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Mocoondo

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I agree with Mocoondo on 99.999 things he says. He is one of the best resources on here. But if me I would change every fluid you have. You have no idea if someone took the rear diff for a swim or if some renter added whatever to trans.


Opinion -- Take it for whatever it's worth -- The odds of an average renter servicing a transmission with anything at all is as close to nil as you can get. They just don't go anywhere near it. After the first trans service, it becomes real iffy whether there is any added benefit servicing it again. Most trans guys that I know insist that if you have managed to take a trans over 100K miles, to just leave it alone beyond that and only take action if you notice changes to the trans fluid either color, clarity or odor. This has generally been my practice, even in my personal automobiles, and I have never lost a trans due to lack of maintenance. Also, trans problems won't fix themselves with a fluid change. If you see changes to fluid color or odor, it means your trans is wearing excessively and you will soon be in rebuild/replace territory. Some mechanics that I know flat out refuse to do a trans flush on a higher mile trans because they insist that the odds of losing a transmission after a flush go way up.

Take the advice for the value paid, but with these Ford transmissions, once they hit 100K, they get a full service and that is the last time they ever get opened until it gets replaced. And for the record, I have run these things for millions of miles and had a failure of exactly one Ford transmission and it had nothing to do with maintenance. It was a 6,000 mile transmission that suffered a catastrophic failure. No amount of maintenance could have prevented that.





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Thanks to both of you. That gives me a lot to think about. Checking the dipstick the tranny fluid is still clear pink and doesn't smell burnt. When I added the Lucas I dropped about 24oz of fluid to make room for the 24oz bottle of Lucas since the fluid level was full. Of course the fluid I dropped from the pan seemed dark but still didn't smell burnt, etc. Other than the diagnosed "normal" torqshift clunking the tranny shifted very nicely. I'll sleep on it for about 5 months lol.

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Mocoondo wrote:

path1 wrote:


I agree with Mocoondo on 99.999 things he says. He is one of the best resources on here. But if me I would change every fluid you have. You have no idea if someone took the rear diff for a swim or if some renter added whatever to trans.


Opinion -- Take it for whatever it's worth -- The odds of an average renter servicing a transmission with anything at all is as close to nil as you can get. They just don't go anywhere near it. After the first trans service, it becomes real iffy whether there is any added benefit servicing it again. Most trans guys that I know insist that if you have managed to take a trans over 100K miles, to just leave it alone beyond that and only take action if you notice changes to the trans fluid either color, clarity or odor. This has generally been my practice, even in my personal automobiles, and I have never lost a trans due to lack of maintenance. Also, trans problems won't fix themselves with a fluid change. If you see changes to fluid color or odor, it means your trans is wearing excessively and you will soon be in rebuild/replace territory. Some mechanics that I know flat out refuse to do a trans flush on a higher mile trans because they insist that the odds of losing a transmission after a flush go way up.

Take the advice for the value paid, but with these Ford transmissions, once they hit 100K, they get a full service and that is the last time they ever get opened until it gets replaced. And for the record, I have run these things for millions of miles and had a failure of exactly one Ford transmission and it had nothing to do with maintenance. It was a 6,000 mile transmission that suffered a catastrophic failure. No amount of maintenance could have prevented that.


My opinion...OK, Agree to disagree on this one. I'm not paying shop rates to do my maintenance, so the question of "will we get our money back" doesn't come into play. But I get idea.

Copied here is 150,000 miles service Normal Schedule, see below for Special Operating Conditions.

Cars, Minivans, Light Trucks, Sport Utilities, Vans, 4x4, Natural Gas, Propane, and Diesel Vehicles

Change engine oil and replace oil filter
Inspect brake pads/shoes/rotors/drums, brake lines & hoses, and parking brake system
Inspect wheel ends for endplay and noise
Inspect engine cooling system and hoses
Change Premium Gold coolant (see exceptions page 34 and record page 48)
Inspect exhaust system and heat shields
Inspect steering linkage, suspension and, if equipped, driveshaft and ball joints
Inspect tires for wear and rotate
Replace engine air filter (except PZEV Focus see below)
Check air filter minder, replace filter as required (Focus PZEV engine)
Replace fuel filter*
Replace cabin air filter, if equipped
Change automatic transmission/transaxle fluid and filter
Change rear axle lubricant on all rear wheel drive (RWD) vehicles (see page 35-36)
Replace accessory drive belt(s) (if not replaced within last 100,000 miles)
Replace climate-controlled seat filters (Navigator, Aviator, and LS if equipped)

Additional services for: Light Trucks, Sport Utilities, and Vans
Inspect and lubricate 4X2 ball joints (except F-450/F-550)
Replace 4X2 wheel bearings and grease seals, lubricate and adjust bearings

Inspect and lubricate steering linkage (E and F series, Excursion)

*If vehicle is registered in California, the California Air Resources Board has determined that the failure to perform this maintenance item will not nullify the emission warranty or limit recall liability prior to the completion of the vehicle’s useful life. We, however, urge that all recommended maintenance services be performed at the indicated intervals and the maintenance be recorded.

Special Operating Conditions

Towing a trailer or using a camper or car-top carrier, Extensive idling and/or low-speed driving for long distances as in heavy commercial use such as delivery, taxi, patrol car or livery, Operating in dusty conditions such as unpaved or dusty roads

Every 3,000 miles or 3 months Change engine oil and replace oil filter
Every 30,000 miles Change automatic transmission fluid
Lubricate 4X4 front hub needle bearings (F Super Duty)
Every 60,000 miles Change transfer case fluid
Change rear axle fluid if equipped with XY-75W90-FEHP
As required Change manual transmission fluid
As required Inspect and lubricate U-joints

* This post was edited 10/22/17 11:52pm by path1 *

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Well Hello to all of my Fellow "Former Rental" Motorhome owners and Happy New Year!!! It's been almost 1 year since I purchased my Thor Four Winds Majestic 28A from Cruise America. Since then I have takin it on many wonderful camping trips. No issues so far. Right now I am impatiently waiting for Spring so that I could De-Winterize and prep this baby to hit the open road again!!! Any who, since it's been kinda quiet in this forum for awhile, I thought I'd share some of the modifications I did with my unit over the summer of 2017.

You know that space that's under the sofa bed? Well I decided to make great "shoe storage" space out of it since I didn't like the shoes crowding the RV entrance:

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Also, decided to install an inverter under the dinette area for use only while driving to power up a Laptop or Cell phone:
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Even added a USB charge port on the opposite side of Dinette:
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Finally, I added some Stainless Steel cup holders right to the Dinette table (we can still fold the table to make the bed, cup holders don't get in the way):
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Gotta admit this RV turned out to be a nice little project to keep me busy but I love that I can make it my own!!! Happy Camping you all and let me know what you think of these little upgrades!!!

* This post was edited 01/02/18 02:24pm by STEVE-OTR *


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STEVE-OTR wrote:

Well Hello to all of my Fellow "Former Rental" Motorhome owners and Happy New Year!!! It's been almost 1 year since I purchased my Thor Four Winds Majestic 28A from Cruise America. Since then I have takin it on many wonderful camping trips. No issues so far. Right now I am impatiently waiting for Spring so that I could De-Winterize and prep this baby to hit the open road again!!! Any who, since it's been kinda quiet in this forum for awhile, I thought I'd share some of the modifications I did with my unit over the summer of 2017.


Clever use of the space under the jacknife sofa. That has always been a waste of very usable real estate. I always envisioned a hatch door of some sort to store cases of water, etc. No idea why they never did that.

The USB charging ports are now standard on the new units. There are two USB outlets in each standard 120V receptacle.

Many years ago, the dinette had factory installed cupholders, but they were deleted a decade or more ago.

Nice job with the mods!

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I think I will steal your sofa mod for ours!!

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Mocoondo wrote:

path1 wrote:


I agree with Mocoondo on 99.999 things he says. He is one of the best resources on here. But if me I would change every fluid you have. You have no idea if someone took the rear diff for a swim or if some renter added whatever to trans.


Opinion -- Take it for whatever it's worth -- The odds of an average renter servicing a transmission with anything at all is as close to nil as you can get. They just don't go anywhere near it. After the first trans service, it becomes real iffy whether there is any added benefit servicing it again. Most trans guys that I know insist that if you have managed to take a trans over 100K miles, to just leave it alone beyond that and only take action if you notice changes to the trans fluid either color, clarity or odor. This has generally been my practice, even in my personal automobiles, and I have never lost a trans due to lack of maintenance. Also, trans problems won't fix themselves with a fluid change. If you see changes to fluid color or odor, it means your trans is wearing excessively and you will soon be in rebuild/replace territory. Some mechanics that I know flat out refuse to do a trans flush on a higher mile trans because they insist that the odds of losing a transmission after a flush go way up.

Take the advice for the value paid, but with these Ford transmissions, once they hit 100K, they get a full service and that is the last time they ever get opened until it gets replaced. And for the record, I have run these things for millions of miles and had a failure of exactly one Ford transmission and it had nothing to do with maintenance. It was a 6,000 mile transmission that suffered a catastrophic failure. No amount of maintenance could have prevented that.


Not to start an argument, you have your opinion and rightfully so. But, I disagree with the leaving it alone if it's never been serviced mindset, it's IMO an old wives tale. However, you are 100% correct that once an issue arises, no amount of flush is going to fix it. I started my "career" as a transmission rebuilder (still do many on the side) and was the Operations manager at a large Ford dealer for years. While yes, many tech's will not service a high mileage trans for the reasons you listed, I think it's just trickled down that way for many years. The problem is most of these stories are because the trans was acting up before the service. You simply do not cause issues by installing a new filter and fresh fluid. My opinion.

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I can state that if was paying someone to drive unit to dealer, than pay the dealer and then pay to drive it back... I would have re-think the entire process.

For me, in my side yard when I change any fluid, the worst part is taking the old fluid down to part store.

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Greetings all and Happy New Year!

I own a 2012 CD 23A. What should the PSI be in the tires? A little sticker says no more than 60 in the front and no info about the back at all. Inquiring minds and all that.

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Weigh the rig loaded for a trip then go in on the tire chart for your brand tires and go from there.


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