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Solar Panels Trumpeting A Heads Up

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WASHINGTON (AP) — President Donald Trump on Monday approved tariffs on imported solar-energy components and large washing machines in a bid to help U.S. manufacturers.

The Republican’s decision followed recommendations for tariffs by the U.S. International Trade Commission.

“The president’s action makes clear again that the Trump administration will always defend American workers, farmers, ranchers, and businesses in this regard,” U.S. Trade Representative Robert Lighthizer said in a statement announcing the decision.

Most imported solar modules will face an immediate tariff of 30 percent, with the rate declining before phasing out after four years. For large residential washing machines, tariffs will start at up to 50 percent and phase out after three years.

Mexico said Trump’s decision not to exclude it from the measures was “regrettable.”

“Mexico will use all available legal resources in response to the U.S. decision to apply protections on Mexican washing machines and solar panels,” its Economy Department said in a statement.

The U.S. solar industry was split over the trade barriers.

The tariffs were sought last year by Suniva Inc., which filed for bankruptcy protection in April, and the U.S. subsidiary of Germany’s SolarWorld.

They said that a nearly 500 percent increase in imported solar panels over five years led to a ruinous price collapse. Nearly 30 U.S. solar-manufacturing facilities had closed in the past five years, they said, as China plotted to flood the global market with cheap products to weaken U.S. manufacturing.

Suniva spokesman Mark Paustenbach called tariffs “a step forward for this high-tech solar-manufacturing industry we pioneered right here in America.”

However, solar installers and manufacturers of other equipment used to run solar-power systems opposed tariffs, which they said will raise their prices and hurt demand for the renewable energy.

The Solar Energy Industries Association, which represents installation companies, said billions of dollars of solar investment will be delayed or canceled, leading to the loss of 23,000 jobs this year.

Mark Bortman, founder of Exact Solar in Philadelphia, said the prospect of tariffs, since the trade commission recommended them in October, had already caused him to delay hiring and expansion plans.

“Solar is really just starting to take off because it is truly a win-win-win situation” for consumers, workers and the environment, he said. “Tariffs would really be shooting ourselves in the foot.”

The case for tariffs on washing machines was pushed by Benton Harbor, Michigan-based Whirlpool Corp. The company’s chairman, Jeff Fettig, said tariffs on imported machines would create new manufacturing jobs in Ohio, Kentucky, South Carolina and Tennessee.

“This is a victory for American workers and consumers alike,” Fettig said. “By enforcing our existing trade laws, President Trump has ensured American workers will compete on a level playing field with their foreign counterparts.”

But U.S. Sen. Ben Sasse, a Republican from Nebraska, said Republicans need to understand that tariffs are a tax on consumers.

“Moms and dads shopping on a budget for a new washing machine will pay for this — not big companies,” Sasse said in a statement.

Suniva, SolarWorld and Whirlpool were helped by a 1974 trade law that lets companies seek trade protection if they can show damage from a rise in imports.

Up to certain levels, imports of solar cells will be exempt from the tariff, while the first 1.2 million imported large washing machines will get a lower tariff, peaking at 20 percent.

Congress has no authority to change or veto Trump’s decision. Countries affected by the decision can appeal to the World Trade Organization.
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I think it is important to focus on the fact this tariff is on solar panels. People don't hoard solar panels. They won't spend all their money to buy em up before the tariff kicks in. Maybe a few companies are out/low on stock because of this right now because a few consumers panicked. I suspect it won't take but a couple months for solar producers in America to catch up.

How does the American consumer benefit?
Do we not know by now to buy American when given the option? American consumers will benefit from this because they will receive a high quality product, of state of the art technology, at a fair price for it. And less people will be without good jobs in this country. Wait for things in the industry to settle down then buy American made solar products as needed.

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pnichols wrote:
Now .... if they'd throw in a 30% tariff on Honda generators .... maybe we'd have some better choices in U.S. made gennys to buy, instead! :B

Maybe,,maybe not,,it takes many years of reliable products to atract and keep customers,,thats how Honda cars got so popular here..

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MEXICOWANDERER wrote:
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WASHINGTON (AP) — President Donald Trump on Monday approved tariffs on imported solar-energy components and large washing machine...

“This is a victory for American workers and consumers alike,” Fettig said. “By enforcing our existing trade laws, President Trump has ensured American workers will compete on a level playing field with their foreign counterparts.”
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Will panels made in US be cheaper priced then those made in China?
If not then,
How does it benefits consumers?

On another note why not put tarifs on Apple phones and PCs made in China also,,and all Chinese made products the Wallmart sells?

Probably bc these two companies are too powerful to get pushed around..

Maybe there should be a political forum on this site,,

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Now .... if they'd throw in a 30% tariff on Honda generators .... maybe we'd have some better choices in U.S. made gennys to buy, instead! :B
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troubledwaters wrote:
Who you trying to kid? The title of your post blatantly blasts that it is political.


Unsolicited arm chair moderators are aplenty...

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It'll take a while for the panels hit with the 30% tariff to show up at the retail level. That's why people planning on getting solar panels should buy now.

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Home Depot just dropped the price on Grape Solar 100 watt panels. $97 from $143.49. Free Shipping.
So much for prices going up because of the tariffs.

https://www.homedepot.com/b/Grape-Solar/N-5yc1vZ8p9
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MEXICOWANDERER wrote:
Seven of eight 12 volt panels in Solar Blvd have been out of stock for months.

The FED has weakened the Dollar THIS WEEK. Better take another look...


rv use is pretty small and high volume 12V panel demand is drying up. I wonder if mfg are just moving away from making 12V panels and going to the 24V panels popular for grid tie applications. That's were the volume is.

Look at prices when 12V and 24V similar panels were pretty available. 24V panels were way cheaper on a watts/$ and often more efficient and smaller for the same watts.
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MEX, thanks for the original post.:)
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Seven of eight 12 volt panels in Solar Blvd have been out of stock for months.

The FED has weakened the Dollar THIS WEEK. Better take another look...

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MEXICOWANDERER wrote:
What I was/am interested in, sharing on this forum is that panel price and availability is going to suffer. Now Solar Blvd is a dry well for 12 volt panels.


IMO, pricing to a small degree but availability-No.
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westernrvparkowner wrote:
Probably should find better reading resources . . . The source I am sure you are quoting is the solar institute, which determined there are around 370,000 people employed in the entire solar industry . . .

That appears to be about 100,000 people too high according to both SEIA and the Solar Foundation.
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Naio wrote:
From what I have read, the tariffs are illegal under our international agreements, and will be kicked out. They are just pretend.

Which is good news, considering that solar employs more people then coal, oil, and gas in this country.
Probably should find better reading resources. Tariffs are absolutely allowed under international law. And to say that solar employs more than oil, coal and gas is creative accounting at best. The source I am sure you are quoting is the solar institute, which determined there are around 370,000 people employed in the entire solar industry versus 180,000 that work directly for fossil fueled power plants. Their numbers include the people employed in the fabrication, distribution, installation of solar systems, but doesn't include people employed to manufacture, service, transport fuels, refine fuels, drill or mine those fuels etc. for the fossil fueled power plants. Might just as well say that Tesla employs more retail sales people (Telsa sale centers are staffed by Tesla employees) than all the other auto manufacturers combined (since their sales are conducted by independently owned franchised dealers whose employees are not considered employees of GM, Ford, Toyota etc.). It may be technically a true statement, but seriously misleading.

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What I was/am interested in, sharing on this forum is that panel price and availability is going to suffer. Now Solar Blvd is a dry well for 12 volt panels.