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Diesetgate may turn out to be the best thing that happened to VW, it made them go all in on EV's and PHEV's. The Porsche Tacan 4S starts at 103K and supports 800V charging. 80% charge in 22 minutes.


Nice looking car too. I haven’t heard much about them building out a charging network like the Supercharger network. Maybe they’ll strike a deal with Tesla for usage rights. Can’t believe no one has done that yet.


The Porsche's EPA range is pretty bad for the money it takes to get that car. I have heard some say that it is just due to the testing methods. If so there should be real world stories by now of the Taycan exceeding the 200 mile range but I haven't seen any. Also, the short range is due to poor efficiency, not a small battery. That means that you only go 2/3 as far on a charge but it still takes just as long to charge up.

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wilber1 wrote:

Diesetgate may turn out to be the best thing that happened to VW, it made them go all in on EV's and PHEV's. The Porsche Tacan 4S starts at 103K and supports 800V charging. 80% charge in 22 minutes.


Nice looking car too. I haven’t heard much about them building out a charging network like the Supercharger network. Maybe they’ll strike a deal with Tesla for usage rights. Can’t believe no one has done that yet.


The Porsche's EPA range is pretty bad for the money it takes to get that car. I have heard some say that it is just due to the testing methods. If so there should be real world stories by now of the Taycan exceeding the 200 mile range but I haven't seen any. Also, the short range is due to poor efficiency, not a small battery. That means that you only go 2/3 as far on a charge but it still takes just as long to charge up.


That range is surprizingly low. I wonder if they are not enabling all the battery for longevity purposes.

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Groover wrote:

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wilber1 wrote:

Diesetgate may turn out to be the best thing that happened to VW, it made them go all in on EV's and PHEV's. The Porsche Tacan 4S starts at 103K and supports 800V charging. 80% charge in 22 minutes.


Nice looking car too. I haven’t heard much about them building out a charging network like the Supercharger network. Maybe they’ll strike a deal with Tesla for usage rights. Can’t believe no one has done that yet.


The Porsche's EPA range is pretty bad for the money it takes to get that car. I have heard some say that it is just due to the testing methods. If so there should be real world stories by now of the Taycan exceeding the 200 mile range but I haven't seen any. Also, the short range is due to poor efficiency, not a small battery. That means that you only go 2/3 as far on a charge but it still takes just as long to charge up.


That range is surprizingly low. I wonder if they are not enabling all the battery for longevity purposes.


Could be. Audi limits the battery to 88% capacity on the Etron, Porsche might be doing the same. Tesla has a head start on battery management and others are still playing catch up.


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Groover wrote:

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wilber1 wrote:

Diesetgate may turn out to be the best thing that happened to VW, it made them go all in on EV's and PHEV's. The Porsche Tacan 4S starts at 103K and supports 800V charging. 80% charge in 22 minutes.


Nice looking car too. I haven’t heard much about them building out a charging network like the Supercharger network. Maybe they’ll strike a deal with Tesla for usage rights. Can’t believe no one has done that yet.


The Porsche's EPA range is pretty bad for the money it takes to get that car. I have heard some say that it is just due to the testing methods. If so there should be real world stories by now of the Taycan exceeding the 200 mile range but I haven't seen any. Also, the short range is due to poor efficiency, not a small battery. That means that you only go 2/3 as far on a charge but it still takes just as long to charge up.


That range is surprizingly low. I wonder if they are not enabling all the battery for longevity purposes.


Anything that has a range of 200 seems to be a joke. And for a prestigious car company, the question begs, why did they even bother.

Would have been wise to have one but with another low-end sub-brand and one with the size of Smart and released in Italy, lol.

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Groover wrote:

Reisender wrote:

wilber1 wrote:

Diesetgate may turn out to be the best thing that happened to VW, it made them go all in on EV's and PHEV's. The Porsche Tacan 4S starts at 103K and supports 800V charging. 80% charge in 22 minutes.


Nice looking car too. I haven’t heard much about them building out a charging network like the Supercharger network. Maybe they’ll strike a deal with Tesla for usage rights. Can’t believe no one has done that yet.


The Porsche's EPA range is pretty bad for the money it takes to get that car. I have heard some say that it is just due to the testing methods. If so there should be real world stories by now of the Taycan exceeding the 200 mile range but I haven't seen any. Also, the short range is due to poor efficiency, not a small battery. That means that you only go 2/3 as far on a charge but it still takes just as long to charge up.


That range is surprizingly low. I wonder if they are not enabling all the battery for longevity purposes.


Anything that has a range of 200 seems to be a joke. And for a prestigious car company, the question begs, why did they even bother.

Would have been wise to have one but with another low-end sub-brand and one with the size of Smart and released in Italy, lol.


I think there is a place for sub 200 mile even sub 140 mile range EV’s. But not for 80,000 bucks. [emoticon]

100 mile range commuters for a reasonable price can be quite marketable in the right environment. Tesla is setting up a design centre in Shanghai for the Asian market. One of the expected designs is a 100 to 150 mile 20,000 commuter. My guess is it will happen by end 2020.

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100 mile range commuters for a reasonable price can be quite marketable in the right environment. Tesla is setting up a design centre in Shanghai for the Asian market. One of the expected designs is a 100 to 150 mile 20,000 commuter. My guess is it will happen by end 2020.


Makes sense in China. I think this is the standard range for the Chinese made EV cars.

For the brand conscious Chinese, having a Tesla even if performance is similar with a little bit higher price is viable.

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One of the expected designs is a 100 to 150 mile 20,000 commuter. My guess is it will happen by end 2020.


While I applaud Tesla doing that, my only question is WHY THEY DIDN'T DO IT HERE.

All along they went 35k for the Model 3 and said they were losing money. If they can afford to lose money on those, I don't know why they didn't offer a model 3 for 20-25k. I mean, used 2017 - 2018 Leafs around here with a 90 mile range or whatever they are - STILL around 20k.

I'm curious how they're going to be making money, even though it's manufactured overseas.

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Groover wrote:

Reisender wrote:

wilber1 wrote:

Diesetgate may turn out to be the best thing that happened to VW, it made them go all in on EV's and PHEV's. The Porsche Tacan 4S starts at 103K and supports 800V charging. 80% charge in 22 minutes.


Nice looking car too. I haven’t heard much about them building out a charging network like the Supercharger network. Maybe they’ll strike a deal with Tesla for usage rights. Can’t believe no one has done that yet.


The Porsche's EPA range is pretty bad for the money it takes to get that car. I have heard some say that it is just due to the testing methods. If so there should be real world stories by now of the Taycan exceeding the 200 mile range but I haven't seen any. Also, the short range is due to poor efficiency, not a small battery. That means that you only go 2/3 as far on a charge but it still takes just as long to charge up.


That range is surprizingly low. I wonder if they are not enabling all the battery for longevity purposes.


Anything that has a range of 200 seems to be a joke. And for a prestigious car company, the question begs, why did they even bother.

Would have been wise to have one but with another low-end sub-brand and one with the size of Smart and released in Italy, lol.


I think there is a place for sub 200 mile even sub 140 mile range EV’s. But not for 80,000 bucks. [emoticon]

100 mile range commuters for a reasonable price can be quite marketable in the right environment. Tesla is setting up a design centre in Shanghai for the Asian market. One of the expected designs is a 100 to 150 mile 20,000 commuter. My guess is it will happen by end 2020.


I am not sure that matters. Two different markets. Tesla's are marketed and tend to be more of a daily driver. The Porsche will probably be one of those garage queens typical of the high end supercar market trading hands multiple times with very low miles.

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MNGeeks61 wrote:

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One of the expected designs is a 100 to 150 mile 20,000 commuter. My guess is it will happen by end 2020.


While I applaud Tesla doing that, my only question is WHY THEY DIDN'T DO IT HERE.

All along they went 35k for the Model 3 and said they were losing money. If they can afford to lose money on those, I don't know why they didn't offer a model 3 for 20-25k. I mean, used 2017 - 2018 Leafs around here with a 90 mile range or whatever they are - STILL around 20k.

I'm curious how they're going to be making money, even though it's manufactured overseas.


Although they sell the 35400 SR version of the model 3 Tesla it is not very popular. No idea what the margin is on it. But the SR plus version has healthy margins and they sell a ton of those.

They already said the next Tesla would be smaller than a model 3 and will have less tech. The bigger market for that is Asia. Also, the world has changed a lot in the last few years. Tariffs are now a way of life. Export is difficult. It is better to build in the market you will sell the most in. Less logistics and politics. That’s why they are also building a factory in Germany. It’s also why cars like Nissan Leafs are built in the US for the North American market and not in Japan.

I also think Tesla is a company hated by many Americans and they would probably meet a lot of resistance in opening up another factory in the USA...and from some pretty powerful lobby groups. Big oil, Unions, car dealer alliances. Many would just prefer to see Tesla go broke or at least move operations to another country. It makes sense for Tesla to decentralize away from North America.

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