys. each manufacturer is diff depending on what they spec the toyhaulers out for on ccc. there are a lot of manufacturers that advertise one can haul their sxs's in them when they cannot. not enough ccc to haul most if not all 2 seat turbo 1000 sxs's. i say this by either lack of width for track width with larger tires with diff offsets or not enough length and usually not enough ccc. now i have owned 5 toyhaulers in the last 25 years. i do not have the tow time or experience of valhalla360, but i have owned/towed 1 38' GN enclosed and 1 34' FW in that time. i owned the 34' FW toyhauler for 10 years and every dune trip was either 14 hr round trip or 32 hr round trip, oklahoma or idaho dunes. someone mentioned ..... " By moving the hitch point further forward, it will reduce the percentage hitch weight." i will be the first to admit that i could be wrong about this ( as i am no expert) but wouldn't the 350lb GN assy increase TW by 350 lbs?? i understand that it creates a longer lever as in 6' longer, as it has to reach to the center of an 8' box. that longer lever shouldn't decrease TW or pin weight in the case of a GN. or am i envisioning that incorrectly?? here is why i have been looking at this particular bolt on conversion. i recently purchased a new custom toyhauler. empty it's 7200lbs with 1200 lbs TW. i asked that it be built with 20 to 25% TW as my sand rail is 1960 lbs wet. i have a 2 seat mid engine turbo 4 cyl sand rail. 60% of that 1960lbs is tech behind the axles. my 1st trip was in 45 mph gusting winds crossing 3 state lines. i kept my '99 f350 quad cab drw diesel as truck are crazy right now and i have owned and maintained this one for 14 years now. i only used it to toy the toyhaulers so it just turned 139k miles. i use the anderson wdh with sway control on this current toyhauler and the last. the last didn't work out so i sold it 1.5 years into ownership. so loaded for a dune trip, 30' AOL with 26' of floor,12'6" to top of ac unit, apprx 10500 lbs loaded, this thing began to throw my dually around. the absolute worst was in dead side winds. the diag wind was concerning but not horrible. that 7hr drive to took 9 hrs! i stopped 4 times to adjust the wdh, little by little and it did not good. i had had to hit the brake controller lever twice as the trailer began to whip. 5hrs in i finally had enough, stopped and pulled the 2 spare tires from underneath rear end. they are held by an steel H frame with 2 tire winches, underneath up against the tail/ramp gate area. 2-235-85x16 14 ply salun's on black steel rims. not light weight and overkill for 2-7k lb axles. i moved them to the bed of the truck. i took my 120lb tool box ( yes i have weighed it) and placed that in the front bedroom to add TW. that took 85% of the sway out instantly. there is room in the from behind the tongue to move the spare tire carrier up front. i have not weighed the wheels but pretty sure there 65 to 70 lbs each plus the frame with winches. i purchased a 46lb steel wedge shaped tool box for the tongue. i can put my tools in there to add additional TW. i told the salesman when i submitted my floor plan, that i cannot back the rail in. this is why i requested the additional TW. they use lippert frames and get what they get i guess but as they are a customer builder i asked anyway. yes the simple solution is to back it in. i am 90" wide with paddles in the rear and 80" in the front. there is only 84" of floor in the 1st half of the 14' of cargo area. scab wheel might work but i didn't buy custom to have to swap tires out. i did not stop at a scale on the way either and should've as i passed 2 that were very busy. my thoughts with the bolt on GN was that an additional 350lbs of that hitch, plus the tool box and/or spare tire carrier should balance me out and add a huge level of control in side winds. what i like about this one is that it is removable if i sell the toyhauler down the road. i do not foresee that as it is a one of kind with a floor plan i have never seen before tailor made for i an my wife. this is why i posted the link and asked. i appreciate all opinions and info!! i was considering a hensley or pro pride hitch but as i already have a GN ball for my fiver plates this works for the same price plus appears to add TW, imo. one interesting note. the last sand dune trip was my 1st with this toyhauler. i had the trailer loaded and leveled with the truck sitting very close to level. on the way back i stopped to dump the tanks as the site i was in doesn't have sewer. dump station is only 4 miles away. while at the dump station i noticed the nose of the camper was high. i thought it must be a slight hump in the dump station pad and didn't give it a second thought. we got lucky with a diag tail wind for 75% of the drive home. i do get lucky sometimes i guess lol so at our 1st fuel stop the trailer still looked nose high. the truck still looked level but the back end of the trailer was low. i turned on the level mate pro and it read 1.5" nose high. i grabbed a tape measure and read 2" nose high. i had no idea how that could happen. 4 hrs from home so just continued on down the road. wind shifted at salina kanasas as it always does! now we were fighting sway in cross wind conditions as the road curved. i was a little surprised ad i shifted another 70 lbs to the nose and thought that would help for the trip home. it wasn't bad but i did slow down when i saw it coming. tall grass in the ditches plus trees were helpful signs. got home and immediately proceeded to winterize it as below freezing nights were forecast for our area. i had drained my fresh water tanks a few days before we left and we were hooked to city water in our camp slip. i pulled the drain valve to see if there was a little bit left and it looked like someone knocked the head off a fire hydrant! the drain valve on the 2 50 gal fresh tanks is a 1.5" dia discharge. its huge but drains quickly! apparently the check valve in the brand new water pump had a slow leak. for 3 days it filled up our 2-50 gal tanks or very close to full. one tank is over the front axle and the other forward of the front axle. that apprx 800lbs squatted the back end 1.5 to 2" apparently and added a little sway back to the drive home. i have never had that happen in all the toyhaulers i have owned.
dsrace 12/12/21 08:27am Toy Haulers
anyone seen one of these in person?

has anyone seen one of these in person or used one before? converts a bumper hitch to gooseneck with a bolt on GK hitch. looks like a clean way to go..... imo it does anyway. i have been considering this as i seem to get caught in the wind on 90% of my trips. https://www.bpconversions.com/
dsrace 12/04/21 05:43am Toy Haulers
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