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You are correct. I shouldn't have used the term CDL in my post.


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Well here's what I think I think... There is maybe a dozen of these license's scattered across the US of A. It appears the DOT's of California, Pennsylvania, Texas & North Carolina are clueless as to where to take the test, who needs to take the test, what test to take, and what you end up with. With all the RV's out there, I don't think there are a lot of these licenses to go along. Even this post only has 3 or 4 members answering various questions. If most folks have this license, I would think there would be more answers like, "yea I have that"... Not saying you don't need it, only that I don't think many folk have it....

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For Canajuns (from Ontario): GCWR over 11,000kg (24,200lb) you need a Class A license. The only difference between that and a commercial driver's license is that you take the road test in your RV. Also, the rating they give you is AR - the R is Restricted but I've never been able to find out what the restriction is.

Yes, and once over 65 FULL ANNUAL medicals (not questionnaire) - our universal health care is generally wonderful, but it doesn't cover driver's medicals.

If you have a big motorhome with airbrakes, you also need a Z endorsement.

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Whiskey River wrote:

Well here's what I think I think... There is maybe a dozen of these license's scattered across the US of A. It appears the DOT's of California, Pennsylvania, Texas & North Carolina are clueless as to where to take the test, who needs to take the test, what test to take, and what you end up with. With all the RV's out there, I don't think there are a lot of these licenses to go along. Even this post only has 3 or 4 members answering various questions. If most folks have this license, I would think there would be more answers like, "yea I have that"... Not saying you don't need it, only that I don't think many folk have it....


No doubt. But that doesn't make it any less illegal. As long as these unlicensed RVers don't get pulled over for a traffic infraction or don't get into an accident, then ignorance is bliss.

Watch out if they do. State has no mercy.


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Whiskey River wrote:

Well here's what I think I think... There is maybe a dozen of these license's scattered across the US of A. It appears the DOT's of California, Pennsylvania, Texas & North Carolina are clueless as to where to take the test, who needs to take the test, what test to take, and what you end up with. With all the RV's out there, I don't think there are a lot of these licenses to go along. Even this post only has 3 or 4 members answering various questions. If most folks have this license, I would think there would be more answers like, "yea I have that"... Not saying you don't need it, only that I don't think many folk have it....


I have the Non Commercial A license in California. I agree, most that have the larger/heavier trailers/5th wheels don't know about it, and most of the DMV workers are unaware of it also. In California what triggers the license requirement is the 5th wheels GVWR (over 15k) for the Non Commercial A. Travel trailers over 10k GVWR also require the Non Commercial A. 5th wheels between 10k and 15k also require an endorsement to your regular Class C license. It is becoming more widely known about the license requirements but still has a long ways to go. Since getting my license I've ridden with 3 other friends so that they could go to the Commercial test facility in Sacramento for their driving test. That is one of the things that makes it hard for someone who wants to get the license, but doesn't know someone to ride with them to drive to the test facility. And they will check to see if you have a driver that rode with you, to see if they have an "A" license or not when you check in for the test.


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Gary O wrote:

No,you have to have a class a licensed driver with you when towing. While waiting to take test,the tester told me to move truck and trailer to a different spot because I was blocking area for auto testing,I moved rig and backed in the spot where she told me to, while she watched,she said if I would have moved rig without a licensed class a in with me I would have failed!She also told me the state police are starting to check rver's for proper license and weight class. Just study the manual and you won't have any problems.I was getting ready to take a 4 week trip out west and glad I took care of this before we left.


Another question for you, Gary. You happen to know if they checked your GCWR?

I assume you have to take the test with a truck and trailer combo that would exceed 26,001lbs when added up together, as per the stickers on the vehicles.

My truck plus my 5er would equal 30,850lbs adding them together (14k GVWR for truck plus 16.8k GVWR for 5er).

But, if they check the manual for my truck, I'd technically be exceeding the GCWR of 23,500lbs.

Actual combined GVW would be south of that, but GCWR would exceed it.

Planning on buying a new truck this summer, but wanting to take the test before then.

Maybe a moot question since having a license would be irrelevant should I have an incident and be exceeding published GCWR...

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ToddD wrote:

Gary O wrote:

No,you have to have a class a licensed driver with you when towing. While waiting to take test,the tester told me to move truck and trailer to a different spot because I was blocking area for auto testing,I moved rig and backed in the spot where she told me to, while she watched,she said if I would have moved rig without a licensed class a in with me I would have failed!She also told me the state police are starting to check rver's for proper license and weight class. Just study the manual and you won't have any problems.I was getting ready to take a 4 week trip out west and glad I took care of this before we left.


Another question for you, Gary. You happen to know if they checked your GCWR?

I assume you have to take the test with a truck and trailer combo that would exceed 26,001lbs when added up together, as per the stickers on the vehicles.

My truck plus my 5er would equal 30,850lbs adding them together (14k GVWR for truck plus 16.8k GVWR for 5er).

But, if they check the manual for my truck, I'd technically be exceeding the GCWR of 23,500lbs.

Actual combined GVW would be south of that, but GCWR would exceed it.

Planning on buying a new truck this summer, but wanting to take the test before then.

Maybe a moot question since having a license would be irrelevant should I have an incident and be exceeding published GCWR...

When I did my Texas A the tester did look at my wieght rating stickers to make sure combo GVWR was over 26000.
OP said hard to find Tx test site, just go to TxDPS website & all the sites listed. When. I did mine all test sites did the class A non-commercial.
Probably only 20 % of RVers have the correct license ,just a wag. IMHO dealers won't tell a prospect that an upgrade to DL needed cause they wouldn't buy.

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Yes they checked mine.I went from a class 5 weight to a class 10.My truck had a GVWR of 14000 but to tow my 5th wheel and be legal, over 26001, I had to get a GCWR of 33000 lbs.I had to go to Ford dealer and have a licensed inspection tech fill out a form that my truck could legally tow that weight.I had to get a new title for my truck, titled for a GCWR of 40000 lbs but I only license it for 33000 lbs.It was a big pain in a$$,but I'm legal anywhere I tow. I'll try to find out what form I needed and will let you know.

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