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RE: Is this doable or am I overlooking something??

I'm not in denial that it doesn't cost the CG more. Hwevrer for the most part these cost are negligible. For every guy running a 2nd codr there is someone staying in a tent or someone gone for the day and using minimal electric. If electric cost where truly a profit and loss nightmare CG's would go to a metered format. However most do not simply because its not necessary. They set a price a build in a can't lose allowance for electric. Now I agree there are CG's with wiring issues and CG's that feel they are being taking advantage of that prohibit 2nd cords. My current rig is 50 amp so I can run a couple of space heaters microwave etc. with no issues. Occasionally I end up on a 30 amp site, when 50 amp site are unavailable. Many state parks have only 30 amp sites. In this scenario, I will use a 2nd cord to run my 2nd A/C when required. I have my A/C wired through a transfer switch that allows me to chose 2nd cord circuit or internal (normal) 50 amp circuit. When electricity is included in the overnight rates, the owner has factored that into the pricing. 50amp sites are almost always higher priced and one of the big reasons for that is 50amp rigs use more power. Likewise, tent sites are often lower cost. For an individual renter, $6/night may sound negligible but when you multiply that out over 30 days per month and dozens of sites, it quickly becomes very significant for the owner.When a park offers electricity (or any other amenity) as inclusive in the price that park has made that decision based on "average" usage. When a renter wants to add additional loads to those amenities beyond normal usage the park may need to place safeguards in their policies and procedures to prevent that from happening. We learned that lesson the hard way. At our first park, when we were new to the business, we took some winter guests. We did not have metered electric, so we just went with our normal monthly rate. Little did we know that those guests would electrically heat everything. They used space heaters inside their rig. They had heat tape on all their lines. They even placed space heaters under their rigs, open to the outdoor air. They got that additional power by using every available outlet on the pedestal plus ran additional cords to the neighboring pedestals. Our normal in season power bill ran around $100.00 per rented site. That winter the power cost us over $600.00 per rented site. The site rental didn't even cover the power, much less the water, Sewer, cable TV, Wifi, Snow Removal, costs of keeping the restrooms open etc. It ended up being a multi-thousand dollar lesson learned. Years of experience has taught us that you never know what lurks inside the RV you just rented a site to. It might just be a single space heater that would only add pennies to the power bill. However, it might someone who feels it is fine to run 10 space heaters and leave the windows and doors wide open when it is -10F. Heck, someday it might even be a mobile server farm that is mining for Bitcoins that if given free range will suck up $100s of dollars of power a day.
wapiticountry 01/20/21 08:19am Tech Issues
RE: Is this doable or am I overlooking something??

We use our trailer a lot during the winter and in COLD weather. Normally we use the propane furnace but it gobbles propane. The trailer is connected to the 30 amp outlet on the park post BUT when we try to use an electric space heater to help, the post breaker often trips when the microwave or other appliance is used. Any thoughts about connecting a separate power cord from the park 15 amp pedestal outlet/breaker then routing it into the trailer to power the electric space heater??? had to ask . If you pay for a 20, 30, or 50 amp unmetered space, (electricity is included in the daily/weekly rate) IMO, you can use all the plugs available at the pedestal in YOUR campsite. You can add additional extension cords, if needed. If the campground owner/manager complains, have them move you to (or charge you for) a larger service/space. (which will, most likely, be more expensive) Do not attempt to argue with with people who do not understand how electricity works. Simply move to another campground. Chum leeTwo things: One, it is not YOUR campsite. It is the park's. They have an absolute right to set any rules and conditions they deem fit as long as they do not violate the law. If the park wants to limit pedestal usage to one connection, then one connection is all you are entitled to use. Second, it has nothing to do with understanding electricity. There may be many reasons to not allow additional connections. It may very well be an economic decision or it might be a wiring or capacity issue. Regardless, it is the park's decision to set policies. You do have the right solution, if you don't like the policies, move on.
wapiticountry 01/18/21 02:55pm Tech Issues
RE: Is this doable or am I overlooking something??

There is also the possibility that each individual pedestal has a main breaker in the line that limits the total draw at that pedestal. If that is the case, running a separate line wouldn't make a difference.
wapiticountry 01/18/21 09:23am Tech Issues
RE: Opinion on Resort fees

The park may have instituted "resort Fees" for a number of reasons. It may just be the way all the parks in the area set their rates and the park would be at a disadvantage if they didn't follow suit. Example: Park A is $80.00 with a $30 resort fee, Park B is $90.00 inclusive of all fees. Searching for the best deal may very well pull up Park A with it's $80.00 base rate putting Park B, which is actually cheaper when everything is considered, behind it. It may also be the park is trying to save you and themselves money. If they charged an all inclusive rate, the entire amount might be subject to lodging taxes. If the park is a franchise park, they likely pay royalties on the site rental and not on resort fees. Between the two, there might be a 20+% savings on taxes and fees on that resort fee amount. In the end, for me it is the total amount I have to pay. I don't care how they arrive at it as long as they don't spring extras on me once I arrive.
wapiticountry 01/13/21 01:31pm RV Parks, Campgrounds and Attractions
RE: Vaccinations

Unfortunately I am way down the eligibility list since I am 63 and in good health. According to the CDC only after medical workers, first responders residents of nursing homes, those over 65 and those with serious medical conditions can I start to think about getting a vaccination. And I am fine with all those conditions. HOWEVER, after those classifications are taken care of, I am also behind teachers, minorities and the uninsured and under insured. Good to know that being responsible and paying for insurance all my life has earned me the right to go to the very back of the line. It is also good to know that according to the CDC me being 63 and white puts me at less of a risk than a 25 year old gym teacher or a 21 year old Black NBA star. better check your list again. https://apnews.com/article/coronavirus-pandemic-prisons-d2c1a3013351ed42cf75a194e4661cf3The CDC defines "Critical populations" , which have priority of the general population to include minorities, uninsured and under insured, people held in incarceration, people attending college, teachers and employees of schools, day care facilities, other educational institutions and many other groups that I feel it is questionable to put ahead of the average person. So yes, a black NBA star would be ahead of me on the list because they are a member of a recognized minority group. And that 25 year old gym teacher would be ahead even if the school itself is closed.
wapiticountry 01/13/21 09:51am Snowbirds
RE: Vaccinations

Unfortunately I am way down the eligibility list since I am 63 and in good health. According to the CDC only after medical workers, first responders residents of nursing homes, those over 65 and those with serious medical conditions can I start to think about getting a vaccination. And I am fine with all those conditions. HOWEVER, after those classifications are taken care of, I am also behind teachers, minorities and the uninsured and under insured. Good to know that being responsible and paying for insurance all my life has earned me the right to go to the very back of the line. It is also good to know that according to the CDC me being 63 and white puts me at less of a risk than a 25 year old gym teacher or a 21 year old Black NBA star.
wapiticountry 01/09/21 09:37am Snowbirds
RE: Anyone rent out their camper?

This is such a weird topic to bicker over. I kind of finding it fascinating that folks buy something expensive for personal use then start trying to think of ways to make money on that item when they are not using it. So you’re saying concepts like VRBO and AirBnB are poor business models that can’t work?There is a world of difference between VRBO and renting out a travel trailer. A vacation rental property is expected to appreciate over time, your RV no way. A vacation rental doesn't require a learning curve to operate. There are no slide outs to put in and out. There are no utilities to hook up and disconnect. A vacation rental cannot be wrecked, or left on the side of the road. A vacation rental will not strand the renter 1000 miles away. If emergency repairs are needed, a vacation rental has local contacts and professionals nearby, the RV who knows. The vacation rental business isn't really that lucrative when the homes are not near an area frequented by travelers. People own RVs precisely because they want to travel on vacation meaning they don't have to live and base their RV in those frequently visited areas. People often fly into the area, rent a car for their use during the vacation and then travel to the VRBO property. Unless they want to rent a car and park it for at the RV owner's property for the duration of their trip transportation to and from the RV's base location will be an issue. No matter how nice a RV you have, and no matter how reasonable your pricing is, it will be difficult to rent it consistently if you live 100+ miles from a major city and airport or don't base your RV in the Florida Keys.
wapiticountry 01/09/21 09:28am General RVing Issues
RE: Anyone rent out their camper?

Grossing $2000.00 a month is not an unreasonable figure. A RV will rent for at least a conservative $100.00 a day. Rent it for An entire month or 30 days produces $3000.00. rent it for 3 out of 4 weeks give you $2K. The question is $2K gross enough to turn a profit after expenses?Only in a perfect world would you get 30 days of rental income in a month, 12 months a year, and the world is far from perfect. In most places there would only be demand for the rental a few months a year. Then you have to account for down days when the rig is returned and you do a turn around on cleaning, setup etc. Seldom will you have the luxury of the next renter wanting it exactly on the day you will have it ready from the previous renter. You will have to account for the fact sometimes people will not return on time, and if you don't have the trailer available you will have a VERY big problem when the next renter shows up at your door. In the supposed example the people are using a rental company to obtain the renters. They will take a fee for the service, probably around 33 to 50% of the rent. So you get 50 to 70% of the income along with 100% of the depreciation and risk. Like others have posted, if it was so lucrative why haven't savvy business people already saturated the market? While I would not consider doing it. I think it could be viable. You first have to see the RV as just an object vs. your personnel living space. I used $100/day just to keep the numbers simple. I trust most RV's rent for more than $100.00/day. There are people renting RV's using a "Air B&B" style business plan. As well as El Monte and others that rent motor homes. There are plenty of existing RV rental businesses.Those Class C rigs are the closest thing to a common Car or SUV as far as operation. That makes them a possibility for the average person. A trailer or a Fifth Wheel would require a compatible tow vehicle with a compatible hitch. They are also de-optioned to make things as simple as possible. They have no Televisions or other electronics that complicate operating the rig. They are very utilitarian and bare boned, not what most people would want as a personal rig. And those national rental companies have numerous rigs to account for scheduling, break downs, etc. They get special pricing when buying from the manufacturers since they are all exactly the same configuration and they are buying hundreds, not one. They are located in high population centers and areas of high tourist demand. And they also move them around the country to take advantage of the fact different areas have different peak rental seasons, so they get a lot more rental nights. Very different than someone with one rig to rent at a static location (their home) that might not be a short UBER or taxi ride from the airport.
wapiticountry 01/08/21 12:20pm General RVing Issues
RE: Fishing Bridge in Yellowstone closed until 2022

COVID: Construction projects months behind schedule. Government construction projects: years behind schedule. COVID + Government: Add a decade or two
wapiticountry 01/08/21 12:07pm RV Parks, Campgrounds and Attractions
RE: Top resorts in United States.. ideas to visit?

In Florida, Bluewater Key near key West, Aztec in Margate,Las Vegas Motorcoach ,Hearthside Groves in Petoskey MI. Also take a look at Newmar's list of RV resprts located hereThose are not exactly kid friendly which is what the OP is looking for. To the OP: What do you consider kid and family friendly? Do you want or need the activities to be part of the park? Most destination parks are not a destination on their own, but rely on the surrounding attractions. If your kids want/need 24/7 internet and cell phone service, Go Carts, Amusement Parks, Water Slides, game rooms and the like a park in or near Yellowstone might not be a good idea. Conversely, if you want them to experience nature, hike and get away from all things commercial a park next to a Six Flags amusement park in a major metro area probably is not your best choice.
wapiticountry 01/08/21 08:33am RV Parks, Campgrounds and Attractions
RE: Something I've not seen before.

Looking at both the damage to the truck and the damage to the fifth wheel I would conclude the Fiver tipped over while they rigs were either stationary or moving at a very low rate of speed. The damage to the truck is limited to a section of the side of the bed, not along the entire side as would be the case in a highway speed roll over and the fifth wheel shows very little damage that would normally occur in a roll over at normal trailering speeds. Best guess is the driver pulled off the elevated roadway and the fifth wheel leaned past the point where the center of gravity would maintain the rig in an upright position. Like someone else posted, at that time something was going to give and the hitch is the most likely point.
wapiticountry 01/07/21 02:49pm Fifth-Wheels
RE: Anyone rent out their camper?

Grossing $2000.00 a month is not an unreasonable figure. A RV will rent for at least a conservative $100.00 a day. Rent it for An entire month or 30 days produces $3000.00. rent it for 3 out of 4 weeks give you $2K. The question is $2K gross enough to turn a profit after expenses?Only in a perfect world would you get 30 days of rental income in a month, 12 months a year, and the world is far from perfect. In most places there would only be demand for the rental a few months a year. Then you have to account for down days when the rig is returned and you do a turn around on cleaning, setup etc. Seldom will you have the luxury of the next renter wanting it exactly on the day you will have it ready from the previous renter. You will have to account for the fact sometimes people will not return on time, and if you don't have the trailer available you will have a VERY big problem when the next renter shows up at your door. In the supposed example the people are using a rental company to obtain the renters. They will take a fee for the service, probably around 33 to 50% of the rent. So you get 50 to 70% of the income along with 100% of the depreciation and risk. Like others have posted, if it was so lucrative why haven't savvy business people already saturated the market?
wapiticountry 01/07/21 09:25am General RVing Issues
RE: August cammping

It will be like boats. People will use them a lot the first year, and every year thereafter they will be used a bit less. But for many people, it isn't a big enough financial commitment or burden to force an immediate liquidation. 2020 had very limited opportunities for people to take their normal vacation. A $25,000 travel trailer is likely less than they would have spent taking the family to Hawaii or Europe. I wouldn't hold my breath waiting on a screaming deal.
wapiticountry 01/03/21 04:00pm RV Parks, Campgrounds and Attractions
RE: Busted!

I had such a nieghbor once. A similar situation. only the beef was a few dead palm tree fronds. The second time I happened to catch the enforcement officer inspecting my house. I pointed out other houses in view from my house with far worse violations. A couple actually had dead trees. I asked why nothing was being done to them. The officer replied that I was the only complaint he had on my street, but if I wanted to file a complaint, he would take action. I said no I do not want to do that. But I would like to know who is complaining about me. He said he could not tell me. I told him "OK, but please give them a message for me. Any more complaints, and I will paint my house pink with big purple polka dots. That is legal as the only thing the law states is that paint must be in good condition." The officer got a big grin on his face. I never had any more complaints.Too bad I was not your neighbor. I would have called in a complaint just to see you cut off your nose to spite your face.You would have lost. I would have only had to do the front of a small patio home. A couple of gallons would have done it easy....A weekend and a case of beer, (which was about a normal weekend then) me and my buddies would have enjoyed it. I could always paint over it later. I would wager that once some of the other neighbors found out why I did it, that there would have been a LOT of pressure on the complainer to knock it off. I doubt that the neighbors would have done anything but laugh that someone would waste their time and money painting their own house a ridiculous color in a vain attempt to prove a point. Granted, sitting on my front porch, drinking a cold beer, watching you and your friends paint your house pink with purple polka dots would make for a weekend to remember. Then I would get to experience the thrill all over again when you spent another weekend repainting it back to normal. However, I must admit I am not considering the possibility that you and your friends actually like to paint houses. Maybe scraping off old paint, sanding rough surfaces, masking off trim, moving and covering furniture, breathing paint fumes and cleaning everything up when you are done up all while baking in the hot sun is your thing. It sure isn't mine.The house was new, so their would not have been any prep work.... And we would have been having a lot of cold brews while doing it... In fact that would have helped out with our artistic talents.... But the hit on everyones property values would have real, and dramatic. And there would not have been a thing anyone could do about it, other than confront the complainer that was the cause of the paint job. The point is.... It worked. And I never make a statement that I am not willing to back up.And no home would suffer a greater loss of value than your purple with pink polka dot one. You claim you would destroy the value of your home to hurt your neighbors. You claim you tossed a 5 gallon bucket of oil into your neighbor's jacuzzi, running them out of town. I'd move too. Life is to short to have to deal with neighbors like you.
wapiticountry 12/30/20 02:45pm Travel Trailers
RE: Busted!

I had such a nieghbor once. A similar situation. only the beef was a few dead palm tree fronds. The second time I happened to catch the enforcement officer inspecting my house. I pointed out other houses in view from my house with far worse violations. A couple actually had dead trees. I asked why nothing was being done to them. The officer replied that I was the only complaint he had on my street, but if I wanted to file a complaint, he would take action. I said no I do not want to do that. But I would like to know who is complaining about me. He said he could not tell me. I told him "OK, but please give them a message for me. Any more complaints, and I will paint my house pink with big purple polka dots. That is legal as the only thing the law states is that paint must be in good condition." The officer got a big grin on his face. I never had any more complaints.Too bad I was not your neighbor. I would have called in a complaint just to see you cut off your nose to spite your face.You would have lost. I would have only had to do the front of a small patio home. A couple of gallons would have done it easy....A weekend and a case of beer, (which was about a normal weekend then) me and my buddies would have enjoyed it. I could always paint over it later. I would wager that once some of the other neighbors found out why I did it, that there would have been a LOT of pressure on the complainer to knock it off. I doubt that the neighbors would have done anything but laugh that someone would waste their time and money painting their own house a ridiculous color in a vain attempt to prove a point. Granted, sitting on my front porch, drinking a cold beer, watching you and your friends paint your house pink with purple polka dots would make for a weekend to remember. Then I would get to experience the thrill all over again when you spent another weekend repainting it back to normal. However, I must admit I am not considering the possibility that you and your friends actually like to paint houses. Maybe scraping off old paint, sanding rough surfaces, masking off trim, moving and covering furniture, breathing paint fumes and cleaning everything up when you are done up all while baking in the hot sun is your thing. It sure isn't mine.
wapiticountry 12/30/20 08:10am Travel Trailers
RE: Busted!

I had such a nieghbor once. A similar situation. only the beef was a few dead palm tree fronds. The second time I happened to catch the enforcement officer inspecting my house. I pointed out other houses in view from my house with far worse violations. A couple actually had dead trees. I asked why nothing was being done to them. The officer replied that I was the only complaint he had on my street, but if I wanted to file a complaint, he would take action. I said no I do not want to do that. But I would like to know who is complaining about me. He said he could not tell me. I told him "OK, but please give them a message for me. Any more complaints, and I will paint my house pink with big purple polka dots. That is legal as the only thing the law states is that paint must be in good condition." The officer got a big grin on his face. I never had any more complaints.Too bad I was not your neighbor. I would have called in a complaint just to see you cut off your nose to spite your face.
wapiticountry 12/29/20 12:58pm Travel Trailers
RE: Anyone heading to Suncoast Designers in 2021?

Just when you thought 2020 couldn't get any stranger, this thread appears.
wapiticountry 12/29/20 09:39am General RVing Issues
RE: Wallet where heart is

Marcus Lemonis The profit, I saw the show: When Marcus Lemonis isn’t running his multi-billion dollar company, Camping World, he goes on the hunt for struggling businesses that are desperate for cash and ripe for a deal.The ability for investors to invest money, time and expertise in struggling businesses is one of the best things about capitalism. It offers a way for those businesses to stay in business and keep their employees employed. I suppose the show could just show why the businesses are struggling and at the end show the owners in Bankruptcy court and the former employees in the unemployment line. Would that be better?
wapiticountry 12/29/20 09:33am Good Sam Club
RE: A top to bottom look at green energy

Well why are high speed trains feasible in Europe and Japan? Look at the population density, the distance between cities is much less than it is in the US. Berlin to Hamburg--177 miles Berlin to Munich-- 350 miles Tokyo to Osaka-- 330 miles New York City to Houston 1700 miles The cities are close, the population density is high. US population density about 90 per sq mile, Germany about 500 per sq mile See the problem. The Cali idiotic planned high speed rail runs thru mostly unpopulated sections of the state. Places that cannot support the train line. Different places mean different economic realities. Added on top of this is the fact that the US optimized train traffic for Freight, thus all those mile long freight trains. Europe and I assume Japan went for passenger trains and they have many more semi trucks on their toads.Bingo! That density and the vast distances are but a part of the problem with rail in the US. Many cities also subscribe to urban sprawl, mean the population and economic hubs are spread around, not concentrated in city centers. Get off your high speed train in downtown Dallas and you might be 50 miles from your Metro Dallas home or business destination. At the same time, that downtown Dallas is almost devoid of a residential population. No one would get off the train and walk home. That same person who marvels at the convenience of trains in Europe and Japan should rightly be impressed with the Roadways in most major US cities as well as our interstate highway system. One can easily travel thru that downtown Dallas and on to any of the many suburbs in their personal car without a worry that the road will be a dead end or narrow to the point only a smart car could pass. That would not be the case in Italy or other European cities where the roads were laid out 500 years ago. Transportation is not a one size fits all proposition.
wapiticountry 12/28/20 10:55am Tow Vehicles
RE: A top to bottom look at green energy

I hate the term green power. Some forms of power generation produce less pollution than others. Moving to natural gas in the interim is an improvement over coal. The wind power and bird kill thing is a myth. The Brits have replaced much of their coal power with wind. Ice cars and EV's both are made out of aluminum, steel, plastic etc. Is there more mining involved in an ICE than an EV? All forms of transportation pollute. Vehicles without tailpipes contribute less to air pollution and poor air quality then vehicles with tail pipes. Important in big cities. Local solar generation will play a significant role in powering vehicles. The average commute takes 6- 8 KW in an EV. Daytime charging with covered solar parking areas can look after significant amounts of the power needed to power EV's. The resistance to EV's will fade away as more people test drive them. I don't believe there is a real need to legislate light cars and trucks off the market...even though it is happening all over the world. In 20 years, no one is going to want a clunky stinky high maintenance vehicle that can't be fueled at home. In 20 years there will be a lot less gas stations in the world. Every single day there are about 3000 new vehicles hitting the road without gas tanks. That will be 6000 a day in two years...and so on and so on. All the above JMHO. Cheers.Those high speed trains need something called "Rails". I am all for those trains as long as the rails do not come within earshot of my home, which makes me just like every other person on the planet. California is the perfect example of why trains will never work. The state started a bullet train project to link LA with San Francisco in 2008. It is now $80 Billion dollars (that's an 8 followed by 10 zeros) over budget on the first segment which will run from Bakersfield to Merced (two garden spots if I do say so myself). They plan to complete that 171 mile first segment in 2028, meaning they are completing 8.5 miles a year. If that was the pace of building the transcontinental railroad (1912 miles, started in 1863) your grandchildren could have witnessed the driving of the golden spike in 2088. They have not obtained the necessary land in either LA or San Francisco (of course land is cheap in those areas, so that won't be a budgetary concern). And that is only the rail line costs. On top of that you need to build out terminals, parking lots, interconnected transportation from the hubs etc. The bullet train is only going to get you from point A to point B, not the billions of destinations in between and beyond. Going to the train hub is going to be no different than going to the airport. You will still need to have security checkpoints, loading and unloading procedures, baggage handling etc. The trains will need to be serviced and cleaned between runs. It will basically be flying without leaving the ground with all the hassles that entails with all the added costs of railways versus free sky.
wapiticountry 12/28/20 08:52am Tow Vehicles
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