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I want a second RV, either a Nash 17k or a 22H

deltabravo
Nomad
Nomad
I'm having a heck of a time trying to decide which one.

I like the couch/sofa in the 22H. I like the full pass through under-bed storage in the 17k.

Both are gen-ready.

Any input?
2009 Silverado 3500HD Dually, D/A, CCLB 4x4 (bought new 8/30/09)
2018 Arctic Fox 992 with an Onan 2500i "quiet" model generator
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BizmarksMom
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I have the 22h and am in love with it. I camp with 3 dogs. So, even though it's just me, the extra space inside is nice. For me, the sofa is a more comfortable place to hang out in lousy weather than the dinette is.

I do wish that front storage was pass-thru, though!
2019 F350 towing a Nash 22H

deltabravo
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Nomad
Here's my upgrades so far:

Nash 17K upgrade playlist
2009 Silverado 3500HD Dually, D/A, CCLB 4x4 (bought new 8/30/09)
2018 Arctic Fox 992 with an Onan 2500i "quiet" model generator

deltabravo
Nomad
Nomad
May 2018 rolls around, and the 17k was still on CL. It was a 2015 model (with those !%(^&*@ mini blinds I said I hated back in 2015) I emailed the seller. It took him almost a week to reply. He still had it. I was heading to Chelan for a camping trip soon, so before I departed I called and talked to him and made arrangements to see it.

He was 90 years old. He only used it a few times. He was selling it at the urging of his adult children who didn't like the idea of him traveling due to his age. (I can totally relate to this and am starting to have the same concern for my parents due their age, failing eyesight, inability to climb steps, etc.)

It was in very good condition other than a few scuff marks from tree branches on the exterior, tree debris all over the roof and jammed in the gutters / downspouts, and cobwebs. It still smelled new inside. He said it had only been used twice, but the paint / powdercoat worn off to bare metal on the heat vents in the floor made me skeptical of the "2 usage" claim. Everything else supported his "only used twice" claim.

It was too good of a deal to pass up, so I bought it. The benefit: lower cost, allowing me to pay cash and not have a LOAN hanging over my head.

Part of my issue with buying stuff recently is that at some later date I decide there's a more useful purpose for the money that I'm paying out for a loan, so I sell something, then buy something else which seems to be a more important item to own. I forgot to mention that when I sold the 17BH, I bought a Polaris RZR. Guess what... sold it 6 months later. I had fun with it, but I have too many motorized toys to maintain.

The Nash is something I hope to keep for a while, since it's fully paid for.

I like the shorter length compared to some of the other RVs I looked at. Slideouts are nice, but in my idea of lighter weight, a non slide model kept looking more appealing.
2009 Silverado 3500HD Dually, D/A, CCLB 4x4 (bought new 8/30/09)
2018 Arctic Fox 992 with an Onan 2500i "quiet" model generator

deltabravo
Nomad
Nomad
The 20RD is slightly longer than a Nash 17k. The 20RD has a rear entry door and front walk around bed. The rear entry made it feel roomier than the 17k.
The 17k has a full 60x80 queen bed, but it's an east-west bed. The entry door is up front between the kitchen and bed area.

The 17k, like most (maybe all) Nash models as they can accommodate a generator. They are either gen ready, or can be ordered with a generator. In 2015, the Nash 17k I tried to buy was either gen ready, or had a generator (I can't remember which).

Since I was still having cold feet about another loan, I started scanning RVTrader and Craigslist. Very few used ORV units came up. Once in a while I stumbled across a Nash 17k, and even found an Nash 18L local to me, but it was way over priced.

One of the 17K's I saw was in Chelan, WA but I still had my sights set on a Blackrock or Creekside at that point.
2009 Silverado 3500HD Dually, D/A, CCLB 4x4 (bought new 8/30/09)
2018 Arctic Fox 992 with an Onan 2500i "quiet" model generator

deltabravo
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By Later April I decided on a 21RBS at Thompson RV and did the loan stuff at a local credit union I had worked with before.
They approved me.... then changed their mind a few days later. Well, that was annoying, so I gave up and turned off SOS (shiney object syndrome) and tried to stop thinking about RVs.

Not thinking about them lasted about a week, then I started daydreaming about them again.
I saw someone that had swapped out the small table in a Blackrock 20RD for a table from a different model Blackrock (by ordering the table through their dealer) and decided I could do the 20RD with the upgraded table option.

...but in the back of my mind I was still getting cold feet from the thought of having loan payments.
2009 Silverado 3500HD Dually, D/A, CCLB 4x4 (bought new 8/30/09)
2018 Arctic Fox 992 with an Onan 2500i "quiet" model generator

deltabravo
Nomad
Nomad
...I still had a hankering for another towable RV but I was trying not to spend money!

There are so many different trips I'd like to do that would be more suitable to me if done in a truck/trailer instead of the rig in my signature.

A friend put the bug in me about another towable when he started getting hit with "SOS" (shiney object syndrome) in February of this year.

That gave me a serious case of SOS. We both were interested in the Blackrock 20RD, until he showed me the Creekside 21RBS.

I ended up being the research guy since I work not too far from the local Northwood / ORV dealer. I tromped around in the snow looking at RVs. Then the snow melted, then it snowed again, and melted, and froze in to nasty ice at the dealer.
I got so fed up with the snow, I made a road trip 4 hours away, and visited Thompson RV (where I bought my 22H) in late February during their open house. It was a last minute idea to go there, and a relief from fresh snow fall in Spokane, and warm weather down south.

All the models I was interested in were on display at Thompson, and I didn't have to freeze and slip on ice to look at them!

The 18RBS looked tempting. It was a shortened version of the 21RBS.
The price of the 20RD kept prying at me though... but the small table at the U-shaped dinette was a bit small for spreading out my junk and using it as a desk.

I had looked at the Blackrock 18DB a lot too, it was the same layout as the discontinued Nash 18L. Eventually I realized the corner bed on the 18L would be annoying.
2009 Silverado 3500HD Dually, D/A, CCLB 4x4 (bought new 8/30/09)
2018 Arctic Fox 992 with an Onan 2500i "quiet" model generator

deltabravo
Nomad
Nomad
In August 2016 another tow vehicle fell in to my lap when my neighbor's house buyer decided he wasn't going to buy the plow truck along with the house, so I bought the truck. For cheap.
Another truck meant "I need another RV to go with said truck" LOL!!!

I decided to get something small and light, and short, so I could go off the beaten path. I looked at all of the small lightweight trailers all over the area. I settled on a Viking 17BH since feature wise, it offered the most.

I took a few trips with it. It wasn't very well insulated and didn't have thermal pane windows. Thins wall meant it didn't block out outside noise very well. It was a summertime only RV since the tanks were not enclosed in the underbelly. Aside from those items, I liked it.

In mid 2017 I decided the money I was using to make payments on it would be put to better use on a daily driver vehicle more suitable than the 1991 Chevy K2500 gas hog that I bought from my neighbor (described above). The truck cost me a small fortune on several repairs, and the gas bill was ruining my freedom due to the cost of driving it. I sold the 17BH in August and the truck was sent packing in November just prior to snow plow season. It had a plow on it, and I made a small fortune selling it, recouping a good portion of the repairs I put in to it.

Yep, I eventually buy a new daily driver, a 2013 Subaru Crosstrek. I picked it up in September 2017. I still have it.
2009 Silverado 3500HD Dually, D/A, CCLB 4x4 (bought new 8/30/09)
2018 Arctic Fox 992 with an Onan 2500i "quiet" model generator

deltabravo
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Nomad
I just stubmled across this thread from 3 years ago.

WOW, how life has changed since August 2015:

deltabravo wrote:
<9/16/15> I had some time to burn up between a job interview


I ended up getting that job.

The day before the job interview I hauled home a 22H from Thompson RV in Pendleton, OR.

A few months later I kicked myself for buying, because going back to work full time really was going to limit my opportunities to use the 22H.


deltabravo wrote:
I guess I should go to bed.... I need to get up at OH DARK THIRTY tomorrow for another RV haul. Maybe I will stop by the dealer in Pendleton, Oregon.


The RV haul I mentioned above was my last run from Pendleton to Spokane/Post Falls due to getting a real job once again. I started the job on 10/5/15.

The weekend prior to starting the job, I made a whirlwind trip to Yellowstone with the Nash 22H. That was the one and only trip.

Considering how late in the season it was, the park was surprisingly busy. The park had started winterizing and closing up part of the visitor facilities. West Yellowstone KOA closed up the morning I left. They said the mild weather had kept the people coming, and they were way behind with their winterization projects.

In November 2015, I put the 22H up for sale. I eventually sold it in early July of 2016. One thing I remember thinking during the time I owned it, is that it was more RV than a single person needed. SOFA was why I bought it instead of the 17K.... but in reality, if the weather is good, I'm outside. If it's bad, I'm doing stuff on my laptop, at the dinette.
2009 Silverado 3500HD Dually, D/A, CCLB 4x4 (bought new 8/30/09)
2018 Arctic Fox 992 with an Onan 2500i "quiet" model generator

deltabravo
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Nomad
donn0128 wrote:
Had not looked for a while. The 22H is unchanged. Had a 19B and honestly it was really tight. If I had been smarter back then I would have gotten the 22H for the extra space.


I looked at a used 19b. Nice size, but no permanent bed unless you left the sofa folded down to a bed all the time.

The one I looked at had been used a lot, and put away wet. It smelled kind of musty inside.
2009 Silverado 3500HD Dually, D/A, CCLB 4x4 (bought new 8/30/09)
2018 Arctic Fox 992 with an Onan 2500i "quiet" model generator

deltabravo
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Nomad
I guess I should go to bed.... I need to get up at OH DARK THIRTY tomorrow for another RV haul. Maybe I will stop by the dealer in Pendleton, Oregon.
2009 Silverado 3500HD Dually, D/A, CCLB 4x4 (bought new 8/30/09)
2018 Arctic Fox 992 with an Onan 2500i "quiet" model generator

deltabravo
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Nomad
Dirtpig wrote:
I agree 100% on shades being way better! Our Nash came with the POS mini blinds but we were able to order the shades from northwood for $250CAD which is about 160USd I would have made dealer pay for this but I had already got them down to there breaking point. Just to keep your options open on a 2015. Also at least up here in Canada the dealer was able to order the trailer with the shades as an option as a 2nd trailer on the lot (also a 2015) had them but was missing fanastic fan and other things. Mfg on exact same date as the 25C we bought.


The very first trip in my Desert Fox, Memorial Day weekend 2003, a friend came with me and slept on the rollover bench seat/sofa thing. He must have gotten cold in the morning, because he tossed and turned and kept hitting the mini blinds with his arms and the blanket.

The rattling of those mini blinds is what caused me to hate them ever since!

That story about secretary made me laugh. None of that BS up here maybe because dealers are smaller. Sometimes u can look around 10-15min before a salesman bugs u.


Maybe next time I will go through the door, giggle at her, then RUN to the exit door to the outside yard!
2009 Silverado 3500HD Dually, D/A, CCLB 4x4 (bought new 8/30/09)
2018 Arctic Fox 992 with an Onan 2500i "quiet" model generator

Dirtpig
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deltabravo wrote:
Since pulling the plug on the deal above, I've researched the 17k and 22H a lot more and decided the 2016 model year is the one I'd get. 2015s that I've seen at dealers have mini blinds. 2016s have pleated shades like my truck camper (Arctic Fox 811).

I prefer the shades. My Desert Fox had mini blinds and I hated them.


I agree 100% on shades being way better! Our Nash came with the POS mini blinds but we were able to order the shades from northwood for $250CAD which is about 160USd I would have made dealer pay for this but I had already got them down to there breaking point. Just to keep your options open on a 2015. Also at least up here in Canada the dealer was able to order the trailer with the shades as an option as a 2nd trailer on the lot (also a 2015) had them but was missing fanastic fan and other things. Mfg on exact same date as the 25C we bought.

That story about secretary made me laugh. None of that BS up here maybe because dealers are smaller. Sometimes u can look around 10-15min before a salesman bugs u.
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deltabravo
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I had some time to burn up between a job interview and going to the local AutoNation compound to raise *(^@# about how they damaged my truck and keep lying about it, so I stopped at the local AF / Nash dealer.

I've encountered this before, where the secretary / receptionist pertnear won't let me past her desk until I state my business, so I today I looked straight ahead and walked at a brisk pace as I walked in the door, never even glancing towards her. I should have kept going, but about 30' in the door, I turned to look at an AF truck camper, then bent down to tie my shoe. I really need shorter laces for them. As soon as I stood up, there she was right on my heels asking if I needed help!

This mentality of the receptionist being the "gate keeper" has become a huge turn off to visiting nearly all of the Spokane area RV dealers. All the ones I've been to, you can't get through the front door without being accosted by the receptionist, and forget about trying to walk through the showroom to the outside RVs unescorted! Sales people ALWAYS follow me everywhere I go.

Next time I go through the door, I will make a BEE-LINE straight towards the restroom which is a straight shot inside the front door at the local AF / Nash dealer.
2009 Silverado 3500HD Dually, D/A, CCLB 4x4 (bought new 8/30/09)
2018 Arctic Fox 992 with an Onan 2500i "quiet" model generator

deltabravo
Nomad
Nomad
I should clarify, since the above info might be confusing -
I've made two deals on a 17k. The first one is described two posts above. That's the one where the credit union came back and wanted higher down payment to lower the loan amount, all as a result of my self employment and lower income, which skewed my debt to income ratio from their perspective... same one as where the salesman didn't want to talk price until I was ready to buy.

The second deal I penciled, I cancelled it due to getting cold feet and questioning my need for a second RV, but then a few days later I concluded the 22H made more sense.

Here's another interesting tidbit I came across - none of the financial institutions have ever asked for proof of income, which seems like a more important aspect for self employment situations, since those sources of income can be variable from month to month.
2009 Silverado 3500HD Dually, D/A, CCLB 4x4 (bought new 8/30/09)
2018 Arctic Fox 992 with an Onan 2500i "quiet" model generator