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theoldwizard1

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Posted: 06/07/18 11:25am Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

donn0128 wrote:

You shourld actually be using a torque wrench to check and tighten the lug nuts.

You can very easily over torque lug nuts with a 4-way !

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It's obviously NOT that easy as I'm pretty sure I've never seen a torque wrench used to put tires on in any mechanics shop or tire place I've ever been to. They all just use the air guns or electric equivalent. There's not some plague of wheels flying off of vehicles from overtightened lugnuts due to using simple air guns.


They might have been using torque sticks and you didn't know it, or you shop for tires at incompetent shops. Yes, I have replaced studs and found loose lug nuts as well because of idiots at Pa State Inspection stations. Of course I always check torque after anyone fooled with my wheels. YMMV





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Off the OP's topic, but if your shop doesn't finish up with a torque wrench, find a more professional shop.

Lug nuts should be checked before EVERY trip and at least every four or five days while traveling.

A 3/4" deep impact socket fits my lugs and my rear stabilizers.


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Posted: 06/08/18 04:15am Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

You don't use a torque wrench to change a tire. You would use it to finish the process.


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If you have aluminum wheels they can be damaged by over torquing.

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Lynnmor wrote:

afidel wrote:



It's obviously NOT that easy as I'm pretty sure I've never seen a torque wrench used to put tires on in any mechanics shop or tire place I've ever been to. They all just use the air guns or electric equivalent. There's not some plague of wheels flying off of vehicles from overtightened lugnuts due to using simple air guns.


They might have been using torque sticks and you didn't know it, or you shop for tires at incompetent shops. Yes, I have replaced studs and found loose lug nuts as well because of idiots at Pa State Inspection stations. Of course I always check torque after anyone fooled with my wheels. YMMV


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When I change a tire at home I use my impact wrench to run the lugs down on a low pressure setting, just enough to snug them up. Then torque with wrench.


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Man, I live dangerously according to this thread!


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Turtle n Peeps wrote:

Man, I live dangerously according to this thread!


Me, too. But then, in my 60 years (more or less) of driving, I have actually had the "doom and gloom" scenario happen. Twice.
The left front wheel fell off of a 1941 Chevy, at low speed, in town (1958). Luckily, no damage (other than a cracked brake drum), and no injuries.
Then, many years later (about 1985), the left rear wheel came loose on a Dodge pickup, but did not fall off. I tightened it up as best I could, then went to the NAPA store in the next town, bought new wheel studs and nuts, and replaced them right there in front of the store.
Both of those wheels were installed by a tire shop, not by me. After I reinstalled them, no more problems.
The only time I have ever used a torque wrench (properly calibrated) was on the aluminum wheels on AMC Eagles.


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Here in Canada, we have to tighten our lug nuts to newton-meters (Nm). After quite a few decades since metrification I have NO flippin' idea what a Nm is. My big and small torque wrenches are in good ol' ft-lbs (or is it lbs-ft.?) - good thing, 'cuz our US made RVs tell us what lug nut torque should be in ft-lbs. Many of our tools here are bilingual, lol.

Having the correct torque on lug nuts is very important as discussed on this website for example.

An interesting demo is to take a few nuts and bolts of various sizes (like 1/4", 3/8", 1/2") and tighten them without a torque wrench and then check with a torque wrench to see how close you were. Most over-tighten and I think by a fair bit.

As a side note, I have no idea what our tire pressure should be anymore - kilopascals. Pffft... [emoticon]

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