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Beaux Duke

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Posted: 05/21/08 08:22pm Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

Fuel seems to be a little cheaper in Mexico. About half what it is here. Check out this post.Mexican Diesel


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Running out of oil! Heard that story when I was a kid in the Weekly Reader, back in 1938. They said we had only 20 years more of oil. There has been a lot of oil discovered since then, and still a lot is being discovered. You have to look for it, and governments have to get out of the way. Brazil has just discovered a big find, and has plenty more space to look. Russia has a lot, but with the government and corruption there it'll be a long while before they get it on the market. And of course there is Alaska, and Canada! Baloney, "running out of oil"! Jordan


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eltejano1 wrote:

Weekender:

Don't you think we should at least preserve a few reserves for plastics, chemicals, fabrics, paint and all the other products we use petroleum for? Trying to drill our way out of this, draining every last drop of oil out of the ground, might make it a LITTLE easier for you and I to go on vacation this summer but all it would do is put-off the inevitable, and even worse, crisis a few years down the road. These little pockets of oil would have minimal effect on prices. We have to wean ourselves from it.

While I don't associate myself with the "green" movement, we should certainly consider environmental factors to some extent. We shouldn't destroy all wild habitat for the sake of satisfying our addiction to petroleum! But, like all addictions, it's hard to break. Scapegoating groups - greenies, speculators, oil executives, foreign potentates - isn't going to solve the problem.

The solution lies within ourselves - park the rv and hang-up the toys, get a little car, make the kids ride the bus, share a ride to work, let the grass get a little longer before you mow, drive the car as slowly as possible, get together with neighbors and go shopping in one vehicle, and on and on.

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That's all well and good but what about the investment we have in our fifth wheel and tow vehicle! Perhaps you have the funds just to park yours but we don't. Anyway, we only have one chance to live this life, why do we have to give up what we use as our relaxation after working 80 hours a week!!!!!! I am from England originally which is way smaller than the USA. A country this size should be able to provide the fuel needed for the world that "we" as in all those on earth, have created for ourselves. Mrs J


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My turn to step on the soap box...

All this debating back and forth over the reason for high oil prices, and the way to deal with it is very interesting. I am amazed at the attitudes that come from some people. Like it's their right to have lower gas prices. Or, how they worked hard all their life and now they are owed something from society, or the government. Get a grip! The government may have to step in one day, but it is quite unlikely for some time. You work your whole life, then you die. It may suck but it's reality. We all have to adjust. RV's are not necessary for 99% of the population. Nor are boats, dirt-bikes, hot-rods, you name it...Toys. Sure they bring us relaxation and enjoyment. Maybe we invested tons of money in our toys. But that may have turned out to be a bad investment. If I was looking to invest a bunch of money it sure wouldn't be in an RV company right now. I accept the fact that gas is going through the roof, and am learning to deal with it. I have a 460 gas engine in my RV and it sucks gas at 7 mpg. Guess what? It's parked. Ya this sucks, yes I invested lots of money in it, but what can I do about it? The truth is gas is going to keep rising at the same rate we keep burning it. The future will only get worse as prices will continue to rise. I am in control of my life and I will adjust accordingly. Nobody owes me anything except a pay cheque every two weeks, and my pension when I cannot work any more.
The lifestyle that we are used to in North America is going to change. The RV industry is going to be hit very hard.


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Wouldn't you rather stabilize it at $4.00 than $10.00?


Too late, diesel just hit $5.01 in Modesto, CA.


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$5.00 a gallon on the way to $10.00 and $15.00 dollars a gallon, according to HNN this evening. It's gonna take some real money to run with the BIG DOGS.

This thing has legs, and they're exercising them. We'll pay any price for fuel, and they know it. We'll look back at $4.00 a gallon as "The Good Old Days."





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Mrs J in North Dakota:

We're in exactly the same situation - a 30K diesel truck that's now virtually useless and 20K trailer that's parked. Listen to the gentleman from Kamploops - a young father with children. Imagine how hard that young family is being hit by $5.00 fuel! He's facing-up to this and we have to also. My 2005 diesel truck had a trade-in value of 19.5K a year ago - now many dealers won't even take them or offer less than than 10K. Our trailer is virtually worthless now, but we did make a nice weekend camp with it near home and, in that way, salvaged a little bit of rv'ing fun and lifestyle.

You should have heard the crying and anguish that went on in my house over this. My wife of 43 years was willing to pay ANY price to continue the rv'ing we loved so much - Like Skid Row Joe and 7th Cavalry. We haven't lived our lives this way, and that's why we have enough money to even be able to make the choice. I had to put my foot down and it wasn't pretty - I spent a few nights in the recliner with my old pal, Jim Beam, in front of a muted TV! She's recovered and now looks forward to going to our new camp on weekends - where we can share photo albums with others who once burned up the roads and had to quit. We didn't HAVE TO quit, but it was the prudent and sensible thing to do.

These things happen "as the world turns" (which my wife has watched every day for 40 years.)Imagine our grandparents anquish when the banks went under in 1930, with no FDIC, and their life savings were wiped-out in an instant. Our problems are frivolous by comparison. Hang in there!

Love and Prayers to you and your family, Mrs. J,

Jack

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Hi Jordan and Bev:

Many of these remaining reserves are in difficult places - deep ocean, etc. - and not easily within our geo-political grasp. The poorer countries that control them will be able to exact any price they want from a fuel-hungry world. And we will have no choice but to buy it - at $200, or $300,/barrel - because we're at least a decade away from any feasible alternatives to power our vehicles. We must carefully husband these pricey resources and set priorities on their use. Rv'ing will NOT be high on the priority list - and that's an understatement. They will probably be taxed out of existence - rusting, mildew-covered relics of a golden age of affluence, decadent symbols of a time long ago when paupers lived like kings

On an individual basis, smart people are making lifestyle changes and preparing for a new world where gasoline will be precious, coveted and extremely expensive. We won't be able to afford to waste a single drop of it.

Jack

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The Reason For High Oil Prices


Some quotes from the link:

"One of the things I think is very important to realize is that the growth in the world oil consumption is not that strong." —David Kelly, chief market strategist, J.P. Morgan Funds; The Washington Post, May 4, 2008

We do know that refineries in the U.S. again cut back their utilization to 85%. That's down from 89% a year ago, in a season when production is normally 95%, only because they're trying to draw down gasoline inventories to bid gasoline prices up.

No supply crisis justifies the way the world's oil is being priced today.

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Oil Bubble Will Burst Soon

Some quotes from the link:

"We don't feel $120 is justifiable in terms of underlying fundamentals."

"The report blamed the price spike on a $40 billion inflow into commodity index funds this year"

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