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Ralph Cramden

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naturist wrote:

My experience has been that campground hosts, rangers, and the folks in the office can all tell you where to buy wood nearby. Moving wood from one campground to another is highly discouraged if not outright illegal due to various non-native insect species such as emerald ash borers, woliaed aphids, gypsy moths, etc. Wherever you go, do NOT stock up. Buy only what you plan to burn where you are, and leave any leftovers for the next camper. Yes, it’s more expensive, but the locals appreciate your not infecting their woods with new pests.


The EAB was first found in Butler County PA in 2007. The state DNR and dept of agriculture initiated firewood bans and quarantines. As of 2016 62 of PAs 67 every counties has the EAB, and it has moved to NY, NJ,and all other NE states. The statewide county by county quarantine is no longer in effect. Quarantines and other such government decrees do nothing. The EAB migrating from the Detroit MI area where first discovered ( believed to have arrived in pallets from Asia) in 2002, and now in at least 31 states and some Canadian Provinces, had very little to do with campers moving firewood around and more to do with commercial movement of forest products.

Good luck telling that to people who recieve a paycheck from organizations such as donotmovefirewood.org, who have a vested interest in a calamity of epic proportions for their job security.

Are invasive insects a huge environmental issue as well as an economic one? You betcha. Are firewood rules going to solve it or even help.......not really. The whole scenario was brought on by the same people telling you not to move wood, who were not doing their job in 2002. I am told to not move firewood, but sawmill Joe can haul a load of freshly cut Ash that is never inspected, from MD or WV to his mill in PA, because he holds a piece of paper from the USDA. Horsepoopage.

And by the way, the PA DCNR advises you to not leave wood behind for the next camper but to burn it.

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You can buy bundles of fir wood at most big box stores that is certified by the government to be safe.USDA Certified for quality assurance
Heat Treated and Kiln Dried to prevent mold eliminate insects


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Most campgrounds sell bundled firewood but ... expensive
Many Grocery stores, and even gas stations likewise, also more costly than I like.

And finally you have private sellers.. Drive in any direction for 2 miles or 4 KM and you will likely find 2 or 3 alongside the road. My recommendation is these folks. Some even deliver if you order large amounts.


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As others have suggested - don't sweat it - don't haul it. Local supplies are plentiful and every Oregon State Park I have visited has firewood for sale and while you pay a slight premium it's nominal and helps support the park system.


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Actually I find it sort of funny that people spend many thousands of dollars on trailers, towing vehicles, etc, then complain about spending a few bucks for wood.

The one's I feel for are young families just starting out in tents and pop-ups. When we were still tenting it was a stretch to pull together $100 for a weekend. There was lots of free wood everywhere, we rarely paid for it. No free wood anymore.


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I found it interesting regarding the "only use local firewood" when at one oregon state park on the coast a big tractor trailer pulled in with a load of firewood that the campground sells. I asked where it came from. Well, hardly what I would call local, came from forests around Wallowa Lake, the FAR eastern part of the state, a stones through from Idaho.

So I guess it's do as I say, not as I do.


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I buy from the local camp host. He needs a bit extra $$ more than the big corporations.


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Well no fire ban in Western Oregon now, in fact we have a gale warning for this afternoon. That said here at South beach SP we currently have a stock of Kiln dried heat treated firewood.
As stated before many sources for firewood all about $5 for a bundle.


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Ralph Cramden wrote:

naturist wrote:

My experience has been that campground hosts, rangers, and the folks in the office can all tell you where to buy wood nearby. Moving wood from one campground to another is highly discouraged if not outright illegal due to various non-native insect species such as emerald ash borers, woliaed aphids, gypsy moths, etc. Wherever you go, do NOT stock up. Buy only what you plan to burn where you are, and leave any leftovers for the next camper. Yes, it’s more expensive, but the locals appreciate your not infecting their woods with new pests.


The EAB was first found in Butler County PA in 2007. The state DNR and dept of agriculture initiated firewood bans and quarantines. As of 2016 62 of PAs 67 every counties has the EAB, and it has moved to NY, NJ,and all other NE states. The statewide county by county quarantine is no longer in effect. Quarantines and other such government decrees do nothing. The EAB migrating from the Detroit MI area where first discovered ( believed to have arrived in pallets from Asia) in 2002, and now in at least 31 states and some Canadian Provinces, had very little to do with campers moving firewood around and more to do with commercial movement of forest products.

Good luck telling that to people who recieve a paycheck from organizations such as donotmovefirewood.org, who have a vested interest in a calamity of epic proportions for their job security.

Are invasive insects a huge environmental issue as well as an economic one? You betcha. Are firewood rules going to solve it or even help.......not really. The whole scenario was brought on by the same people telling you not to move wood, who were not doing their job in 2002. I am told to not move firewood, but sawmill Joe can haul a load of freshly cut Ash that is never inspected, from MD or WV to his mill in PA, because he holds a piece of paper from the USDA. Horsepoopage.

And by the way, the PA DCNR advises you to not leave wood behind for the next camper but to burn it.
By all means, if a law doesn't completely yield the intended results you should just ignore it. If that is your mantra, I don't know why you would choose firewood as your law to ignore. It would be much more profitable to realize the war on drugs isn't working and then start selling heroin.

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Thank you everyone for your tips! I think it'll end up being the propane fire pit. I'm not complaining about buying wood, I just didn't know where to get it as I've never had a fire in the United States! In Canada they sell "bundles" at gas stations at a ridiculous price, so I was avoiding that (who wants to pay more for anything!). Sounds like propane bowl is the easiest and most cost efficient. [emoticon]

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