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RE: Cold weather, generators, and campgrounds

And another 4 pages of proof of how fickle some people can be…. Call LEOs at 2:30am because of a generator running? Seriously? Was it rude? Yes, sounds like it. Although 15deg with a wind could suck down a camper battery pretty quick if unprepared. But then we’re not all the “perfectly prepared” campers that the rvnet royalty profess to be. Would it be more palatable if you knew some of the gennys were running to keep someone’s newborn baby warm while the new parents were trying to experience camping? (This argument is like the wdh argument, can never be too safe, right? Lol) Or would it be ok if it was a couple old folks who needed to stay warm or their cpap died? (Cpaps ARE figuratively the wdhs of the medical world…hahaha) Or is it better to sit in anger and just “know” that some delinquent is running their genny just to ruin your night and they’re probably playing xbox at 2 am and that’s what used up their battery? See, many different scenarios. All are a rude reason, inherently, to disturb others, so maybe should call the cops!! Maybe I’m blessed to be a heavy sleeper. Or maybe I just have more/more important things to worry about and occupy my time with. So maybe it’s just me…Thank you for being a voice of reason. There are so few of them today. To the "rules are rules" people", do you really believe that to be a line that is never, ever to be crossed? If the speed limit is 25, you don't exceed that if you are taking someone to the hospital who is experiencing a heart attack? Were everyday Germans in the 1940s just following the rules when they betrayed the hiding places of Jews who were then sent to the gas chambers? Yes, those campers running generators outside of generator hours were very likely unprepared. It happens to most everyone at some time or the other. I wonder how those complaining about it would feel if they got lost in the woods or ran out of gas everyone else took the position that they should have been prepared, so whatever happens to them happens, no help or compassion should be given. I would like to think if I am ever caught unprepared, someone will help me, or at least understand I made a mistake. They put their needs above all others. Yes they were unprepared, but it's my contention they knew they were unprepared and are depending on breaking the rules to make themselves comfortable w no regard to those affected.I live and owned businesses in Montana. Yes, tourists are often unprepared for the changing Mountain weather and effects of altitude. They have never experienced it. But then again, I (and I suspect You, being you apparently are in Idaho) would be unprepared to seamlessly navigate the New York Subway system or the Religious and cultural norms of a Middle Eastern Country. Part of always being prepared is being prepared to deal with others who do not follow all the rules. That's why you still look both ways before crossing a street even if there is a crosswalk and pedestrians have the right of way.
wapiticountry 10/19/21 09:46am General RVing Issues
RE: Cold weather, generators, and campgrounds

And another 4 pages of proof of how fickle some people can be…. Call LEOs at 2:30am because of a generator running? Seriously? Was it rude? Yes, sounds like it. Although 15deg with a wind could suck down a camper battery pretty quick if unprepared. But then we’re not all the “perfectly prepared” campers that the rvnet royalty profess to be. Would it be more palatable if you knew some of the gennys were running to keep someone’s newborn baby warm while the new parents were trying to experience camping? (This argument is like the wdh argument, can never be too safe, right? Lol) Or would it be ok if it was a couple old folks who needed to stay warm or their cpap died? (Cpaps ARE figuratively the wdhs of the medical world…hahaha) Or is it better to sit in anger and just “know” that some delinquent is running their genny just to ruin your night and they’re probably playing xbox at 2 am and that’s what used up their battery? See, many different scenarios. All are a rude reason, inherently, to disturb others, so maybe should call the cops!! Maybe I’m blessed to be a heavy sleeper. Or maybe I just have more/more important things to worry about and occupy my time with. So maybe it’s just me…Thank you for being a voice of reason. There are so few of them today. To the "rules are rules" people", do you really believe that to be a line that is never, ever to be crossed? If the speed limit is 25, you don't exceed that if you are taking someone to the hospital who is experiencing a heart attack? Were everyday Germans in the 1940s just following the rules when they betrayed the hiding places of Jews who were then sent to the gas chambers? Yes, those campers running generators outside of generator hours were very likely unprepared. It happens to most everyone at some time or the other. I wonder how those complaining about it would feel if they got lost in the woods or ran out of gas everyone else took the position that they should have been prepared, so whatever happens to them happens, no help or compassion should be given. I would like to think if I am ever caught unprepared, someone will help me, or at least understand I made a mistake.
wapiticountry 10/19/21 09:17am General RVing Issues
RE: Do you always need an RV Park ? .....

I see lots of Class A's in Walmart.Bet you would see a whole lot more in the local RV Parks.
wapiticountry 10/15/21 04:48pm Class A Motorhomes
RE: Renting your RV

Last year we rented out our airstream for a long weekend, we signed up with Ruckify ( A Canadian company) it was a great experience, the rental company ( Ruckify) took care of all insurances, damage deposits. We removed our personal belongings and left all the pots pans cutlery etc. For an extra fee they rented our generator, . Th renter came a picked up the rv, I went through the rv with him and off they went, the rv had to be returned at 2 pm on their last rental day and they left the the thing spotless upon their return. We rented it out for $125.00 a night, and the generator for 30.00 a day. Easy money. And with this COVID thing a lot of people are either renting their rv out or renting an rv. This is no different than renting a home through VRBO or Air BNB .First, it is a bit different than a VRBO. When have you ever seen a VRBO on the side of the road with a flat tire, or stuck in the mud? Second, A long weekend implies 3 or 4 nights max. If you have to pay the rental company out of the rent what do you actually net? If the $125.00 is your net, that still is $500.00 or less. On top of that, you are in Canada, so I assume that is $500.00Cdn., which equates to about $400.00US. No way I would go thru the trouble and risk for that little return. Just not worth it to me.
wapiticountry 10/13/21 08:45am General RVing Issues
RE: Any 80mph PLUS - class Aers still on here ?

If the speed limit is 80 and the conditions warrant driving the speed limit I go 80. I couldn't care less about seeing the one millionth and one corn field, wheat field or exit ramp along the interstate. I'll have plenty of scenery to enjoy when I get to where I am going and by traveling the speed limit I will have more time there as well. BTW, when driving you should be watching the road, not sightseeing.
wapiticountry 10/12/21 09:06am Class A Motorhomes
RE: Newsom signs bill to ban the sell of gas powered generators

43018.11. (a) (1) By July 1, 2022, the state board shall, consistent with federal law, adopt cost-effective and technologically feasible regulations to prohibit engine exhaust and evaporative emissions from new small off-road engines, as defined by the state board. Those regulations shall apply to engines produced on or after January 1, 2024, or as soon as the state board determines is feasible, whichever is later. (2) In determining technological feasibility pursuant to paragraph (1), the state board shall consider all of the following: (A) Emissions from small off-road engines in the state. (B) Expected timelines for zero-emission small off-road equipment development. (C) Increased demand for electricity from added charging requirements for more zero-emission small off-road equipment. (D) Use cases of both commercial and residential lawn and garden users. (E) Expected availability of zero-emission generators and emergency response equipment. (b) Consistent with the regulations adopted pursuant to this section and relevant state law, the state board shall identify, and, to the extent feasible, make available, funding for commercial rebates or similar incentive funding as part of any updates to existing, applicable funding program guidelines for districts to implement to support the transition to zero-emission small off-road equipment operations. Bold emphasis mine. The earliest this will be effective is 2024. And there are built in exemptions for emergency response equipment. In addition, it is all based on whether zero-emission options are available. What this type of legislation does is 1) encourage companies to develop zero emission options and 2) convert the low hanging fruit (ie, more people will buy electric lawn movers and leaf blowers instead of "dirty" ones. It does not say "gas powered" - the regulation is based on the actual emissions. According to the bill, these small off road engines produce more emissions in one hour than a non-electric/hybrid vehicle produces over 1,100 miles of drive time (or 1.47 hours driving at 75 mph). If manufacturers reduce those emissions in their products significantly, then that can extend the timeline. It's amazing how many folks get their panties in a twist over something they've never bothered to actually read. Thank you for posting the actual text. Hopefully more states will do this and provide even more incentive for development of zero-emission options.And even better, all these wonder machines will be produced in third world countries like China that are actually ramping up coal fueled electrical generation to meet the increased demand from the manufacturing industry. China is building 47 new coal fired power plants currently and estimates are they will construct up to several hundred more. Nothing happens in a vacuum. (multiple sources including Time.com and CNBC).
wapiticountry 10/11/21 09:25am Around the Campfire
RE: Newsom signs bill to ban the sell of gas powered generators

When generators are outlawed, only outlaws will have generators.Hopefully when I am imprisoned for owning an illegal leaf blower my cellmate will be a store owner who didn't have gender neutral toy isles (No pink or blue color schemes, another law going into effect). It will make decoration the bars much easier.
wapiticountry 10/10/21 08:50am Around the Campfire
RE: Ever hear of this camping company? Harvest Host

It's not necessarily a scam but you misunderstand their purpose. They are not intended to provide sites for you to stay a week in the wilderness. The idea is a winery/brewer/golf course/etc... offers to let you spend the night (typically without utilities) in a field or back lot with the expectation you patronize the business. I do agree completely with your #2 issue. Why they would hide the locations makes zero sense. They give some BS answer about the businesses wanting privacy but what business wants to hide from potential customers. They indicate that your purchases are the only benefit the business receives. So my guess is hosts don't really care if you are an official member. They make the same amount if you are officially a member or not. So this is a way for the parent company to make sure you buy a membership. We considered it but decided not to join as we couldn't determine if there were sites suitable for our needs. With 1 night, it would be mostly when we were just quickly passing thru an area and if we have to drive 10-20miles off our route, it's not worth the trouble.They hide it because they know the host couldn't care less if you are a member or not. They get no site fee. They get nothing from the Harvest Host company other than advertising. I am sure 99.9% of the hosts would let someone stay under the exact same terms who weren't HH members. There is actually no difference to them, financially or otherwise. Only Harvest Host company has a vested interest in keeping the info secret until you join. It is their only incentive to get you to pay that $99.00. It is the only thing they offer for the $99.00. If you could get it for free, why pay?
wapiticountry 10/10/21 08:45am RV Parks, Campgrounds and Attractions
RE: Newsom signs bill to ban the sell of gas powered generators

Great idea. It will help offset the pollution from both India and China who are increasing electrical production using coal. And it will also further reduce California's emissions because only 75% of the electricity used in California comes from California. So 25% of the pollution from generating the additional electricity will clog the air and water of other states. All kidding aside, it is a feel good, minimal impact law that will have many undesirable and likely unseen consequences should it ever be enacted. I wonder how happy Californians are going to be when the next big earthquake hits and generators are banned. Or when the next big forest fire can't be fought effectively because the firefighters can't use gas powered chain saws. Or your can't pump the water out of your basement in a flood because gas powered pumps are a no no. And like most of this type of legislation it goes into effect after those who wrote and supported it are long gone, leaving others to clean up the mess. Political points in exchange for real world problems.
wapiticountry 10/10/21 08:37am Around the Campfire
RE: I'm actually in favor of high cancelation fees....

Full payment at time of reservation. Cancellation fee equal to one night's stay. No refund if cancelled less than 30 days prior to arrival date. No refund for shortening stay. Must arrive on 1st day of reservation or reservation is cancelled and site made available to others. Only exception to policy is if the guest contacts the reservation office prior to arrival and moves arrival date back. They will get no refund for the day(s) they cancel but the remaining reservation will remain in place. This will accommodate people who have travel issues on the road.
wapiticountry 10/01/21 09:05am RV Parks, Campgrounds and Attractions
RE: Oregon to charge 25% more for out of state RV campers

A sure way to attract tourism dollars is to tax the tourists heavy, NOT."Kids we aren't going to Disneyland or Yellowstone, or that state park in Oregon because the tax rate is too high" is something no one has ever said.
wapiticountry 09/27/21 05:52pm General RVing Issues
RE: Oregon to charge 25% more for out of state RV campers

Greed abounds. The campground that we stay at on a monthly basis (at a discounted rate) is dropping their monthly sites because they can make more money on nightlies and a full campground.Unlike that dirty rotten greedy park owner, I am sure you have passed on every chance you have had to increase your income. In retrospect that appears to be a bad decision on your part. Because if you had taken those opportunities to increase your income you could likely afford to pay that nightly rate and still stay for a month.
wapiticountry 09/25/21 08:55am General RVing Issues
RE: Oregon to charge 25% more for out of state RV campers

Considering residents pay income and property taxes to Oregon that fund things like parks and out of state campers do not, it seems only fair that residents should get a break. Well Oregon state parks are not tax payer supported, the funding is from three major sources, user fees, a share of lottery dollars, and a percentage of RV registration fees.Even so, I doubt much of the revenue from Lottery sales and RV registrations come from out of state visitors. Oregon residents still provide the vast majority of the funding for the Parks.
wapiticountry 09/24/21 08:15am General RVing Issues
RE: Oregon to charge 25% more for out of state RV campers

NO one seems to take into consideration travelers buy local fuel, groceries, and pay fees for attractions and entertainment, including state taxes. Maybe every state should charge the same for all campers, then every state would probably get more traveling campers for longer stays, AND generate more state revenue overall. We cannot ONLY compare state park fees to arrive at all state revenues generated from out-of-state campers.I suspect the number of RV travelers that base there destination decisions on how much the state parks charge is extremely close zero. The parks are apparently full, so the local businesses are going to do just fine. Fact is a dollar from an Oregon resident is exactly as valuable as a dollar from a Kentucky resident as far as any merchant is concerned.
wapiticountry 09/23/21 01:21pm General RVing Issues
RE: Oregon to charge 25% more for out of state RV campers

Considering residents pay income and property taxes to Oregon that fund things like parks and out of state campers do not, it seems only fair that residents should get a break.
wapiticountry 09/22/21 08:44am General RVing Issues
RE: HarvestHost......anyone using it?

I just heard about boondockers welcome and wondered if it we would like to host. The Terms of Use are somewhat formidable but probably similar to something like Airbnb. I like that it’s a free night or two for travelers. Our town approved Airbnb so it’s probably legal. I’m wondering if it’s asking for trouble from people who carry and think guns are a solution to being unhappy or angry with someone or have annoying dogs they don’t clean up after. We could provide 15 amp service but not enough to run air conditioning etc. Boondockers would have to run generators at least part of the time. Would our neighbors hate the idea? Would you? We have about 2 acres and our neighbors have at least an acre lot and it’s semi rural.If your area does not have ambient noise normally, a generator running at night will be highly annoying. Don't understand the concern over guns unless you plan on making the guests unhappy and angry. And yes, as a former RV park owner people will have dogs that bark and some owners will not clean up after them. If you are rural and your lawns not fully manicured the dog waste issue (and the likelihood the guests will drain a gray tank onto the ground) will increase. Another concern is how will your neighbors react to a stream of unknown individuals camping in the area. Remember not all RV occupants are related to Mother Teresa.
wapiticountry 09/18/21 09:15am Class C Motorhomes
RE: Black Eye

It never ceases to amaze me that many truckers are working for the man and drive like crazy. They don't get any "at a boys " from the owner or company but rather will be fired for a accident. So why take chances or drive in a unsafe manner. Few companies reward safe drivers. This includes all trucks. Dump, gravel, 18 wheeler, delivery trucks etc. Slow down guys you won't be fired for being safe but will be for accidents.Most truckers are paid by the mile. Others, they work until the job is done. For either, going as fast as legally possible will benefit them. They will either get more money since they drive more miles in their federally allotted driving window or they get done sooner and can go home. "The man" has nothing to do with either. Would you feel the same about an employee who worked in slow motion if their job was a cashier at the grocery store or a clerk at the DMV? I bet if you were in one of those lines you wouldn't like it. Even "the man" has the right to expect his employees to work to the best of their ability. If I ever had an employee who deliberately worked at half speed because he was paid by the hour, they would quickly become an ex-employee.
wapiticountry 09/17/21 10:28am General RVing Issues
RE: Kia, Hyundai: Please come to the rescue "Pathetic Quality"

So for most people, paying for a better quality vehicle is a no brainer. But for an RV, many folks will forego quality to get a better price, or get the floorplan or size they want. I think the floorplan variety is part of the problem - like look at Forest River - they have 4 bumper pull travel trailer sub-brands (and that doesn't even include their fifth wheel and toy haulers), and each of those sub-brands has between 10 to 17 different floorplans. There's no way they can develop custom jigs and other tooling devoted to each floorplan when they need to assemble 40 different varieties of TT, and they also can't develop best practices for how to assemble them because lessons learned on cable routing or how to mount the cabinets more securely aren't the same for each floorplan. I wish each manufacturer would have fewer choices in length and floorplan but more focus on quality. But floorplan, apparently, is what sells -- it's easy to walk into an RV and see that the bed and bathroom are where you want them, it's much harder to see that they routed a wiring harness under the sewer line so it's going to chafe and wear through in a few months. I always liked how Irv Perch handled that with the American Clippers. Because they were molded fiberglass shells, he was limited. A window move meant a separate mold for that wall, which was very expensive. So of his 21ft models, he only had two molds. One was used for the rear kitchen and side kitchen layouts. The outside storage, windows, door, fridge, furnace, tanks, and water heater remained in the same locations so wiring, piping, etc, was standardized. The second mold was specific to the bunkhouse layout. If you see a clipper on the road, you can easily idenify a bunkhouse because of the windows and door placement. This was the only model that had different placement of fridge, furnace, etc. Even the 24ft models maintained the same basic positioning of those items. So, there was little variation to the hidden build. Where he gave options were in things like a standard dinette versus an L shaped dinette, or two chairs and cabinet versus a couch. They were cosmetic differences only. Between the 3 molds, he offered 27 floorplans, but the build centered on only 4 variations (side kitchen, rear kitchen, bunkhouse, 24ft).And the rest of the story is American Clipper went out of business in 1980 after being in business less than 8 years. So maybe it wasn't a better mousetrap after all.
wapiticountry 09/15/21 07:46am Travel Trailers
RE: “Pathetic quality”: RV dealers are fed up...

Imagine what kind of employees you get for $7.25/hour. Yes, that's Indiana's minimum wage.I did a bit of Google research and couldn't find any indication that RV plant employees are paid at minimum wage. The job listings for Thor, for example show pay in the $15.00 range for general labor. Forest River is shown to have many positions paying in the $20.00 Hr. range (source Glassdoor.com) These are new employee, entry level wages, I would expect those wages would increase with seniority and experience. It isn't exactly Silicon Valley executive level pay, but it is way more than any quoted minimum wage for the state. Over the years the minimum wage conversation has somehow morphed from not exploiting high school kids and totally unskilled labor entering the work force for the first time to how it should be a living wage for a family. If you are not in one of those two categories and still making that minimum wage, your career path is in need of some serious re-evaluation.
wapiticountry 09/13/21 09:04am General RVing Issues
RE: RV Travel Insurance ??

Travel insurance will generally only pay if you cannot travel, not if you just choose not to make the trip. What is the actual risks that would mean you couldn't make the trip? A Personal health problem is the most likely. Other than that you are getting into scenarios that are very unlikely to occur, such as complete bans on travel. Then you have to consider what you are actually insuring against. It apparently mostly cancellation fees that amount to what, a few hundred dollars at most? Not like potentially losing airline ticket fares, hotel and cruise cancellation fees and the like that run into multiple thousands of dollars when normally purchasing travel insurance. I doubt that the price of any such insurance for RV travel would be worth it, even if you could find it in the first place.
wapiticountry 08/27/21 11:42am General RVing Issues
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