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carringb

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Posted: 07/25/17 04:41pm Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

mhamershock wrote:

carringb wrote:

It's available with the longest wheelbase, so either 8' bed super cab or 6.5' bed crew cab.

More important, XL or XLT trim only.


You can order in Lariat. I did. That's the top trim.

Mike


Oh I didn't realize they added the Lariat. That's nice.


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ShinerBock wrote:

JIMNLIN wrote:

You may already be aware of the problem some owners had with the F150HD 3000+ lb advertized payloads and adding all 3000 lb in the bed of the F150HD overload the trucks 4800 RAWR.

The 4800 RAWR is good for up to maybe 2400-2500 lbs in the bed depending on the trucks actual scaled axle weights.
Probably one reason Ford dropped the old 8200 GVWR numbers back to 7850 GVWR.

One F150 owner came up with a 6800 GVWR and small 3800 RAWR with max tow package...so choose the bigger GVWR packages with the bigger 4550-4800 RAWR numbers.
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The only F150HD's that have a base payload of 3,000 lbs are the regular cab trucks and according to Ford fleet have a rear base weight of a little under 1,900 lbs. That would give you about 2,900 lbs before going over the rear GAWR. The Subercab F150HD's have a base payload of around 2,700 and the crew cabs are around 2,600 lbs. However, even on the heaviest crew cab 4x4 configuration, you can add a little over 2,700 lbs to the rear before going over the GAWR which is more than its 2,600 lb payload rating. These are of course base ratings and will change with options.

Yeah Ford has some very light rear axle weight numbers on their
Fleet Ford spec website.
However actual axle weight numbers from actual F150 owners was what I was referring to.


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mooky stinks wrote:

At the scale with my current truck and trailer I'm @ 39XX with a RAWR of 4300lbs, so 4800lbs would be a nice cushion. There's zero chance of us getting a bigger TT. Next RV will be a decent size 5er and 3/4 or 1 ton. I'm a little disappointed that it has to be an 8ft box or CC. They sure don't give the CC's away.[emoticon] Either does the General.[emoticon] Thanks everyone for the heads up on the rear axle and configurations.

You mentioned upgrading to a 5er on your next RV, have you considered trying to get the 3/4 or 1 ton now. A gasser 3/4 can be had for the same or less than a 1/2 ton. You could have the payload you need and more options on cab/bed configuration. Just depends on how big you want to go later. Just my 2 cents, good luck on you decision.

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While you can get Max Payload Package on Lariet trim if you check the box for 3.73 rear axle but as soon as you check most any other option boxes the Payload Package is not available. As I recall the same is true for the other trim levels as well and has been since the truck went aluminum. I really wanted max payload package but I also wanted some other nice features. I was torn over which way to go and finally ended up with the other features. If they ever offer it all on one truck I may have to upgrade.

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While you can get Max Payload Package on Lariet trim if you check the box for 3.73 rear axle but as soon as you check most any other option boxes the Payload Package is not available. As I recall the same is true for the other trim levels as well and has been since the truck went aluminum. I really wanted max payload package but I also wanted some other nice features. I was torn over which way to go and finally ended up with the other features. If they ever offer it all on one truck I may have to upgrade.


I went through the 2018 F150 Order Guide last week with my dealer and we ordered a 2018 CC Lariat with HD payload #627 in ruby red metallic. I chose almost every available option that's allowed with the HD Payload package. You can't order any package (501A or 502A) above the standard 500A option package and Race Red is not available, among other things. I expect a payload of around 2400 with my config. The one I ordered has a GVWR of 7850 and a max payload of 2620 before options. I've asked the dealer for the build sheet as accepted by the factory and if I get it I will post it.

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* This post was edited 07/26/17 05:08pm by mhamershock *

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HEAVY-DUTY PAYLOAD PACKAGE (627)
Usage: Increases GVWR to 7600 lbs. on XL and 7850 lbs. on XLT and Lariat lbs. for improved payload and towing
Availability:
? Opt. on XL, XLT Base, XLT Mid and Lariat Base
Not available with:
? 2.7L V6 EcoBoost® engine (99P)
? 122” WB on XL and XLT
? 145” WB on XL, XLT and Lariat
? XL/XLT Chrome Appearance Package (86A, 86B)
? XL/XLT Sport Appearance Package (861, 862)
Requires:
? Trailer Tow Package (53A) required when ordered with 5.0L Engine (995)
? Max Trailer Tow Package (53C) required when ordered with 3.5L EcoBoost® Engine(99G)
Includes:
? 3.73 Electronic-locking rear-axle
? 9.75" gearset
? 36 Gallon Fuel tank
? LT245/70R17E BSW all-terrain tires (A/T) (T7C) (XL only)
? LT275/65R18C OWL all-terrain tires (A/T) (T8C) (XLT and Lariat)
? Upgraded springs and auxiliary transmission oil cooler
? XL: 17" Silver Steel Heavy-Duty Payload Pkg. wheels (64W)
? XLT/Lariat: 18” Silver Aluminum Heavy-Duty Payload Pkg. wheels (64H)
Optional Equipment:
? XL: 18” Silver Aluminum Heavy-Duty Payload Pkg. wheels (64H) (LT275/65R18C OWLall-terrain tires (A/T) (T8C) are included with the Unique 18” Aluminum wheels (64H))

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In addition to all that I understand the HD package also includes .10" thicker steel for the frame. Frame steel is 49,300 PSI compared to F250 using 50,000 PSI steel.

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mhamershock wrote:

In addition to all that I understand the HD package also includes .10" thicker steel for the frame. Frame steel is 49,300 PSI compared to F250 using 50,000 PSI steel.

Mike


I believe that you are correct. I have heard that the extra frame thickness and heavier axle adds about 120 pounds to the truck's curb weight. It is definitly a sturdier truck.

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I've been told (unconfirmed) that the RAWR on the HD payload package is due to the 7 lug wheels and not the axle assembly. Of course ther are also heavier springs and shocks to handle the load. Makes sense.


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joshuajim wrote:

I've been told (unconfirmed) that the RAWR on the HD payload package is due to the 7 lug wheels and not the axle assembly. Of course ther are also heavier springs and shocks to handle the load. Makes sense.


They don't use the 7 lug anymore. It's a 6 lug, 9.75" rear end. RAWR 4800. There are special wheels for the HD, I'm assuming rated for 80 PSI.

Mike

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