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RE: alliance 5th Wheels

At the Tampa RV show I found the Redwood, Cedar Creek champagne, and Grand Design Solitude to offer more than the Alliance if one considers the 10k difference in full body paint. The the others suspensions were more robust, appliance seletion, wire sizing, plumbing and fixtures were either the same or better. Alliance was rather silent on A/C ducting and insulation as compared to others. No data on temperature variations in the living and storage areas. Allience offer heavy 4K springs, but the axles and brakes were still 7Ks. The others had 8K axels and brakes. I am glad to see more competition in the RV industry, but this new commer needs to climb the moutain a little more aggressively and I am not sure if they are RVIA certified. I am somewhat concerned that the managment credentials are not engineering oriented. Thats because they ARE NOT.... they BOTH have backgrounds in finance,,, They are bean counters... Read their story....
ford truck guy 01/23/20 06:21pm Fifth-Wheels
RE: alliance 5th Wheels

At the Tampa RV show I found the Redwood, Cedar Creek champagne, and Grand Design Solitude to offer more than the Alliance if one considers the 10k difference in full body paint. The the others suspensions were more robust, appliance seletion, wire sizing, plumbing and fixtures were either the same or better. Alliance was rather silent on A/C ducting and insulation as compared to others. No data on temperature variations in the living and storage areas. Allience offer heavy 4K springs, but the axles and brakes were still 7Ks. The others had 8K axels and brakes. I am glad to see more competition in the RV industry, but this new commer needs to climb the moutain a little more aggressively and I am not sure if they are RVIA certified. I am somewhat concerned that the managment credentials are not engineering oriented.
neal10a 01/23/20 05:06pm Fifth-Wheels
RE: alliance 5th Wheels

It sounds like you have buyers paying for the privilege of being the short and long term testing departments. Just think Grand Design was a small start up just a few years ago. Grew big, cashed out and now they have a cult like following. Dan Yep, and the first one we had rolled out the the factory door the end of the 2nd month the factory was open for business. I feel we were extremely lucky knowing what I know about issues others had roundabout the same time. Never joined the cult. Yep, I never bought into the GD cult either. The reality is they are just another Indiana manufacturer that follows the same culture of the slapped together mentality with Lippert everything. My guess is Alliance has seen the success of Grand Design and are trying to follow the same path of success until they can sell out for big $$. The bigger a company gets generally the worse the service is going to be. I do hope for all the best for them though. Dan
Hammerboy 01/22/20 09:25am Fifth-Wheels
RE: alliance 5th Wheels

Alliance RV is selling units now. There are some dealers with small numbers on their lots but they are selling out very fast through the RV shows. They are currently being produced at their smallish shop while their new production facility is being built, but they are manufacturing units for sale. They have at least 3 models they are currently showing (and selling) at the rv shows through their dealer network. Here is a unit you can buy today. https://www.cousinsrv.com/product/fifth-wheel/new?s=true&manufacturer=alliance+rv No dog in this fight just stating facts. There really isn't a lot different that I see between these and Grand Design, Montana, Pinnacle or Vanleigh. Lippert frame, dexter axles, similar if not identical layouts, furniture etc.. That's interesting, whoda thunk? Not sure I would be up for laying down the coin for one of the first few to roll out of "their smallish shop while their new production facility is being built". Then again they may be the best RV ever made, but I highly doubt it. It sounds like you have buyers paying for the privilege of being the short and long term testing departments.
GDS-3950BH 01/22/20 06:52am Fifth-Wheels
RE: alliance 5th Wheels

Alliance RV is selling units now. There are some dealers with small numbers on their lots but they are selling out very fast through the RV shows. They are currently being produced at their smallish shop while their new production facility is being built, but they are manufacturing units for sale. They have at least 3 models they are currently showing (and selling) at the rv shows through their dealer network. Here is a unit you can buy today. https://www.cousinsrv.com/product/fifth-wheel/new?s=true&manufacturer=alliance+rv No dog in this fight just stating facts. There really isn't a lot different that I see between these and Grand Design, Montana, Pinnacle or Vanleigh. Lippert frame, dexter axles, similar if not identical layouts, furniture etc..
work2much 01/21/20 02:03pm Fifth-Wheels
RE: alliance 5th Wheels

^^. GDS hit the nail on the head. It is a prototype of a single model. Ran across the story on an RV trade publication website. The Tampa show was its first appearance. FWIW, RV One and LazyDays in Florida have apparently signed on to the Alliance dealer network.
thomasmnile 01/21/20 12:23pm Fifth-Wheels
RE: alliance 5th Wheels

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VdBnnwuXPpYHERE is a video done by a man named Traveling Robert who looked at the new Alliance line. Right off the bat, it's a good looking rig. IMO he was looking at a custom built prototype, where they probably took the time to do an extra special job, especially in the fit and finish department. They apparently have 4 prototypes that they are rotating around the winter RV shows . What they don't have yet is a production facility. I would bet the units that get built on a production line by pieceworkers will be slightly different.
GDS-3950BH 01/21/20 11:14am Fifth-Wheels
RE: alliance 5th Wheels

judging from the comments about Alliance, I think they show how much the folks want improvement in durability and quality in the RV industry. Is Alliance going to fill that need, I am not sure. It is new and unproven, but I don't see it as that much of improvement over its competition. Vanleigh had similar responces when it came out, but it has not proven to be better than its competition. In short many people are quick to jump for anything touted to be better and improved, while in reality it is not so. caveat emptor....
neal10a 01/21/20 10:11am Fifth-Wheels
RE: alliance 5th Wheels

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VdBnnwuXPpYHERE is a video done by a man named Traveling Robert who looked at the new Alliance line. Right off the bat, it's a good looking rig.
texanrvr 01/20/20 05:33pm Fifth-Wheels
RE: alliance 5th Wheels

I'll bet a fast food dinner deluxe that the selling price on the much drooled on Lifestyle was way, way more then any similar sized offering from Alliance or Grand Design. Funny how many people want the build quality of a $200,000 RV and complain when they don't see it in an RV with and MSRP of $80,000. Hmm, wonder why that is?
minnow 01/19/20 01:21pm Fifth-Wheels
RE: alliance 5th Wheels

Luxury would include a rear cap! I would put them right there with the Solitude by GD. Close but no cigar. Owning a Grand Design Solitude I can confirm it is far from Luxury, built the same with the same cheap parts as most everything else. Although its advertised as "full time ready" or something I would not want to full time in it. I suspect the OP was looking at one off prototypes built taking more care and time than units that will be built on a line by pieceworkers. I also suspect Alliance will be more of the same old mass produced, slapped together and shoved out the door product based on the owners background, just like the folks that started Grand Design had done. Get it off the ground, build up a base using creative marketing then sell out. That is Alliance's intent IMO. Time will tell. I totally agree. Why do the creators of Alliance RV think they will earn buyers trust when they have come from companies riddled with complaints. While I have no intentions of getting rid of by 2014, I still closely follow the market. I do not see one thing done differently or special about Alliance. Pcm, not trying to deviate from the subject, but I see in your signature you have a Lifestyle. I recently watched a couple of short YouTube videos of Lifestyle fivers and they seem impressive. Are they as good as they look? JK
JKJavelin 01/19/20 08:29am Fifth-Wheels
RE: alliance 5th Wheels

Luxury would include a rear cap! I would put them right there with the Solitude by GD. Close but no cigar. Owning a Grand Design Solitude I can confirm it is far from Luxury, built the same with the same cheap parts as most everything else. Although its advertised as "full time ready" or something I would not want to full time in it. I suspect the OP was looking at one off prototypes built taking more care and time than units that will be built on a line by pieceworkers. I also suspect Alliance will be more of the same old mass produced, slapped together and shoved out the door product based on the owners background, just like the folks that started Grand Design had done. Get it off the ground, build up a base using creative marketing then sell out. That is Alliance's intent IMO. Time will tell. I totally agree. Why do the creators of Alliance RV think they will earn buyers trust when they have come from companies riddled with complaints. While I have no intentions of getting rid of by 2014, I still closely follow the market. I do not see one thing done differently or special about Alliance.
pcm1959 01/19/20 08:09am Fifth-Wheels
RE: alliance 5th Wheels

Luxury would include a rear cap! I would put them right there with the Solitude by GD. Close but no cigar. Owning a Grand Design Solitude I can confirm it is far from Luxury, built the same with the same cheap parts as most everything else. Although its advertised as "full time ready" or something I would not want to full time in it. I suspect the OP was looking at one off prototypes built taking more care and time than units that will be built on a line by pieceworkers. I also suspect Alliance will be more of the same old mass produced, slapped together and shoved out the door product based on the owners background, just like the folks that started Grand Design had done. Get it off the ground, build up a base using creative marketing then sell out. That is Alliance's intent IMO. Time will tell.
GDS-3950BH 01/19/20 07:42am Fifth-Wheels
alliance 5th Wheels

Saw this new brand at the Tampa RV Super show........Damm what an improvement over the major name brands....
Bob Vaughn 01/18/20 03:09pm Fifth-Wheels
RE: SOLVED No 12V

All fuse are under the dashboard. My electric mirror do not work. I was looking for the fuse and found today. Thank you Winnebago for the confusion - next time hide better. I think there are two competitions at vehicle manufacturers and RV body builders as well One is "How well can we hide it" (See this thread) The other is "how can we make it hard to service" 1970 Ford or GM Heater core replacement Manual says "Drain the cooling system" (Most just hemostat the heater hoses) Disconnect heater hose from core Remove about a dozen screws from cover. life cover, pad and core. Install new or rebulit core. replace pad, cover and screws, re-attach hoses and top off cooling system. takes almost as long to do as it does to type it out. Today's Evacuate the air conditioner system and disconnect lines at fire wall an seal off.. Again drain cooling system (or hemostat). Dissassemble passanger side of dash (most cars read on for Renault) Slide A/C evaporator out on it's rails and lift heater core out from behind it. Renault alliance: Remove steering column (the heater core is between the driver's legs... Or was in the past) I'm sure some engineer won awards for making it so much harder to do.
wa8yxm 01/14/20 05:44am Class A Motorhomes
RE: "Death Wobble" updated, fixed

So what brand has the most Death Wobble? chevman OK Alliance, World’s Largest Shopping Cart Maker https://www.okalliance.com/2010/12/worlds-largest-shopping-cart-maker/ About half of the shopping carts at my local supermarket has this death wobble... :B I will take that over one that pulls to the left or right!! :E :E :E
Me Again 01/10/20 08:00pm Tow Vehicles
RE: "Death Wobble" updated, fixed

So what brand has the most Death Wobble? chevman OK Alliance, World’s Largest Shopping Cart Maker https://www.okalliance.com/2010/12/worlds-largest-shopping-cart-maker/ About half of the shopping carts at my local supermarket has this death wobble... :B
BenK 01/10/20 07:26pm Tow Vehicles
RE: New 5th Wheel Manufacturer

I joined the Alliance FB group where the company solicits input from potential customers. The group is fairly active with the company answering questions and in some case making input led changes. Here is the pinned post. None of this is earthshaking but it is nice to see a company listening to potential customers. We are holding off on a new trailer until next year so we might throw them into the ring for consideration although I think a new Solitude is in our future. I am not at all affiliated with them, this is just cut and paste from Facebook. Long post alert: There was a great question asked on this page earlier today in regards to how Alliance RV will be significantly different from the rest of the industry in a number of different areas. While we have answered many of these in one fashion or another over the past few months, we welcomed this opportunity to compile a number of these critical topics into one post. Thank you again for following our progress and providing your input. 1. ENGINEERING AND CONSTRUCTION – One of the biggest areas we have heard expressed repeatedly as needing improvement was with the running gear (ie. tires, axles, springs, shackles, etc). To enhance the “safety cushion” available and minimize potential for running gear failure during your travels, our standard running gear system consists of the following: Dexter HD 4000 lb springs (ipo 3500 lb), MorRyde CRE3000 suspension, MorRyde HD shackles and wet bolt kit, and a 14-ply G-Range tire rated at 4,400 lbs (ipo 4080 lbs). Disk brakes will be an available option for those that desire. We have also taken this same approach of durability with our holding tanks as all have been significantly reinforced with additional steel bars and straps. While no manufacturer will recommend travelling with full tanks, we know that there are times this is done and we want to make sure that the tanks are securely installed. The construction of our coach shell consists of all our vertical surfaces being laminated construction with an Azdel substrate (ie. sidewalls, rear wall, slideroom walls). The floor is aluminum framed with fiberglass insulation and the roof is 5” crowned wood trusses. We chose wood for the roof so as we fastened the roof panels and trim to the ceiling, our fasteners have better bite into wood than they do aluminum. When it comes to plumbing the coach, we have used all American made PEX water lines and clamps (no braided hosing), along with plumbing shut off valves at key locations (sinks, toilets, washer/dryer prep area, etc.) In regards to the wiring of the coach, we are using color coded and numbered wires to help with both the serviceability and for the ease of those looking to do personal modifications. 2. FLOORPLANS – We will be launching in January with 4 floorplans and expand the lineup ultimately to 8-10 floorplans throughout 2020. Our initial focus is on some key traditional layouts that we have put our unique stamp on to enhance the overall functionality of the unit. Please note that a traditional layout does not mean that it has the same traditional functionality of what you have seen historically. As we expand the lineup, I would expect that we will debut a couple less traditional layouts. 3. SALES/DISTRIBUTION NETWORK – We are currently in process of establishing our dealer network which will ultimately comprise of dealers across the US and Canada. We have had significant interest from dealers across the country and are taking our time to partner with who we believe to be the best overall sales/servicing dealer in each market. We will be launching in January and will need to roll out our product in a controlled manner. With our unique business model of partnering with only 1 dealer per market, we will be fully vested with that one dealer in a market who will carry all of the Alliance brands as we expand our lineup. This is a rare model in the RV industry that will allow us to forge stronger partnerships with our dealers that will also benefit the owners of Alliance product. 4. CUSTOMER SERVICE/WARRANTY – We are diligently working to build a better product, but by no means do we claim we will be perfect. In the case that there is a service/warranty need that arises you will find that our ability to communicate will be how we stand out above what has become the “norm” for the RV industry. We need our dealers and will recommend that you work through your local dealer. However, we also understand that every service situation seems to have its own unique set of circumstances and getting to the local dealer may not be feasible. Our ability to keep open lines of communication and creative service solutions will help us navigate thru finding the best route for a specific case. On top of this we are also incorporating a number of service/warranty programs for our dealers that will help streamline the approval process and parts delivery times (All towards the goal of getting the customer back on the road faster). 5. INNOVATION – I think this can best be summed up by our customer driven approach. As we are inviting feedback from RVers, we are listening and using this information to find ways that we can address many of the common needs, wants, and even simple functional items that other manufacturers have not yet addressed. Following are just a few of these customer driven features we are implementing: a. Flush floor kitchen slide b. Light dimming switches (This is something that we saw many consumers doing in the aftermarket) c. Soft close cabinet doors and toilet seats d. USBs on both sides of sofa, loveseat and master bed e. Smart storage areas (pull out fireplace storage, flip top end table storage and flip top dresser storage)
work2much 12/26/19 10:36am Fifth-Wheels
RE: New 5th Wheel Manufacturer

Here is an article from dealer show that tells a little about the build. Looks like it will be in the range around the Riverstone, Landmark, etc. Looks interesting but no surprises. I was hoping that they would build their own chassis and a quality unit like Carriage used to be. I have one of the last off the Assy. line before they closed and I will tell you it is quality all the way. No build issues at all. Let's hope this company gets away from Lippert and really has quality and the consumer in mind. We had a 2011 Cameo. Carriage closed in 2012 and we traded it for a built to order 2014 Lifestyle LS36fw. Lifestyle is a direct carry-over of Carriage with improvements in the slide-outs and a couple of other things. Like you, I know its a well built rig with an in-house built strong frame. We have looked at the Tamps show every year since but walk away knowing that what we have is built far better than the new ones. It will be 6 years old in march and never was back to the dealer. Nothing inside is separating or has needed adjustment. No cabinets have separated, no doors have come off, no molding has come loose, no closet clothes rod loaded with clothes has fallen down, no delam (hung wall construction, etc. The interiors of new RVs look soooo cheap. The manufacturers are fooling the buyer into thinking they are producing chic, modern interiors. Its just a disguise for CHEAP. Bottom line is, until we stop buying such junk they won't stop building it. Bling and marketing sells and RV manufacturers have endless claims to R values, etc. I again can't stress enough that they should focus on is build quality no matter the price point so they don't spend so much time on warranty work. The customer does not want to have to return to the dealer and cancel upcoming trips due to service issues. I wonder if the guys starting this new company follow the forums? Bottom line is going to THEIR bottom line.
pcm1959 12/25/19 11:14am Fifth-Wheels
RE: New 5th Wheel Manufacturer

Here is an article from dealer show that tells a little about the build. Looks like it will be in the range around the Riverstone, Landmark, etc. Looks interesting but no surprises. I was hoping that they would build their own chassis and a quality unit like Carriage used to be. I have one of the last off the Assy. line before they closed and I will tell you it is quality all the way. No build issues at all. Let's hope this company gets away from Lippert and really has quality and the consumer in mind.
joelc 12/25/19 10:55am Fifth-Wheels
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