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mike/kellie

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Posted: 10/26/17 04:58pm Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

I found this today because my travels took me by a Ca. weigh scale that had 5 officers (3 motorcycles, 2 trucks) ready to pull over vehicles not entering the scales. Pulled over the side of the road were 2-3 trucks with contractor boxes. They looked to be your typical 3500 series with utility beds and maybe lumber racks. I happened to be in the VW as it's being turned into the dealership tonight! My 5500 will be a daily driver for a couple months and I'll probably creep into a scale soon to see what might be required for a personal vehicle. I'm registered for 19K with stickers on both doors. They were all-out enforcing today!

DO THESE VEHICLES HAVE TO STOP AT THE SCALES?

PICKUP -- It depends on the gross vehicle weight rating (GVWR), unladen weight, and bed of the truck.

GVWR under 11,500 pounds, unladen weight of less than 8,001 pounds, and open box-type bed not exceeding 9 feet in length -- NO.
GVWR 11,500 pounds or more, unladen weight 8,001 pounds or more, or not equipped with an open box-type bed not exceeding 9 feet in length -- YES.

Discussion: According to CVC Section 471, pickups are a motor truck by definition, which is required to stop at the scales per CVC Section 2813. However, all California weigh stations have signs stating: "No Pickups." So, if a vehicle meet the definition of pickup in CVC Section 471, it is not required to stop at the scales because of the signs stating: "No Pickups." If the pickup has a GVWR of 11,500 pounds or more, an unladen weight 8,001 pounds, not equipped with an open-box type bed not exceeding 9 feet in length, or the pickup bed has been removed and a utility body or flat bed has been mounted, then it no longer meets the definition of pickup in CVC Section 471; it is then a "motor truck" under CVC Section 410 and required to stop at the weigh stations.

PICKUP WITH CAMPER SHELL -- NO (May have to stop under certain conditions. Contact California Highway Patrol Commercial Vehicle Section for verification (916-843-3400))

Discussion: It can also display passenger vehicle plates, as long as the cargo in the bed is not being hauled for compensation.

PICKUP WITH CAB / CREW CAB WITH BOX-TYPE BED -- YES

Discussion: The utility or box bed has to enter weigh stations.


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Posted: 10/26/17 05:03pm Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

RVs of any kind do NOT have to stop at scales. At least I never have, in CA, nor have I even been looked at sideways. And I drive a big MDT. I used to have an F450 with a hauler bed. I looked like a contractor. No scales, ever.

I think one time I got a flashing sign telling me to go in. I did not.

Scales are for commercially licensed vehicles on the job.

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Posted: 10/26/17 05:19pm Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

The trucks pulled over did not have loads other than tools and ladders, nor signage of "Jim's painting". If I had my camper on, I won't stop because it completes the outfit. However my truck by itself would probably have been pulled over based on today's observation.

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Posted: 10/26/17 05:25pm Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

Are you sure that's why they were pulled over? Could it have been for some other reason?


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Posted: 10/26/17 05:34pm Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

Other than delay, what's the worry if you get pulled over?


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Posted: 10/26/17 05:47pm Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

My farm name is on the side of my truck but no DOT number and I never stop and have never been hassled here in Michigan. Kalifornia is most likely another story....


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Posted: 10/26/17 05:59pm Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

This wasn't checking for air brake leaks etc. It was full-on enforcement of any pick-up truck with a utility body that had by-passed the weigh station. I can't copy and paste the picture but it was done previously on the CHP facebook page in July. The image is of 4 motorcycles and several vehicles all looking for vehicles not entering the station. This is a single wide, small town set-up in Marin County going S Bound. The pick-up truck drivers all had a look of disbelief.

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Posted: 10/26/17 06:11pm Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

Just like I said in another topic 3 DOT officers will give you 3 different interpretation of the law.
I pass CA weight station with my F450 having 10 foot flatbed 100 times and never got pulled over.
Then it is not the camper itself that makes you non-commercial. It is going to DMV for inspection and changing truck classification that counts.
Actually before year 2010 my truck had no commercial stickers. It was few years later when I used the truck commercially.
But what I learned later (partially hard way) is that the law is very old, but it was not enforced for decades.
Than state turned LEO into revenue seekers and we have what we have.
From couple times I was send for inspection at weight station - checking emergency brakes on trailers is HUGE money maker for the state.

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Posted: 10/26/17 06:23pm Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

Besides hard to understand, I’m not sure your analysis is correct.


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Posted: 10/26/17 07:04pm Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

There is an easy solution to this, don't go to California

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