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Yes, explain that to Dadoffourgirls.


I just think it will be very difficult to make self driving cars compatible with existing roads. I don't think self driving cars are impossible, just the vehicles and roads will need to be designed to work together.


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wilber1 wrote:

time2roll wrote:

Yes, explain that to Dadoffourgirls.
I just think it will be very difficult to make self driving cars compatible with existing roads. I don't think self driving cars are impossible, just the vehicles and roads will need to be designed to work together.
Yes I agree. Dadoffourgirls seemed to think it was a self driving vehicle that caused an accident. There are no self driving Tesla so it was driver error. One of 30,000+ expected this year just in the US.


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It's a good initiative by Tesla having launched the semi-truck, but as I was going through ***Link Removed***Facebook, I found auto driven trucks might not be suitable as pick up trucks. I am open to suggestions on this.

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time2roll wrote:

wilber1 wrote:

time2roll wrote:

Yes, explain that to Dadoffourgirls.
I just think it will be very difficult to make self driving cars compatible with existing roads. I don't think self driving cars are impossible, just the vehicles and roads will need to be designed to work together.
Yes I agree. Dadoffourgirls seemed to think it was a self driving vehicle that caused an accident. There are no self driving Tesla so it was driver error. One of 30,000+ expected this year just in the US.


I know all of you that worship Elon. But advertising "autopilot" and that you will have software to make your Tesla a "autonomous taxi" to make your money back, and NOT BEING ABLE TO DISTINGUISH STOPPED EMERGENCY VEHICLES is horrific in my mind. Yes, it was driver error based on advertised "safest vehicle in the world".

Unbelievable how some of you rationalize your beliefs. I have values.


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Dadoffourgirls wrote:

time2roll wrote:

wilber1 wrote:

time2roll wrote:

Yes, explain that to Dadoffourgirls.
I just think it will be very difficult to make self driving cars compatible with existing roads. I don't think self driving cars are impossible, just the vehicles and roads will need to be designed to work together.
Yes I agree. Dadoffourgirls seemed to think it was a self driving vehicle that caused an accident. There are no self driving Tesla so it was driver error. One of 30,000+ expected this year just in the US.


I know all of you that worship Elon. But advertising "autopilot" and that you will have software to make your Tesla a "autonomous taxi" to make your money back, and NOT BEING ABLE TO DISTINGUISH STOPPED EMERGENCY VEHICLES is horrific in my mind. Yes, it was driver error based on advertised "safest vehicle in the world".

Unbelievable how some of you rationalize your beliefs. I have values.


If you bother to read the Tesla manual, no part of it says, whether it's auto-pilot or autonomous, that it can be without a driver -- save the summons mode which they still qualified to be done in a private space.

You might be conflating it with the totally autonomous vehicles, not Tesla, currently being tested, in fact, without driver nor steering wheels now running on experimental and controlled basis. And then you are assigning these accidents as Tesla cars running on full automous basis. One accident reported was when a driver ignored the cars signal for the driver to takeover while he was playing with it's auto-pilot features.

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Dadoffourgirls wrote:

time2roll wrote:

wilber1 wrote:

time2roll wrote:

Yes, explain that to Dadoffourgirls.
I just think it will be very difficult to make self driving cars compatible with existing roads. I don't think self driving cars are impossible, just the vehicles and roads will need to be designed to work together.
Yes I agree. Dadoffourgirls seemed to think it was a self driving vehicle that caused an accident. There are no self driving Tesla so it was driver error. One of 30,000+ expected this year just in the US.


I know all of you that worship Elon. But advertising "autopilot" and that you will have software to make your Tesla a "autonomous taxi" to make your money back, and NOT BEING ABLE TO DISTINGUISH STOPPED EMERGENCY VEHICLES is horrific in my mind. Yes, it was driver error based on advertised "safest vehicle in the world".

Unbelievable how some of you rationalize your beliefs. I have values.
UMMMM... No. There are no self driving Teslas. Plain and simple driver error. Tesla clearly requires all drivers to stay in control.

You must be the person that worships Elon and Tesla if you believe the vehicles have more capability than they do.

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There have been a few instances of crashes that have occurred when cars were in Autopilot mode. Like an airplane, the car will pretty much drive itself, but yet requires the driver to pay attention to what is happening. The problem is that it's human nature for us to only pay as much attention as we have to. It's easy to get lulled into a routine of reading a magazine or playing with a phone while you should be watching the road, and in the extremely rare instance where your can cannot differentiate between the sky and the side of a semi truck a crash occurs.

We as a society tend to be much more accepting of human error than machine error (even when that results in death), and that along with the fact that humans only pay as much attention as they think they need to will make the transition to fully autonomous cars problematic and messy.

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Humans are good at doing but suck at monitoring. Computers are great at monitoring, they never get distracted or tired, yet we keep trying to make it the reverse.

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time2roll wrote:

Dadoffourgirls wrote:



I know all of you that worship Elon. But advertising "autopilot" and that you will have software to make your Tesla a "autonomous taxi" to make your money back, and NOT BEING ABLE TO DISTINGUISH STOPPED EMERGENCY VEHICLES is horrific in my mind. Yes, it was driver error based on advertised "safest vehicle in the world".

Unbelievable how some of you rationalize your beliefs. I have values.
UMMMM... No. There are no self driving Teslas. Plain and simple driver error. Tesla clearly requires all drivers to stay in control.

You must be the person that worships Elon and Tesla if you believe the vehicles have more capability than they do.


killed a few quotes...

The main problem as I've repeatedly stated is Elon. Tweet, tweet "autonomous taxis this year", "full self driving soon", "semi in 2018", and of course I paraphrase because I don't feel like proving to you that he could be some of the cause of the stupidity. Also because he WON against that poor cave diver. What a class act.

Anyway, here's tesla's own site. If people don't read...

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Here's the other half of the equation. People DON'T read their entire manual. When you buy a car, and wind up with a 350 page plus manual (yep, Jeep Cherokee) or capability to view online, a lot of people will just ignore some of the manual. So of course you'll have people ignoring things they should read. Still the manufacturer's responsibility to phrase it correctly and Elon is not much help there.

I have to ask, is it just the media or do Tesla's get singled out because of their hype? I mean, there are other cars with driver assist features, surely those people must not read either. Where are all their crashes?

My father has a Grand Cherokee with some type of lane follow/center feature. When it's on, and set to the highest setting, it will move the wheel to stay in the lane. It's a bit unsettling, if for example you wish to pass a State Trooper on the side of the road, the wheel will almost jerk itself out of your hands. An example of a learning curve perhaps.

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wilber1 wrote:

Humans are good at doing but suck at monitoring. Computers are great at monitoring, they never get distracted or tired, yet we keep trying to make it the reverse.


The only problem we have with computers...is that people program them.

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