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transamz9

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I'd like to see how the HDPP would stack up against a regular cab 2wd 6.2 or 6.4 250/2500 as far as quickness, towing and fuel efficiency.


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transamz9 wrote:

I'd like to see how the HDPP would stack up against a regular cab 2wd 6.2 or 6.4 250/2500 as far as quickness, towing and fuel efficiency.


The Ecoboost will outperform both 6.2/6.4 plain and simple


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FishOnOne wrote:

transamz9 wrote:

I'd like to see how the HDPP would stack up against a regular cab 2wd 6.2 or 6.4 250/2500 as far as quickness, towing and fuel efficiency.


The Ecoboost will outperform both 6.2/6.4 plain and simple


Quickness, Towing power, unloaded fuel eff., yes. Towing Fuel eff. would be a toss up.

Payload, is would come up significantly short.

Throw the Diesels for those 250/2500's into the mix (And lets face it, price point that's where the HDPP comes in), and the 150 will come up short in most. Quickness, (60 -80 to pull out an make a pass) I don't think those who praise the Eco, have experienced unleashing 900+ torques. Unloaded fuel eff., is probably pretty close in normal driving, with the periodic regens of the filter pulling the diesels numbers down to give an advantage to the Eco, but loaded, the Eco is not even going to come close. As for payload, the 250 with the diesel, and the 150 HDPP are neck and neck (2300-2400).

One common item I keep seeing brought up is the unloaded ride quality. Yes, its subjective, but two truck with nearly equal payloads, are going to react very similar over bumps in the road.

As for the hitch capability, it was said the HDPP is good for a tongue weight of 1300 (I assume this is its WD rating) the 250 with the heavy tow package is good for 2100 (Both carrying and WD).

* This post was edited 07/11/18 06:55am by harmanrk *


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harmanrk wrote:

FishOnOne wrote:

transamz9 wrote:

I'd like to see how the HDPP would stack up against a regular cab 2wd 6.2 or 6.4 250/2500 as far as quickness, towing and fuel efficiency.


The Ecoboost will outperform both 6.2/6.4 plain and simple


Quickness, Towing power, unloaded fuel eff., yes. Towing Fuel eff. would be a toss up.

Payload, is would come up significantly short.

Throw the Diesels for those 250/2500's into the mix (And lets face it, price point that's where the HDPP comes in), and the 150 will come up short in most. Quickness, (60 -80 to pull out an make a pass) I don't think those who praise the Eco, have experienced unleashing 900+ torques. Unloaded fuel eff., is probably pretty close in normal driving, with the periodic regens of the filter pulling the diesels numbers down to give an advantage to the Eco, but loaded, the Eco is not even going to come close. As for payload, the 250 with the diesel, and the 150 HDPP are neck and neck (2300-2400).

One common item I keep seeing brought up is the unloaded ride quality. Yes, its subjective, but two truck with nearly equal payloads, are going to react very similar over bumps in the road.


The payload ratings are close on paper but if you look at axle ratings there's a pretty wide gap, and that's a lot more reflective of the diesel 250's actual payload capability. Ride quality will suffer accordingly on the 250 compared to the HDPP 150, but load carrying capability will be a lot better. I think the 250/SRW350 is a lot better value than any 150 these days in terms of what you get for the basically the same money.


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IdaD wrote:

...I think the 250/SRW350 is a lot better value than any 150 these days in terms of what you get for the basically the same money.
And I think you're wrong!
I would go for the F150 HDPP any day of the week and twice on Sunday. Now if they put the 3.5 Ecoboost and 10 spd transmission in the F250, I might change my mind. Until then, as a DD and some times Tow Vehicle, the 3.5L Ecoboost & 10 spd trans is a winning combination.

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IdaD wrote:

harmanrk wrote:

FishOnOne wrote:

transamz9 wrote:

I'd like to see how the HDPP would stack up against a regular cab 2wd 6.2 or 6.4 250/2500 as far as quickness, towing and fuel efficiency.


The Ecoboost will outperform both 6.2/6.4 plain and simple


Quickness, Towing power, unloaded fuel eff., yes. Towing Fuel eff. would be a toss up.

Payload, is would come up significantly short.

Throw the Diesels for those 250/2500's into the mix (And lets face it, price point that's where the HDPP comes in), and the 150 will come up short in most. Quickness, (60 -80 to pull out an make a pass) I don't think those who praise the Eco, have experienced unleashing 900+ torques. Unloaded fuel eff., is probably pretty close in normal driving, with the periodic regens of the filter pulling the diesels numbers down to give an advantage to the Eco, but loaded, the Eco is not even going to come close. As for payload, the 250 with the diesel, and the 150 HDPP are neck and neck (2300-2400).

One common item I keep seeing brought up is the unloaded ride quality. Yes, its subjective, but two truck with nearly equal payloads, are going to react very similar over bumps in the road.

I think the 250/SRW350 is a lot better value than any 150 these days in terms of what you get for the basically the same money.


You forgot to say, "for me".

I purchased the trailer I wanted without having the slightest clue what truck I needed to tow it.

I initially researched the Silverado, and then the Tundra, then Ford, and after doing the math, I eliminating all three, I was resigned on the 3/4 ton, and after renting the F250, I was a bit saddened that I had to get one.

It towed well, but that thing was not anything I wanted to drive when not towing, and I would have sat that thing in the yard beside the trailer.

I discovered that Ford had a heavy a duty payload package, and after researching, that was the only truck I wouldn't mind having, because it has other attributes I can deal with when not towing, and I might be able to park it in my driveway instead of the backyard when not towing.

After I let out some of the high 48 psi air the dealer had put in the tires, the truck rides pretty nice, along with the quietness, I can tolerate driving it.

It's the quickness that put this thing over the hump for me, but whenever I'm driving it, I always wish I was driving my car...my Accord V6 manual is quicker and much more agile.

A F250/350 dually diesel Limited would be just another one trick pony for me, and the value the HDPP 150 adds to both personal use and towing, a F250/350 (regardless the trim or engine) can't come close...

The value of a vehicle is determined by the individual, so you can only speak for how it applies to you.

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Maury82 wrote:

IdaD wrote:

harmanrk wrote:

FishOnOne wrote:

transamz9 wrote:

I'd like to see how the HDPP would stack up against a regular cab 2wd 6.2 or 6.4 250/2500 as far as quickness, towing and fuel efficiency.


The Ecoboost will outperform both 6.2/6.4 plain and simple


Quickness, Towing power, unloaded fuel eff., yes. Towing Fuel eff. would be a toss up.

Payload, is would come up significantly short.

Throw the Diesels for those 250/2500's into the mix (And lets face it, price point that's where the HDPP comes in), and the 150 will come up short in most. Quickness, (60 -80 to pull out an make a pass) I don't think those who praise the Eco, have experienced unleashing 900+ torques. Unloaded fuel eff., is probably pretty close in normal driving, with the periodic regens of the filter pulling the diesels numbers down to give an advantage to the Eco, but loaded, the Eco is not even going to come close. As for payload, the 250 with the diesel, and the 150 HDPP are neck and neck (2300-2400).

One common item I keep seeing brought up is the unloaded ride quality. Yes, its subjective, but two truck with nearly equal payloads, are going to react very similar over bumps in the road.

I think the 250/SRW350 is a lot better value than any 150 these days in terms of what you get for the basically the same money.


You forgot to say, "for me".

I purchased the trailer I wanted without having the slightest clue what truck I needed to tow it.

I initially researched the Silverado, and then the Tundra, then Ford, and after doing the math, I eliminating all three, I was resigned on the 3/4 ton, and after renting the F250, I was a bit saddened that I had to get one.

It towed well, but that thing was not anything I wanted to drive when not towing, and I would have sat that thing in the yard beside the trailer.

I discovered that Ford had a heavy a duty payload package, and after researching, that was the only truck I wouldn't mind having, because it has other attributes I can deal with when not towing, and I might be able to park it in my driveway instead of the backyard when not towing.

After I let out some of the high 48 psi air the dealer had put in the tires, the truck rides pretty nice, along with the quietness, I can tolerate driving it.

It's the quickness that put this thing over the hump for me, but whenever I'm driving it, I always wish I was driving my car...my Accord V6 manual is quicker and much more agile.

A F250/350 dually diesel Limited would be just another one trick pony for me, and the value the HDPP 150 adds to both personal use and towing, a F250/350 (regardless the trim or engine) can't come close...

The value of a vehicle is determined by the individual, so you can only speak for how it applies to you.


"For me" is built into the "I think" that preceded my statement. Of course these determinations are subjective choices made by individuals. That's why some are happy towing with SUVs or midsize trucks, some like half tons, some like SRW HD and some like DRW HD (and up from there). SRW HD is my sweet spot because I feel like the only material compromise I'm making versus a half ton is a bit stiffer ride, and I can live with that just fine on a daily basis. A DRW HD is more than I want to deal with in a daily driver and family vehicle, and I'm happy enough with the more limited load carrying capability of my SRW HD.

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Grit dog wrote:

^ There's an arse for every seat my grandpa used to say!


LMAO... No pun intended!

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Another update due to recent addition of 5 Star's 91 octane Perf/Tow tune. Otherwise truck and trailer the same as before. I'm up to 25k miles on it, and have towed the big hauler some 3500 miles, with another 1500 miles on my little (2000 lb) trailer.

This trip was with the toy hauler loaded to about 8k, 4 people, and 3 dogs in the bed. I'd say 15k lbs total gross.

Did 850 miles round trip Portland, Or to Eureka, CA. Perfect weather both directions - sunny, calm. cool. Truck ran awesome - smooth and powerful as usual. Very low stress towing with this rig. To be honest, I didn't feel that much of a difference with the tune power-wise. These things make so much power stock that another 50 hp and 75 lb (guessing) isn't that noticeable. I will say that their 91 Perf tune is a monster, but not designed for towing heavy. I did notice differences with their trans tune - shifting is better: quicker and firmer. And, they totally lock out 9th and 10th gear - you will not go into them at all while in Tow/Haul mode. Not sure I like this - I can use 9th on occasion.

Some numbers:

7.5 MPG round trip (it's a hilly drive - lots of 6%-7% grades up and down)
19.3 PSI max boost
4650 max RPM (downhill - never got above 3500 uphill)
232 max coolant temp
221 max trans temp

Still very happy with this truck as a tower and DD. No issues at all in 25k miles. So glad I got this and not a 3/4 ton. If you are towing 10K or less this is the truck for you.

Mike

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