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I'm Rick James wrote:IdaD wrote:Ron3rd wrote:FishOnOne wrote:45Ricochet wrote:FishOnOne wrote:I recall a while back "I'm Rick James" reported he could not notice any performance difference between the 68 and the Aisin tranny. It's interesting that the defenders of the 68 opted for the Aisin and I think we all know why!
Good luck...
You know it's kind of funny this Ford lover, Ram hater would jump into yet another Ram thread. I seem to remember THIS Ford thread and no Ram guys jumped in with cheap remarks. Usual hear say from Troy I might add.
Just calling a spade... a spade! The above statement I made is undeniable facts but spin it however you like rick.
Perhaps Rick James can chime in as well since he's one of the few straight shooters here that I've read.
I think the reason a lot of folks go with the 68 is it's cheaper and if you like the truck and the overall package, the 68 is fine. I'm gonna be in the market for a new CTD (probably Tradsman trim) and all the local ones I've seen have the 68 so that's what I'll go with. Maybe if I was fulltiming with a 5er I would consider the Aisin.
I'm the poster child for this. I could have eeked by with a heavy half ton but a 3/4 ton is just a lot better solution for me, and it really doesn't cost much more than the heavy half once you add HD Payload and Max Tow. I paid $39k and literally couldn't find an F150 on any lot for less than that equipped with those two packages. So, why not opt for the heavier duty truck with all the heavy duty components? I really didn't see any downsides to stepping up a level.
I've been real pleased with the 68 so far and in my case I didn't think it was worth the extra money for the Aisin. This truck is my daily driver and weekend tow vehicle and I figured the 68 would be fine for that workload.
Well, the good news for you is that the Aisin wasn't an option for your configuration.
I'm sure the 68RE is an adequate transmission, as is the Aisin. There are those that preach the "MDT" moniker for the Aisin but that usually devolves into semantics. Bottom line is that they are all (regardless of brand) fairly decent transmissions that none of us will be able to quantify their strengths or weaknesses.
I debated 3500 and it is an option there, so I did give it some thought. Happy with where I ended up though.
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IdaD wrote:I'm Rick James wrote:IdaD wrote:Ron3rd wrote:FishOnOne wrote:45Ricochet wrote:FishOnOne wrote:I recall a while back "I'm Rick James" reported he could not notice any performance difference between the 68 and the Aisin tranny. It's interesting that the defenders of the 68 opted for the Aisin and I think we all know why!
Good luck...
You know it's kind of funny this Ford lover, Ram hater would jump into yet another Ram thread. I seem to remember THIS Ford thread and no Ram guys jumped in with cheap remarks. Usual hear say from Troy I might add.
Just calling a spade... a spade! The above statement I made is undeniable facts but spin it however you like rick.
Perhaps Rick James can chime in as well since he's one of the few straight shooters here that I've read.
I think the reason a lot of folks go with the 68 is it's cheaper and if you like the truck and the overall package, the 68 is fine. I'm gonna be in the market for a new CTD (probably Tradsman trim) and all the local ones I've seen have the 68 so that's what I'll go with. Maybe if I was fulltiming with a 5er I would consider the Aisin.
I'm the poster child for this. I could have eeked by with a heavy half ton but a 3/4 ton is just a lot better solution for me, and it really doesn't cost much more than the heavy half once you add HD Payload and Max Tow. I paid $39k and literally couldn't find an F150 on any lot for less than that equipped with those two packages. So, why not opt for the heavier duty truck with all the heavy duty components? I really didn't see any downsides to stepping up a level.
I've been real pleased with the 68 so far and in my case I didn't think it was worth the extra money for the Aisin. This truck is my daily driver and weekend tow vehicle and I figured the 68 would be fine for that workload.
Well, the good news for you is that the Aisin wasn't an option for your configuration.
I'm sure the 68RE is an adequate transmission, as is the Aisin. There are those that preach the "MDT" moniker for the Aisin but that usually devolves into semantics. Bottom line is that they are all (regardless of brand) fairly decent transmissions that none of us will be able to quantify their strengths or weaknesses.
I debated 3500 and it is an option there, so I did give it some thought. Happy with where I ended up though.
Totally happy with my 2014 3500 with the 68. I might of considered the Aisin if I was full timing , but for a few thousand miles per year towing just over 13K the 68 is doing just fine with the 3:42 gears.
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I'm Rick James wrote:
I'm sure the 68RE is an adequate transmission, as is the Aisin. There are those that preach the "MDT" moniker for the Aisin but that usually devolves into semantics. Bottom line is that they are all (regardless of brand) fairly decent transmissions that none of us will be able to quantify their strengths or weaknesses.
So the Aisin is not a MDT trans? Please elaborate.
I put my money where my mouth is and spent the extra for the Aisin, I'm an SRW but been right up to 25k GCWR and at that weight I like to know I have a trans with 140 lbs for metal in it than the 68RFE. For the DRW guys towing at near 40k, it's cheap insurance and a no brainer.
Now, people who tune their trucks is a different matter....they should've bought a Mustang
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Right now it's a coin toss between two trucks I have located. The salesmen from two different dealerships are gonna have to start competing when I call them Monday.
The ram dealer located a beautiful white Laramie Limited CC LB DRW with Aisin, 3.73's and hitch prep.
The Ford dealer has a black platinum CC LB DRW with 3.73's and hitch prep.
Game time!
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catfishmontana wrote:Right now it's a coin toss between two trucks I have located. The salesmen from two different dealerships are gonna have to start competing when I call them Monday.
The ram dealer located a beautiful white Laramie Limited CC LB DRW with Aisin, 3.73's and hitch prep.
The Ford dealer has a black platinum CC LB DRW with 3.73's and hitch prep.
Game time!
Just the hitch prep alone should clinch the deal! 25K and 6,500# pin. No comparison on the Ford.
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transferred wrote:I'm Rick James wrote:
I'm sure the 68RE is an adequate transmission, as is the Aisin. There are those that preach the "MDT" moniker for the Aisin but that usually devolves into semantics. Bottom line is that they are all (regardless of brand) fairly decent transmissions that none of us will be able to quantify their strengths or weaknesses.
So the Aisin is not a MDT trans? Please elaborate.
I put my money where my mouth is and spent the extra for the Aisin, I'm an SRW but been right up to 25k GCWR and at that weight I like to know I have a trans with 140 lbs for metal in it than the 68RFE. For the DRW guys towing at near 40k, it's cheap insurance and a no brainer.
Now, people who tune their trucks is a different matter....they should've bought a Mustang
Feel free to put whatever acronym or label on your transmission you like. If the Aisin is a MDT transmission, cite what MDT utilizes the AS69RC.
I opted for the Aisin simply because it allowed for greater hp/ torque and I did not like the 68RFE in my '12 Ram.
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I'm Rick James wrote:transferred wrote:I'm Rick James wrote:
I'm sure the 68RE is an adequate transmission, as is the Aisin. There are those that preach the "MDT" moniker for the Aisin but that usually devolves into semantics. Bottom line is that they are all (regardless of brand) fairly decent transmissions that none of us will be able to quantify their strengths or weaknesses.
So the Aisin is not a MDT trans? Please elaborate.
I put my money where my mouth is and spent the extra for the Aisin, I'm an SRW but been right up to 25k GCWR and at that weight I like to know I have a trans with 140 lbs for metal in it than the 68RFE. For the DRW guys towing at near 40k, it's cheap insurance and a no brainer.
Now, people who tune their trucks is a different matter....they should've bought a Mustang
Feel free to put whatever acronym or label on your transmission you like. If the Aisin is a MDT transmission, cite what MDT utilizes the AS69RC.
I opted for the Aisin simply because it allowed for greater hp/ torque and I did not like the 68RFE in my '12 Ram.
One MDT is the 45 and 55 series Rams. BUT, not sure of any others.
As you Rick notes, ALL the current transmissions in the pickup lineup are way the heck better than 30 years ago, even 10-15 years ago. Take your pick, do not look back.
With this in mind tho, I personally would take the aisin, only because as I stated earlier, the first gear is lower, so you have more take off gearing etc for low speed maneuvering. The difference in OD and DOD is not enough to worry about. But stalling out on a steep grade can be an issue loaded heavy enough.
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blt2ski wrote:I'm Rick James wrote:transferred wrote:I'm Rick James wrote:
I'm sure the 68RE is an adequate transmission, as is the Aisin. There are those that preach the "MDT" moniker for the Aisin but that usually devolves into semantics. Bottom line is that they are all (regardless of brand) fairly decent transmissions that none of us will be able to quantify their strengths or weaknesses.
So the Aisin is not a MDT trans? Please elaborate.
I put my money where my mouth is and spent the extra for the Aisin, I'm an SRW but been right up to 25k GCWR and at that weight I like to know I have a trans with 140 lbs for metal in it than the 68RFE. For the DRW guys towing at near 40k, it's cheap insurance and a no brainer.
Now, people who tune their trucks is a different matter....they should've bought a Mustang
Feel free to put whatever acronym or label on your transmission you like. If the Aisin is a MDT transmission, cite what MDT utilizes the AS69RC.
I opted for the Aisin simply because it allowed for greater hp/ torque and I did not like the 68RFE in my '12 Ram.
One MDT is the 45 and 55 series Rams. BUT, not sure of any others.
As you Rick notes, ALL the current transmissions in the pickup lineup are way the heck better than 30 years ago, even 10-15 years ago. Take your pick, do not look back.
With this in mind tho, I personally would take the aisin, only because as I stated earlier, the first gear is lower, so you have more take off gearing etc for low speed maneuvering. The difference in OD and DOD is not enough to worry about. But stalling out on a steep grade can be an issue loaded heavy enough.
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I have not towed the new MS but I did tow the 07 MS twice with the 15 RAM with Aisin. It really gets 30K rolling easily compared to my 11RAM with 68RFE. To be fair the 11 had 3:42's. Still I know there is a big difference with the Aisin.
One thing that really impressed my was I took Conway Hill about a 5% grade on I-5 NW WA on cruise at 60 about 1/2 way up the trans downshifted to 5th without dropping 2-3 mph before downshifting like the 68RFE would. I was surprised it downshifted so seamlessly.
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The AS69RC and 6R140 are both used in Class 4 and 5 trucks. The 6R140 is also used in Class 6 and 7 trucks.
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Cummins12V98 wrote:blt2ski wrote:I'm Rick James wrote:transferred wrote:I'm Rick James wrote:
I'm sure the 68RE is an adequate transmission, as is the Aisin. There are those that preach the "MDT" moniker for the Aisin but that usually devolves into semantics. Bottom line is that they are all (regardless of brand) fairly decent transmissions that none of us will be able to quantify their strengths or weaknesses.
So the Aisin is not a MDT trans? Please elaborate.
I put my money where my mouth is and spent the extra for the Aisin, I'm an SRW but been right up to 25k GCWR and at that weight I like to know I have a trans with 140 lbs for metal in it than the 68RFE. For the DRW guys towing at near 40k, it's cheap insurance and a no brainer.
Now, people who tune their trucks is a different matter....they should've bought a Mustang
Feel free to put whatever acronym or label on your transmission you like. If the Aisin is a MDT transmission, cite what MDT utilizes the AS69RC.
I opted for the Aisin simply because it allowed for greater hp/ torque and I did not like the 68RFE in my '12 Ram.
One MDT is the 45 and 55 series Rams. BUT, not sure of any others.
As you Rick notes, ALL the current transmissions in the pickup lineup are way the heck better than 30 years ago, even 10-15 years ago. Take your pick, do not look back.
With this in mind tho, I personally would take the aisin, only because as I stated earlier, the first gear is lower, so you have more take off gearing etc for low speed maneuvering. The difference in OD and DOD is not enough to worry about. But stalling out on a steep grade can be an issue loaded heavy enough.
marty
I have not towed the new MS but I did tow the 07 MS twice with the 15 RAM with Aisin. It really gets 30K rolling easily compared to my 11RAM with 68RFE. To be fair the 11 had 3:42's. Still I know there is a big difference with the Aisin.
One thing that really impressed my was I took Conway Hill about a 5% grade on I-5 NW WA on cruise at 60 about 1/2 way up the trans downshifted to 5th without dropping 2-3 mph before downshifting like the 68RFE would. I was surprised it downshifted so seamlessly.
What your truck does is how I tow with our truck but I hit the button for a downshift because the Allison and duramax seems to want to keep pulling in high gear and of course lose some speed.
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