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ReadyToGo

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So win10 is a terrible OS? Over 500 million machines as of this spring. I guess you will find computers that have issues especially if you have no control over the hardware.
Does anyone think that other OSs don't have problems with their updates? Just yesterday Apple is going to try to incorporate older machines into new OS. Makes one wonder why that hasn't always been the goal.

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theoldwizard1 wrote:

Bill.Satellite wrote:

I have always liked Win 10 and I was an early adopter. However, most folks don't like to talk about it because those who don't like change or have never actually tried it tend to Flame the poster for saying good things and are treated like pariah.

So tell me what am I missing ?


In this post, the thing you are missing is any sort of clarity of thought. Did you have a question or are you just trying to add to your post count?


What I post is my 2 cents and nothing more. Please don't read anything into my post that's not there. If you disagree, that's OK.
Can't we all just get along?

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ReadyToGo wrote:

So win10 is a terrible OS? Over 500 million machines as of this spring. I guess you will find computers that have issues especially if you have no control over the hardware.
Does anyone think that other OSs don't have problems with their updates? Just yesterday Apple is going to try to incorporate older machines into new OS. Makes one wonder why that hasn't always been the goal.

you make a good point. my experience with Win10 is limited to acting as tech support to family and friends. my primary issue is the user interface...totally different from Win7 and earlier versions. Win10 is more like a smart phone or tablet. I recall reading that people whose first experience with windows is Win10 love the OS as it's more intuitive and similar to their smart devices. OTOH, many, maybe most, windows users like me who date back to Windows 3/3.1/Windows for Work Groups and earlier have a steep learning curve with the GUI because it is so different from "legacy" windows.

my other issue is the forced update. I get that troubleshooting issues is easier if users are all on the same page in terms of OS version. but I'm a guy that assumes the worst in terms of an upgrade and so I do a complete image backup of the OS partition before applying any changes to the OS. that was problematic with Win10 as MS force fed those updates to everyone. no way to turn them off other than disabling the update service.

at some point either our Win7 machines, which have been incredibly reliable for many years, will need to be replaced or January 2020 when MS will cease all support of Win7. when that happens it will be new PC time which means Win10 and somehow we'll manage.


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I hate Windows, and have tolerated Windows up through Windows 7 (and I've had to tolerate it from it's very inception ... in fact, from "before" Windows (tm)) ... early DOS, CP/M, OS/2, PC-MOS, etc ... all the flavors. Right now, I use my MacBook Pro to connect to my Windows 10 desktop to connect to my Linux servers, where all the work I do actually takes place.


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ReadyToGo wrote:

So win10 is a terrible OS? Over 500 million machines as of this spring. I guess you will find computers that have issues especially if you have no control over the hardware.
Does anyone think that other OSs don't have problems with their updates? Just yesterday Apple is going to try to incorporate older machines into new OS. Makes one wonder why that hasn't always been the goal.


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Every time Apple puts out a new version of an operating system, they announce what machines can use it. Yesterday, they introduce MacOS Mojave. They announced that it would run on any machine that can run MacOS High Sierra. Last year, when they introduced High Sierra, they announced that it would run on any machine that could run MacOS Sierra, and so forth.

To quantify that a little further, Mojave can run on late 2009 and later MacBooks and IMacs, on 2010 and later for the rest of their computers. That makes it easy for users to know whether or not their computer can run a new OS. It was not that easy for Windows users to determine whether or not their computers could run Windows 10, when it came out.

And, MacOS is free.

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Two points. MS did and still does have a program to determine if your computer can run Win 10. It is great in the that you don't have to remember if you are running hopscotch or purple or ice cream whatever.
I guess you aren't old enough to remember that Win10 was free when it was released and is free on any new PC.

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W/10 is free with all the headaches to go with it! Don't ya just LOVE IT! Hey,that is the Lyrics to a song!! LOL!!

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ReadyToGo wrote:

Two points. MS did and still does have a program to determine if your computer can run Win 10. It is great in the that you don't have to remember if you are running hopscotch or purple or ice cream whatever.
I guess you aren't old enough to remember that Win10 was free when it was released and is free on any new PC.

nothing is "free". someone somewhere is paying for it. the cost of Win10 is built into the cost of every PC. personally, whenever I decide to change to a new OS I buy a brand new, custom built PC rather than upgrading my current PC.

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ReadyToGo wrote:

Two points. MS did and still does have a program to determine if your computer can run Win 10. It is great in the that you don't have to remember if you are running hopscotch or purple or ice cream whatever.
I guess you aren't old enough to remember that Win10 was free when it was released and is free on any new PC.


I do remember that Windows 10 was free for a period of time. But one had to have a Windows 7 or Windows 8 license. Computer manufacturers, still had to pay Microsoft to install Windows 10.

Unlike Mac users, most Windows users are one-and-done as far as operating systems go. They buy a computer and stay with that OS until they buy a new computer. Microsoft needed to get a large user base for Windows 10, if for no other reason, for all of the Windows 10's hooks into the Microsoft ecosystem of services. It took Windows 10, 2.5 years to overtake Windows 7 and the predominant OS on PCs. (About 43% to 43%) Why so long for a free OS? The current MacOS is running on about 46% of the Macs and its been out less than a year. Mac users tend to keep computers longer - my travel computer is a mid 2009 - and the older machines can't run High Sierra.

Don't get me wrong, I think Windows 10 is the best OS Microsoft has produced. I love it.

Back to my previous post on what computers will run MacOS Mojave. I watched excerpts of Apple's Keynote and though I heard them say, Mojave would run on any computers that run High Sierra. Whether they did or not, that doesn't seem to be the case. In a later release, they provided a list of computers that could run Mojave.

MacBook (Early 2015 or newer)
MacBook Air (Mid 2012 or newer)
MacBook Pro (Mid 2012 or newer)
Mac mini (Late 2012 or newer)
iMac (Late 2012 or newer)
iMac Pro (2017)
Mac Pro (Late 2013, plus mid 2010 and mid 2012 models with recommended Metal-capable GPU)

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Thanks for agreeing with me. Most Macs built before 2012 cannot run the latest OS. That is what, 6 year old computers that can't run the latest OS. Your 2009 computer probably can't run the current OS. PCs that are 10 years old can run Win10. They may be slow but probably not as Win10 is a faster OS on most computers. Win 7 came out in 2009 (almost 10 years) , so the vast majority of PCs had the free update to Win 10.
As far as 43 % also running Win 7 still yet, it has always been a slow upgrade for businesses to go to a new OS. They maintain a lot of legacy applications that need to be test out on the new OS before they can upgrade. Just to give you an example of how slow companies can be for upgrades, I will tell you about the company I was with in 1996. Do you remember the date issue for the year 2000? A lot of programs forced the year to be 19xx and had to be changed. It took the company I was at 3 years to update and test and install the one change across the entire platform.
Your comparison of 46% Mac users on the current (until now) OS is quite misleading. The vast majority of Mac users are individual not business users. You would think that it would be in the high 80%. The market numbers currently show that Windows (all OSs) at over 88 % while iOS (Mac I guess) is at 8.75 %.
My wife still has Win 7 on her computer because like others have posted here, she doesn't want to learn a new OS. This is funny to me as she uses it for one Word document (or Libre) and the rest is Firefox browser things. I put the Icons on the desktop for her so she never sees the OS. She goes back and forth from my computer to hers without having a clue which OS she is using. Basically, just give her an Icon and she is happy.

By the way, you say that Mfgs have to pay to put Win 10 on their computers. Who do you think pays to have Ios on your Mac. You do in the inflated price of a Mac.

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