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Toyhaulernoob

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Posted: 12/30/17 05:01pm Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

First post here... I will start off saying I do not own a 5th wheel toy hauler yet, I have been looking for awhile and cannot find one I like that my truck can tow, maybe I am being to anal about the weight ratings? But I do not want to cause any accidents or put anybody's life at harm because I neglected to follow the rules.

I have a 2017 4 door f250 4x4 platinum diesel that is rated for 10k, the truck empty is coming in at 8,000lb, sooo after a few passengers and a 5th wheel hitch I am stuck with a 1500lb pin weight? Every decent toy hauler I have seen even down to 32ft has a pin weight over 2,000 lbs. I know if you load some weight in the rear it reduces pin weight but no clue by how much?

Anyway, does nobody use a 3/4 ton?
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Posted: 12/30/17 05:20pm Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

We have a 3/4 ton, but it is a gasser and an XLT so it weighs less than yours-- with hitch installed and other bed gear it is 7680. Our TH is 32 foot.


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Posted: 12/30/17 05:23pm Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

What is your payload? And the weight of your passengers and stuff in truck? Reduce pin weight below 20%? Hmmm


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Not anal, just smart. That is the problem with 250s, lack of capacity and still be within the mfg specs. You will find lots of people that will tell you its no problem. But I did it for three years and was never happy about it. Instead of a fiver think lean more toward a TT. At least you will have a fighting chance to get what you want.


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Posted: 12/30/17 06:18pm Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

My family has a 28ft bumper and its not even a toy hauler, and it sucks! Can't get above 60mph without feeling like your going to flip over, I can't imagine a 30+ft, would hate to buy it then regret it.

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You'll have a hard time finding a decent sized fiver and staying under payload rating of a 3/4t diesel truck. If you went by payload rating alone, most 3/4 truck with fivers would be overweight.

More important is to stay under the tire and axle ratings. Load up your truck and go to a scale. Measure the rear axle weight. A fivers pin weight is mostly carried on the rear axle so the difference between your loaded axle weight and the RAWR is what you can handle for pin weight.


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We have seen 1/2 ts pulling 14k 5ers. Guy brags about air bags, wheels, tires. We have also seen them at brake and tranny shops, by the side of the road with broken axles, piled up into the rear of traffic jams.
You cant have too much truck. Cheaper to get a heavier truck than to modify a light one.
Test Drive a 1 t, 3/4t, 1/2 t. You will lose your thought that a heavy truck rides rough, is hard to park and handle. Difference is minor, resale better. its worth my state of mind for my family that we have more than enough.

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As has been stated, the biggest issue with 3/4-ton trucks is the rear axle capacity - not the "max tow rating." A trimmed-out F250 diesel with all the options (plus fuel, passengers, hitch, and junk) may end up with a little under 3,000 lbs. left to play with on the rear axle... but the, again, maybe not. The only way to know for sure is to load it up and drive to the nearest CAT scales to get separate front and rear axle weights. Be sure to figure in a couple of hundred pounds for a hitch if you don't have one in the truck already. Subtract the scale numbers from the numbers on the sticker on the driver's side door frame and you'll have your true usable payload. For non-toy-hauler fifth wheels, a good rule of thumb is to use 23% of the trailer's GVWR (not published pin weight) for a load pin weight. Toy haulers with something heavy in the garage can be a bit lighter on the pin, but usually not much because of handling ramifications.

We spent our first 15 months of full-timing with a 14K fifth wheel and a 3/4-ton truck (GMC 2500HD CC diesel) and were maxed out on the rear axle. When we had a chance to move into a DRW 1-ton in perfect condition, we jumped on it!

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I own a scale at my house, I'll go get some #s, thanks.

Front axle: 4700
Rear: 3100


Sticker says front 5200, rear 6340
Gvwr 10k,

* This post was edited 12/30/17 09:23pm by Toyhaulernoob *

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So you have 2200lbs left of your payload but over 3200lbs left of your rear axle rating. Most fiver tow'ers will go by the axle rating. Up to you which rating you are comfortable with.

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