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RE: Bunkhouses similar to 272BHS with light hitch weight

Pardon me if I come across as frustrated with this post, but if we can’t depend on ANY numbers from the vehicle or the RV manufacturer to be correct, then how has anyone ever purchased a vehicle and RV and known they were within their limits until after the fact? Maybe we’ll just rent whatever model we’re thinking of buying and take it to the scale. Even then, that particular trailer isn’t going to weigh the same as the specific one we’ll be buying. Sorry that the answers you are getting do not fit your idea of a proper tow vehicle/trailer match. Folks ARE giving you straight up GOOD ADVICE on tongue weight, I would REALLY RECOMMEND HEEDING THIS ADVICE. 10% tongue weight is THE ABSOLUTE MINIMUM, it IS LESS THAN IDEAL putting YOU AND YOUR FAMILY IN TO A PLACE YOU DO NOT WISH TO GO. That is especially true when "Mr MURPHY" decides to cross your path at the wrong time (like going down hill on a major Interstate at say 70 MPH and a deer jumps across the road). That is when you WILL be WISHING you had 15% tongue weight or more.. For each % above 10% you will find the trailer will track better and be much more stable. Some say 12%, some say 13% but personally, myself I LOVE 15%.. Yeah, I HAVE encountered not once but TWICE deer running right across the road while on a major Interstate while running 70 MPH.. Both times I was able to fully keep control of my vehicle and trailer without even changing lanes. Granted in both cases I am driving a F250 with 6500 lbs of 26 ft trailer behind me and not once did it ever feel like I was about to lose control. My tongue weight? 975 lbs loaded.. 15% Empty weight of 5500 lbs I have 770 lbs on the tongue or 14%. You simply will not like how your trailer tows if you run 10% tongue weight and most likely will be back complaining about it.. Tongue weight is your friend.. I understand what you’re saying and that’s fine. My frustration comes from the inability to calculate ANY weight to ANY certain degree seeing as how it’s impossible to know that any weight is actually accurate from the manufacturer. How has anyone ever purchased a vehicle and camper and known they’d be compatible if we can’t rely on payload numbers or tongue weight numbers from the manufacturer? There are a lot of campers I’ve looked at that state they have close to 3k lbs cargo carrying capacity. I’ve dragged out everything we had in our old camper and weighed it, plus weighed way more clothes than we’d ever bring realistically, plus so much more gear that we’d probably just shove in the camper to store it and probably never actually use. All of that weighs about 650 lbs (I think it was 644). I just rounded that up to 1k lbs because maybe we’ll want to travel with a tank of water sometime. Now there is a huge difference between adding an additional 1k lbs to the dry weight versus adding an additional 3k lbs to the dry weight. I’m all for over estimating (as you may have noticed), but over estimating by 2k lbs is kind of overkill considering everything else has been overestimated already. This is my problem with saying we’ll use the GVWR on a trailer. However, if we can’t rely on the dry weight to be even remotely accurate then how is it even possible for someone to know what weight they’re supposed to add their gear weight onto to find their loaded weight? That’s the frustration.
itsjustjer 08/03/19 10:42am Travel Trailers
RE: Bunkhouses similar to 272BHS with light hitch weight

Coachman Apex Ultra-Lite 288BHS That layout is nice. I might like that better than the superslide kind just because of the ease of conversation between couch and dinette.
itsjustjer 08/02/19 11:17am Travel Trailers
RE: Bunkhouses similar to 272BHS with light hitch weight

I feel like I should clarify my original post to inform that I’m not trying to manipulate the hitch weight, but find one that is built/configured by the manufacturer to have as close to 10% hitch weight as possible. One camper with a 5k dry weight has a 500lb hitch weight (when dry) and another 5k camper has an 750 hitch weight (when dry). So that tells me the manufacturer built that 750 hitch weight camper with more weight toward the front obviously. Both 5k lbs, but one has 250lbs more payload on the truck before you even load it up. The disparity only gets greater as the loaded weight of the camper gets greater. What I’m asking in my original post is if anyone knows of a camper that (by design of the manufacturer) has as good of (or better) hitch weight ratio than the 272BHS. Not looking for ways to lighten or misappropriate the weight in a way that was not designed by the manufacturer. You are assuming that the manufacturer's dry tongue weight number is accurate. There is no assurance that this is the case. Pardon me if I come across as frustrated with this post, but if we can’t depend on ANY numbers from the vehicle or the RV manufacturer to be correct, then how has anyone ever purchased a vehicle and RV and known they were within their limits until after the fact? Maybe we’ll just rent whatever model we’re thinking of buying and take it to the scale. Even then, that particular trailer isn’t going to weigh the same as the specific one we’ll be buying.
itsjustjer 08/02/19 11:15am Travel Trailers
RE: Bunkhouses similar to 272BHS with light hitch weight

I guess an easier way to put it would be: We have a total of 820 lbs of payload left after everything. What is a good bunkhouse floor plan with a hitch weight we can safely accommodate? If you are going to use a 1/2 ton tow vehicle, you should be looking at lightweight 25' travel trailers at the most. Minimizing hitch weight to prevent overloading your tow vehicle is a recipe for disaster. It will make the trailer inherently unstable and it'll be especially unsafe on a vehicle with passenger tires. Fortunately there are a gazillion lightweight 25 footers out there with empty weights quite a bit lighter than the model you're looking at, so you should have no problem finding one that will be light enough to solve your problem. Or do what I'd do and buy a 3/4 ton Suburban. Thanks for the info on the 25 footers. I’ll narrow down to them and see what kind of floor plans they offer. I feel like I should clarify my original post to inform that I’m not trying to manipulate the hitch weight, but find one that is built/configured by the manufacturer to have as close to 10% hitch weight as possible. One camper with a 5k dry weight has a 500lb hitch weight (when dry) and another 5k camper has an 750 hitch weight (when dry). So that tells me the manufacturer built that 750 hitch weight camper with more weight toward the front obviously. Both 5k lbs, but one has 250lbs more payload on the truck before you even load it up. The disparity only gets greater as the loaded weight of the camper gets greater. What I’m asking in my original post is if anyone knows of a camper that (by design of the manufacturer) has as good of (or better) hitch weight ratio than the 272BHS. Not looking for ways to lighten or misappropriate the weight in a way that was not designed by the manufacturer.
itsjustjer 07/31/19 02:40pm Travel Trailers
RE: Bunkhouses similar to 272BHS with light hitch weight

I guess an easier way to put it would be: We have a total of 820 lbs of payload left after everything. What is a good bunkhouse floor plan with a hitch weight we can safely accommodate?
itsjustjer 07/31/19 11:42am Travel Trailers
RE: Bunkhouses similar to 272BHS with light hitch weight

Dry weight numbers are mostly fictional. It looks like you will be really close to the 'Burb's limits when loaded for camping. Have you considered a heavier duty tow vehicle? One ton passenger vans are very capable. Plenty of room, and cargo capacity to spare. We have looked at them, but ultimately we decided on an SUV, which means Suburban, Tahoe, Expedition and their various Yukon and EL/Max variations since this will be replacing our primary family vehicle. Full size vans just don't have as many creature comforts unless you spend a lot more money. The camper would be the thing to change if we decide this is too much for the vehicle.
itsjustjer 07/31/19 10:14am Travel Trailers
RE: Bunkhouses similar to 272BHS with light hitch weight

plan on 15 percent high side 13 percent low side and use the gvwr. you may well be 500 lbs over dry weight when you pick it up empty. also remember weight of your hitch comes off payload if you didn't include that with your load in the vehicle. The 272BHS has an extremely high cargo capacity for its class at 2500lbs. That completely puts it out of our range if I assume it weighs 7500lbs and has 13% - 15% (975lbs - 1125lbs). Even if it's 500 pounds over the dry weight, I can't possibly imagine any situation where we'd have 2,000lbs of stuff on board. We have friends who full time with 2 kids and they only have 1,500lbs on board.
itsjustjer 07/31/19 10:10am Travel Trailers
RE: Bunkhouses similar to 272BHS with light hitch weight

The camper will have 800 lbs of tongue weight when it is all said and done - regardless of what you say in your post - that's just the reality. So you will be at max payload with your suburban (there is nothing wrong with towing at max). End of Story. For the record, you don't want light hitch weight. Light hitch weight equal "SWAY". Where does the 800 come from? Light means sway when the rest of the trailer is heavy and unbalanced. I'm talking light hitch weight + light trailer weight so it is balanced. Not light hitch weight on a heavy trailer where most of the weight is in the rear.
itsjustjer 07/31/19 10:09am Travel Trailers
Bunkhouses similar to 272BHS with light hitch weight

I'm looking around at different bunkhouse models to see if there is anything out there that can beat the Keystone Bullet 272BHS on hitch weight. https://www.rvusa.com/rv-guide/2016-keystone-bullet-travel-trailer-floorplan-272bhs-tr24873 Depending on the year, the 272BHS has a dry weight of about 5,030 to 5,400 and the dry hitch weight is about 10.7% (540lbs - 610lbs). I have determined the gear that we will always have on the camper weighs 650lbs, but I'm just going to operate under the assumption that we will have 1,000lbs of cargo on board the camper. We are in the process of buying a Suburban with 1720lbs of payload. Our family and belongings that will be riding in the Suburban weigh in at 900lbs (again, over estimating). This leaves 820lbs for hitch weight if we were to max out the payload capacity of the Suburban, but of course we don't want to do that. If we purchase the 272BHS and load it to around 6,200lbs, the hitch weight would be around 663lbs (10.7%) on the low side to probably 744lbs (12%) on the higher side depending on how we load it. First Question: Does all of this make sense so far? Am I missing anything or overlooking another factor of weight somewhere? Second Question: Does anyone know of any bunkhouses that have a layout like the 272BHS that also offer a loaded hitch weight within that range (or lighter?) Like many SUVs, the payload is our limiting factor; especially with our big family. As I've been looking around I've kept track of models that had a layout like the 272BHS and I've listed them below just in case it's helpful for anyone else. All of these listed below have a heavier hitch weight than the 272BHS. I calculated the loaded hitch weight by taking the dry hitch weight and dividing by the dry weight of the camper to get something around 10%-15%. Then I added 1,000lbs to the dry weight of the camper to get my loaded weight. Then I just multiplied the hitch weight percent by my loaded weight. Passport 2670BH GT Travel Trailer Passport 2810BH GT Travel Trailer Alpha Wolf 26DBH-L Grey Wolf 26CKSE Evo 267SS Impression 26BH Salem 27DBK Cruise Lite 263BHXL Cruise Lite Northwest 263BHXL Cruise Lite West T263BHXL Hemisphere Hyper-Lyte 29BHHL Salem Northwest T27DBK Surveyor 287BHSS Vibe 261BHS Heritage Glen Hyper-Lyte 29BHHL X-Lite 263BHXL X-Lite 282QBXL X-Lite T263BHXL Jay Feather 27BH Jay Flight SLX 8 267BHS Freedom Express Ultra Lite 287BHDS Freedom Express Select 28.7SE Cataline SBX 281DDS Cataline Legacy Edition 273BHSCK Open Range Ultra Lite UT2802BH Mesa Ridge MR2802BH Hideout 26LHSWE Grand Design Imagine 2800BH Coachmen Freedom Express 28SE Gulf Stream Conquest Lite 268BH Venture RV SportTrek ST270VBH
itsjustjer 07/31/19 08:57am Travel Trailers
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