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RE: Confirmed 2021 RAM Cummins no CP4.2

I’m in Canada. My Ford dealer is quoting me 10% off MSRP plus any factory incentives when the trucks land. Right now the fleet discount is 3k. Ram is quoting me MSRP. The thing that I find so surprising is that the Ram Limited I priced out has an MSRP of $105k compared to an equivalent Ford with an MSRP of $96k.It's all supply and demand. I'd venture to guess your local dealer has extra inventory and dropped their prices to move it. A call to another Ford dealer 160km away, with little to no inventory, could net you no discount. As I mentioned earlier, when we do our nationwide (US) truck searches we typically see the same trend appear: smaller discounts with Ford, highest discounts with Ram, and Chevy in the middle. As for why the Ram Limited has a higher MSRP than Ford, Ram has generally been regarded as the market leader in high end interior accouterments by a number of trade journals. They charge more because some feel they provide more.
otrfun 12/24/20 08:53am Tow Vehicles
RE: Confirmed 2021 RAM Cummins no CP4.2

Ford and GM diesels are priced about the same as a Ram gasser. I think you’d have to be very brand loyal to buy a Ram right now.Haven't found that to be true at all. I've been doing a nationwide (US) search for a truck. According to Ford's website, they're currently offering $250 cashback on their HD's. Chevy and Ram have employee pricing which generally provides at least a 12-14% discount off MSRP (dealer has the option to discount even more). This generally equates to at least a $6k-$9k discount. You can buy a lot of fuel and accessories with Chevy and Ram's $6k-$9k savings vs. Ford's $250 cashback offer. BTW, employee pricing also applies to the Ram 6.4 gasser. Unfortunately, the Ram 6.4 is almost impossible to find in a higher trim level.
otrfun 12/24/20 07:47am Tow Vehicles
RE: Confirmed 2021 RAM Cummins no CP4.2

Absolutely no doubt Ram was seeing some kind of hit to their bottom line that convinced them to go back to the CP3. The cost per failure (under warranty) was dramatically higher with the CP4. It would make sense for Ram to switch back to the CP3---even if the failure rate for the CP3 and CP4 were the same. Now that Chevy and Ram have both walked away from the CP4, it certainly leaves Ford in an interesting marketing position---especially with these CP4 class-action lawsuits still in the pipe-line. My guess Ford's too highly invested in the CP4--their bean counters have probably determined it's better to stay the course. Maybe Ford's counting on their brand loyal diesel customers to simply choose the 7.3 gasser (vs. a Chevy or Ram) when confronted with the CP4's bad press.
otrfun 12/23/20 09:29am Tow Vehicles
RE: Confirmed 2021 RAM Cummins no CP4.2

Great news! Wanted to pull the trigger on a new 2020 Cummins a few months ago, but hesitated because of the CP4. Probably pull the trigger on a new CP3-equipped 2021 when the year-end incentives come back on-line late next year.
otrfun 12/23/20 08:38am Tow Vehicles
RE: Ram 2021 questions

Personally, I would ABSOLUTELY go for the HO engine. As far as CP3 vs CP4, I'd wait to get a true confirmation on that before allowing that to weigh in on the decision. For what it is worth, the CP3 on my 2012 did fail. And while a failure there isn't as expensive as a CP4, I would say they both can happen, and both are rare. Sure wouldn't make a difference on a decision to buy if I were in your shoes.....I used to feel the CP4 situation was a little overblown . . . until Ram made the switch from CP4 "back" to the original CP3 a month or so ago on the 2021 SO engines. This switch speaks volumes about the lack of confidence Ram had in the CP4.
otrfun 12/22/20 07:06pm Tow Vehicles
RE: Ram 2021 questions

Ram switched back to using the CP3 pump in their 2021 SO (standard output) engines (used the CP4 from 2019-2020). Chevy quit using the CP4 a few years ago. Ford still uses the CP4. Not sure if Ram went back to the CP3 for the HO. Definitely something you might want to check if you're leaning towards the HO. If you're not familar with the CP4 backstory suggest you google it. There's a number of class-action lawsuits involving Ford's CP4. Given a choice, I'd definitely go with a CP3 vs. a CP4, even if it meant giving up some HP/torque.
otrfun 12/22/20 05:37pm Tow Vehicles
RE: Going back to gasser based on needs (need advice)

ognend, based on your opening post IMO you'd be better served going gas. The only question you seem to have is whether you'll be giving up "power" by going gas. The 6.4 Ram Hemi and 7.3 Ford Godzilla gassers both have 400+ horsepower. That's more HP than a standard Cummins (370-385hp). A 400+ HP gas engine will pull a 11k trailer up a 7% grade at 60mph (based on personal experience). The caveat is you'll be in 2nd or 3rd gear pulling 4.5-5.5k RPM (near redline). Although massive torque at low RPM (i.e., turbo diesel) gives the impression of effortless and unlimited power, all said and done HP (along with proper gearing) ultimately determines how much work actually gets done, not torque. I currently drive a Cummins. I absolutely love "how" this engine tows heavy. However, if I were buying a new truck tomorrow I'd probably go gas (mandatory options: an 8-10 speed tranny and the lowest available rear end ratio).
otrfun 12/17/20 01:50pm Tow Vehicles
RE: When is weight distribution needed?

IMO a lot of folks with handling/sway problems don't bother (or don't know how) to check their tongue weight percentage and purchase/use a WDH (and anti-sway) as a band-aid fix when their core problem is insufficient tongue weight. With 15% tongue weight (bumper-pull) you shouldn't have any handling/sway problems with any vehicle. Many 1/2-ton trucks must use a WDH to because of their limited rear axle capacity (which ends up off-loading weight from the front axle), not because they inherently need a WDH/anti-sway to prevent handling/sway issues. We towed a 35', 10k bumper pull TT (with 14% tongue weight--1,400 lbs., and no WDH) with our '16 Ram 3500 SRW Cummins cross-country many times. Towed like a dream, even with 35 mph sidewinds. All you felt was one push/pull with every wind gust. When an 18-wheeler passed too close, again, just one push/pull, and that was it. Zero sway--completely stable.
otrfun 12/05/20 07:31pm Tow Vehicles
RE: 2019 Northern Lite 10-2

the shade inside the camper by the sink began to discolor, Northern Lite sent a new one including frame, Northern Lite did this after seeing pictures without me asking I just wanted a opinion on what might have caused it. Northern Lite was great on promptly shipping a new one. Now the problem no directions to get to the screws that hold the frame and blind on the wall how do you take the sides on top off the old blind, do they just pry off with a push from a putty knife, or is there a easier way. This is our first Northern Lite, and it has not been used much because of a house fire that consumed most of last year and this year so far but that disaster headache is over now. I ned to fix my blind in the camper and take some time away from the farm.We just removed the frame behind the sink/stove on our NL a few weeks ago. To gain access to the frame's mounting screws, you have to carefully pry/pop the 4 long, decorative inserts away from each side of the frame. FWIW, you can flip the frame upside down and have the shade (and screen) close in the opposite direction if you'd like.
otrfun 11/27/20 07:48pm Truck Campers
RE: Salt Lake to Albuquerque on a 40 Pusher then to Florida.

Don't sweat the indians. I'd be more concerned about the NM Gov. closing down everything, which she just did. Avoid NM at all cost.They are termed native americans not indiansHow can they be native Americans when there was no America. I prefer first nation peoples though that is a misnomer as well.Native Americans are considered native to the continents of North America or South America. The American continents have existed for many millions of years.
otrfun 11/20/20 07:47pm Roads and Routes
RE: Pure sine wave inverter suggestions?

8 gauge wire seems too small for the 500 amps draw of a 6,000 watt inverter. And yes, I think you lucked out not needing electric blankets.X 2 !!I always strive for 2% or less voltage drop under max load. At 2% I'd be limited to 5ft. of 4/0 cable with a 500a load. FWIW, 4/0 cable is nearly 13 times larger than an 8 gauge wire.
otrfun 11/10/20 07:27am Truck Campers
RE: Pure sine wave inverter suggestions?

I have a 2200 watt Giandel PSW inverter that works well. 3 year warranty, only 8-9 watts when idling.Lot of folks overlook parasitic/no-load/idling current specs when choosing an inverter. Some inverters with high parasitic current can discharge a battery in just 12-24 hours with no load.
otrfun 11/10/20 07:11am Truck Campers
RE: Pure sine wave inverter suggestions?

Too risky to use a MSW on electronic equipment.Agree. MSW can can silently wreak havoc on some electronic devices. It's like using improper oil in an engine. At first everything seems fine . . .
otrfun 11/10/20 07:05am Truck Campers
RE: Adding XM antenna to avoid camper overhang

Very helpful pics and instructions! Definitely gonna save some folks some time and research. I've noticed those with fiberglass campers seem to have better luck with these SAT signals. The metal siding and/or framing used on a lot of campers definitely don't help with SAT reception.
otrfun 11/10/20 06:53am Truck Campers
RE: New Member and Future Truck Camper Owner

. . . As always, a trip to the scales will tell all. Be safe. BillAgree. A visit to your local CAT scale to determine how much weight is being loaded or unloaded from your front axle is the only way to determine your *current* COG. Those *factory* COG stickers are only accurate the day the camper left the factory.
otrfun 11/08/20 07:29am Truck Campers
RE: New Member and Future Truck Camper Owner

Welcome...and yeah...ouch. Should have stopped here b4 you got that truck. That (very) short bed is going to place your COG well behind axle. Not a good way to start TC’ing. Hate to rain on your parade, but a TT may be a better option for that truck. Be safe.That mega cab has a VERY short bed. I wouldn’t be putting anything too heavy behind the rear axle. He’ll be doing the Carolina squat!OP'S not going to have any problems carrying a short bed camper on his Ram MegaCab dually/DRW. Hundreds, thousands of folks carry SB campers on Ram SB trucks with no issues. We carry a SB camper (almost 4k loaded) on our '16 Ram 3500 SRW CC SB with zero handling issues. I might add, the same 6 ft. 4 in. bed is used on all Ram heavy-duty SB trucks, including the MegaCab. If anything, the MegaCab may have a stability advantage over a Ram RC SB or Ram CC SB because it has a longer wheelbase. The only MegaCab with documented problems carrying a SB camper is the 2014+ Ram 2500 Megacabs. Because of its very inboard mounted rear coil springs, some folks have encountered sway issues.
otrfun 11/07/20 02:16pm Truck Campers
RE: 5W40 or 15W40 in 6.7 CTD?

It would probably make no difference as long as you aren't exceeding the mileage specifications. I'm not the least bit worried about the 1 year OCI that I have been using for several years now.You are correct. The time frame of 6 months doesn't matter as long as it is changed with a certain mileage or engine hours. As I stated earlier, no oil analysis would be able to tell the difference between 15k mile oil at 6 months or 15k mile oil at 12 months. The 15k interval with the Cummins is even with non-synthetic 15w40.Makes perfect sense to me. Then why the heck does Ram have a 6 mo. OCI on their late model Cummins? They have "severe" duty maintenance intervals for other things like the tranny and differential. Why wouldn't they recommend 6 mo. OCI's for severe duty and 12 mo. for non-severe? Ram obviously feels there's something that's degrading the oil over time---something that's not mileage related. Some kind of water, corrosion, or fuel contamination issue?In my opinion it has to do with the fact that Ram owns the warranty of the engine from Cummins. Unlike the medium/heavy duty world where even though the truck is a Peterbilt, Kenworth, and so on, you still have to go through Cummins for the engine warranty, not the vehicle manufacturer. The same holds true for other engines such as Caterpillar, Detroit Diesel, and so on. For example, if a Peterbilt with an ISB6.7 comes into our service department with an engine issue under warranty, we file the claim with Cummins, not Peterbilt. Also, if that same Peterbilt went to a dealership for another make, say Freightliner, with the same engine issue. That Freightliner dealer can still perform the warranty work since the warranty is with Cummins, not Peterbilt. They can go to any dealership that is certified by Cummins to work on that engine regardless of make. If my technician is ISB certified, then he can can work on any ISB engine warranty regardless of what vehicle it is in(aside from Ram). This is not the case with Ram. Ram essentially purchases and owns the 100k mile warranty as a part of their contract meaning I cannot take it anywhere else, even a Cummins service center, to perform the warranty. So they can decide to make the warranty more stringent than what Cummins has in other applications that are similar if they want to keep them from paying. Basically, they are stacking the deck in their favor so they will not have to pay out at the expense of the owners even though most owners do not fall within the severe 6 month duty cycle and Cummins has 12 months for similar duty cycles. I will also say to never ever get your parts from a Mopar dealer. They mark them up 100-200% over what a Cummins dealer or even other medium/heavy duty dealers charge. For example, a Mopar dealer quoted me a Cummins water pump for $200 and it was the exact same one from Cummins my company(a medium/heavy duty dealership) sold for $65 at the time. They were both in the same Cummins box, but the Mopar had an extra sticker with a Mopar part number on it.Sounds like a perfectly legtimate explanation to me. If this is the case, gotta wonder what specific issue in that 6 mo. to 12 mo. MTBF/OCI data pushed their warranty costs high enough to warrant a 6 mo. OCI? Hhhmmm . . .
otrfun 11/05/20 08:48am Tow Vehicles
RE: Ford has released their 2021 towing guide

. . . I loved that F150HD with the 3.5L Ecoboost. It was very fun to drive especially after I had 5 Star tune it for me.The 3.5 Ecoboost is an awesome engine. I've driven one a number of times. Gotta say, though, I so-so wish Ford had gone with a twin-turbo V8 instead. The sonic experience alone would have turned this engine into a rockstar!
otrfun 11/05/20 08:21am Tow Vehicles
RE: 5W40 or 15W40 in 6.7 CTD?

It would probably make no difference as long as you aren't exceeding the mileage specifications. I'm not the least bit worried about the 1 year OCI that I have been using for several years now.You are correct. The time frame of 6 months doesn't matter as long as it is changed with a certain mileage or engine hours. As I stated earlier, no oil analysis would be able to tell the difference between 15k mile oil at 6 months or 15k mile oil at 12 months. The 15k interval with the Cummins is even with non-synthetic 15w40.Makes perfect sense to me. Then why the heck does Ram have a 6 mo. OCI on their late model Cummins? They have "severe" duty maintenance intervals for other things like the tranny and differential. Why wouldn't they recommend 6 mo. OCI's for severe duty and 12 mo. for non-severe? Ram obviously feels there's something that's degrading the oil over time---something that's not mileage related. Some kind of water, corrosion, or fuel contamination issue?
otrfun 11/05/20 08:01am Tow Vehicles
RE: Ford has released their 2021 towing guide

Ford 2021 towing guide You can get the highest tow ratings with max payload package. All of the F150 engines have received significant bumps in tow ratings. The 2.7 is now up to 10,000lbs, the diesel is up to 12,100lbs and the 5.0 is up to 13,000lbs. Maximum GCRW is 19,500lbs. If I recall correctly the maximum GCWR for a 1991 F350 was 18,500lbs. Things have really changed.Can higher tow ratings overcome basic physics (truck weight vs. trailer weight)---the ole tail-waggin-the-dog syndrome? A 5,000 lb. F150 pulling 13k? Seriously?!I do it every day. It's a better ratio than pulling 30,000lbs with an F450 and that seems to widely accepted.I hear ya. However, for my level of comfort we wouldn't consider towing any more than ~13k on any cross-country trip with our '16 Ram 3500 SRW Cummins. I think Ram got the max. tow capacity of 16k just right. I've towed 8k-10k with an aluminum F150 5.0 and a late model Tundra with a 5.7 (~10k tow rating for both). Both felt much less stable than our 3500 when we towed 15k. There's no way I would consider towing 13k with an F150 that weighs 3k less (with almost half the torque) on any cross-country trip. Yup, I know folks claim they do it all the time (i.e., tows like it's not there). But, telling myself that ain't gonna make my pucker factor go away :E
otrfun 11/05/20 07:21am Tow Vehicles
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