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RE: Need help with route north

The only way to really avoid mountains is to do as boaters do, and take the Great Loop. Up the coast to NYC, then the Hudson and Eire Canal to the Great Lakes. Or along the Gulf Coast to Alabama, and up the Tennessee-Tombigbee Waterway.
paulj 11/28/22 10:04am Roads and Routes
RE: Pahrump to Winnemucca

While taking US95 as far as Tonopah, there appear to be multiple choices from there. Continuing on US95 to I80 may be a bit longer, but stays closer to civilization. It may also have better gas choices. I have passed through Tonopah, but in a East-west direction, from Caliente to Big Pine. Tonopah was a welcome gas stop since there wasn't much of an alternative in the 200 miles from Caliente. The most direct route through Austin doesn't look too bad - gas wise. The Champs gas station appears to be an important stop for US50 travelers. It closes at 9 (according to GM), and even has a EV charging station. I just watched a vlog of a world traveler passing through Austin on US50. Looks like more of a historic mountain town than I first realized. With some history, gem shops, and such.
paulj 11/26/22 09:40am Roads and Routes
RE: Slippery Doo Dah

I didn't encounter any ice. :) edit --- Ice warnings aren't much value without some indication of locality.
paulj 11/20/22 02:29pm Roads and Routes
RE: Tire chains in Califdrnia

The Washington State requirements might be easier follow at this WSDOT link It mentions "snow socks" and has links to approved ones. If you need to use a traction aid, it will need to fit, and be durable enough to handle 20 miles of slow speed driving over a mountain pass.
paulj 11/17/22 10:03am Roads and Routes
RE: Traveling to California

Why do you want to avoid high mountains? What is high for you? Some people have problems with altitude. Others are concerned about grades - up or down. Or maybe it's the potential for snow. On I40 there's a grade where it drops from the high plains level to the Rio Grande at Alb. It then climbs gradually to Grants and the Continental Divide. Flagstaff is another high area, known more for snow than grades. Then a drop to the Colorago River west of Kingman. CA 58, Tahachapi Pass takes you from the California desert into the Central Valley. I15 Cajon Pass is the major route from I40 to the LA basic. I5 Grapevine the main route north out of the basin. I10 from Palm Springs is a lower pass. All of these are busy freeways. Grapevine may be most notorious for grades (mainly downhill north bound) and occasional weather problems. Then there's the question of when you want to cross over to 101, whether you take it all the way from LA, use something like 46 to cross from the Central Valley, or wait to I580.
paulj 11/06/22 09:31am Roads and Routes
RE: Route Planning Question

The big advantage of paper maps is that they give the-big-picture, better so than phone or standalone gps units. State level maps are also good at highlighting major routes, with limited information on minor roads or "scenic" ones. Years ago for bike ride from Mpls to Chicago, I had to order county level maps from Wisconsin to get info on minor low traffic roads. And later for an Alaska trip, I made heavy use of detailed guide books. And in the lower 48 I also used AAA books and maps. Still I have been surprised by paper maps. One straight route in southern Oregon turned out to be heavily washboarded gravel. And in the mid 2000s there was a big news story about a couple lost in the Oregon coast mountains after Thanksgiving. There was a lot of speculation about them using Mapquest, but it turned out they'd used a paper map, where the route was marked aa paved but scenic (BLM and FS). Sometimes the only clue on paper maps that a route is mountainous is the color of National Forests. We have a lot more information available to us now than a couple of decades ago.
paulj 11/02/22 10:07am Roads and Routes
RE: Route Planning Question

While the `shortest` can easily end up being a minor slow road, I would expect the 'fastest' to be biased toward the freeways. But that may vary with the region and length of route. Usually 'fastest' is based on distance and some sort of estimate of the speed. That speed estimate might a crude one based on road type/name, but might also take into account road surface, grades and curviness. At least with Google Maps in the western states, the differences in speeds between routes seem to be realistic. I can imagine cases in the eastern mountains were short windy route through some pass would end up being both shortest and fastest - at least for a car. With Google Maps with full internet access it is easy to examine the suggested route for details - terrain mode shows the hills, a zoom in shows the curves, and Streetview shows even more detail. It is also change the route and see how that changes distance and time estimates. Getting this kind of detail is harder on a phone, or when route finding without internet connection. That's where a degree of preplanning comes in.
paulj 11/02/22 12:13am Roads and Routes
RE: Interstate 59

On interstates there are several kinds of roughness. One would be potholes, which I suspect are most common in northern states, where ice, salt, freezing etc breaks up the pavement. Another is wear grooves caused mainly by heavy truck traffic. Some try to fix that by grinding it flat, and adding a new layer of asphalt. The worse is tilted slabs. Again heavy trucks are a major factor. If the ride is bouncy this is likely the cause. Fixing takes more work, such as actually realigning the slabs and adding dowels of some sort to keep them aligned. I believe this was worst when the interstates were a few decades old, and most states have already addressed this. Bridge expansion joints also need to be replaced - this may be the most common work you'll see. Roads, and all infrastructure, are built with a design life. I've seen references to roads with built with a 25 design life, and are still be used (with patching) after 50 years. Total rebuilds are expensive, and very disruptive to traffic. Got to a state's DOT website to see what construction projects are in the works, or have been recently completed. Alabama DOT shows quite a few, but I can't say how that compares to other states. Streetview images of I59 don't suggest anything unusual. It looks relatively flat and wide, without unusual traffic. There aren't any obvious potholes, wear grooves, or tilted slabs. Though it is possible that the asphalt overlay hides problem slabs.
paulj 10/17/22 01:57pm Roads and Routes
RE: Route 89A in utah

You need to be clearer about which section you have in mind. Most of the comments apply to the steep and curvy part between Sedona and Flagstaff. I suspect though that you are thinking about the northern alternative to US89 through Page. The one that gives access to the north rim of the Grand Canyon. That gets higher than US89, with more grades and curves, but it doesn't have formal restrictions.
paulj 10/15/22 09:45am Roads and Routes
RE: Winter Travel Phoenix, Az to Montrose, Co

For other threads I looked at 141 on GMaps. There's a grade called Slick Rock Hill that climbs out of a river crossing. There's another grade out a canyon east of Norwood. This route might not be as high, but it looks more remote. Going NW to I70, and then south through Moab might be safer choice - both in terms of altitude and remoteness. With snow bunny traffic to Telluride, the Lizzardhead pass might be well plowed.
paulj 10/13/22 04:53pm Roads and Routes
RE: Western slopes of Colorado

On Google Maps set the `terrain` mode to see where there are mountains. Zoom in to see details, all the way to Streetview. 139 crosses Douglas Pass, 8400 ft. From the map the tightest turns are on the south side. In a recent thread I found that the main grade on 141 is the climb out of the river at Slick Rock Hill. According to the Bike routing option this route has total climb and drop of 12000 ft. The alternative through Moab is up/down 10000. A third option is Lizzard Head Pass south of Telluride. This has more climb (15000), but is often recommended as the alternative to 550 between Oray and Durango.
paulj 09/28/22 09:56am Roads and Routes
RE: Capital Reef NP Roads

In June there was a flash flood in the Park, especially affecting the Capitol Gorge Road.
paulj 09/15/22 06:11pm Roads and Routes
RE: Best route from Dillon MT to West Glacier

Google Maps suggests leaving I90 as US12, and taking MT83 north. This is a bit shorter and faster than the alternative using US93 (the lower underpass that your app warns about it just before that exit). So there is a good alternative. But as others stress, a real freeway height restriction this low would be well known and frequently damaged. Your app is misleading you - there's very little reason for a non-local RV to cross under the freeway on Butler Ck Rd.
paulj 09/13/22 01:57pm Roads and Routes
RE: Best route from Dillon MT to West Glacier

On Google Maps Sat view, I looked at I90 west of Missoula. Mostly I90 is above the cross roads. With Streetview I checked Butler Creek Rd, which goes under I90. It has 13'6" signs. So you are fine on I90. US93 goes over, without any warning signs. 16 ft is the standard for Interstates (with limited urban exceptions).
paulj 09/12/22 09:42am Roads and Routes
RE: Little Joe Rd in Northern Idaho

Some history about the railroad to Avery at this Hiawatha bike trail page. The section of railroad from I90 to Avery is now a bike trail, complete with trestles and tunnels.
paulj 09/01/22 01:07pm Roads and Routes
RE: Little Joe Rd in Northern Idaho

From Google Maps, it looks like Little Joe Rd in Montana is gavel - judging by a mix of Streetview and Sat. But on the Idaho side it looks like pavement - that is I can see center line paint in the Sat view (no streetview). The high point is on the stateline. From the bike route profile, there's about a 3000 ft climb to the pass.
paulj 08/31/22 02:51pm Roads and Routes
RE: SoCal to east side of North Cascades: 395 or 395/97?

Along Oregon US97 there's a decent selection of state parks. Summer Lake is the only commercial place I've used, and that was still pretty rustic (with a old barn like hot spring). By September the parks won't be as heavily reservered. There are also forest service places that aren't too far off the main highway. The selection isn't quite as good in Washington, though I've used a couple toward the south. And BLM sites along the Yakima River canyon. East of the Columbia it's mostly irrigated farm land, with fewer camping options. And there are campgrounds by the reservoirs along the dammed Columbia.
paulj 08/25/22 09:54am Roads and Routes
RE: SoCal to east side of North Cascades: 395 or 395/97? OR31 is a good cross over between 395 and 97. We enjoyed a night at the Summer Lake hot springs, detoured into the mountains to the west, climbed Hagar Mtn, looked at Fort Rock. And got a flat from a broken chainsaw file near Hole in Ground.
paulj 08/24/22 10:03am Roads and Routes
RE: SoCal to east side of North Cascades: 395 or 395/97?

US97 is relatively flat and straight from Ca through OR, about 4000 ft, through Ponderosa Pine forest, with Cascades to the west. The 138 climb to the north side of Crater Lake is the highest pass to the west. Oregon 'out-back' is to the east, with some interesting volcanic and high desert features (especially around Bend). North of Madras it drops to the Columbia River. 197 is an alternative with the same drop. In WA 97 climbs over a modest Satus Pass to I82, and another pass (high speed traffic) to I90. There's a more relaxed winding road along the Yakima River canyon. And a bit bigger pass to US2 (Blewett). These passes all have WSDOT pages and webcams. I haven't driven 395 in California. Last time I took FS roads across the volcanic highlands into Or. Lake City is supposed to be the highest incorporated town in Oregon. As far as Burns 395 is in the northern extension of the Nevada basin-n-range. Then some modest mountain passes to the Columbia. In WA 395 is freeway NE to I90 and Spokane. I believe WA17 is the best way north and northwest. North of I90, you can drive from Quincy to Wennatchee, with a modest drop to the Columbia.
paulj 08/23/22 06:57pm Roads and Routes
RE: Road conditions

If you have a good enough internet connection, google maps provides a lot of information on road conditions, including curves. Grades are a little harder to estimate (though sometimes I can find roadside signs via Streetview). I use terrain mode a lot. Viewing a route with bicycle mode shows the grades. The drop into Paradox Valley on CO90 is quite evident on GM. I see similar curves on 141 after it crosses the Dolores River. It may even have a more sustained climb - about 6% for 6 miles. Otherwise 141 looks like it stays in open country and is relatively flat and straight. On streetview I found a sign calling this Slickrock Hill. And 'Trucks use low gear, 7% grade for 6 miles' (at the top) I've driven the Moab to Teluride route. 145 has a significant grade after Norwood where it drops down into a canyon to cross the river. I haven't driven 145 south from Telluride, but Lizzard Head pass is often cited as a good alternative to the Ouray-Durango 550 route.
paulj 08/19/22 09:49am Roads and Routes
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